Convex Dataset Valuation for Post-Training
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A convex optimization using kernel mean matching in gradient space values auxiliary datasets for LLM post-training by balancing alignment and redundancy.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
We first show that commonly used gradient alignment scores provide a reasonable yet incomplete valuation signal, as they ignore redundancy among datasets. To address this, we propose a scalable convex dataset-level valuation method based on kernel mean matching (KMM) in gradient space, which jointly accounts for alignment with the target task and redundancy across auxiliary datasets. Through extensive experiments across diverse post-training settings and tasks, we show that our approach consistently outperforms existing valuation baselines, achieving stronger performance with low computational overhead.
What carries the argument
Kernel mean matching applied to gradient vectors from the target task, which solves a convex program to find weights that align the auxiliary gradient distribution while adding a redundancy penalty.
Load-bearing premise
Kernel mean matching performed in gradient space will reliably capture and penalize redundancy among auxiliary datasets without introducing new biases or requiring task-specific hyperparameter tuning.
What would settle it
A controlled experiment on a held-out target task in which the KMM-weighted subset, chosen under the same budget, yields lower accuracy than either a pure gradient-alignment selection or a random selection of the same size.
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Improving LLM performance on downstream tasks sometimes requires leveraging auxiliary datasets during post-training. In practice, however, developers face constraints on compute, labeling, and licensing costs that preclude using all available data, necessitating principled dataset-level selection. These constraints are increasingly shaped by dataset marketplaces, where data acquisition is governed by budgets and negotiation. We study dataset valuation as a subset selection problem during LLM post-training. Our goal is to identify and weight auxiliary datasets so as to maximize target task performance given constrained budgets. We first show that commonly used gradient alignment scores provide a reasonable yet incomplete valuation signal, as they ignore redundancy among datasets. To address this, we propose a scalable convex dataset-level valuation method based on kernel mean matching (KMM) in gradient space, which jointly accounts for alignment with the target task and redundancy across auxiliary datasets. Through extensive experiments across diverse post-training settings and tasks, we show that our approach consistently outperforms existing valuation baselines, achieving stronger performance with low computational overhead. Our results position dataset valuation as a practical decision tool for post-training data selection in market-constrained large language model settings. The code is available at https://github.com/uiuctml/convex_data_valuation.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript frames dataset valuation for LLM post-training as a budgeted subset-selection problem. It argues that standard gradient-alignment scores are incomplete because they ignore redundancy among auxiliary datasets, then introduces a convex program that augments gradient inner-product alignment with a kernel mean matching (KMM) penalty on the means of auxiliary datasets in gradient space. The authors report that the resulting weights yield stronger downstream performance than existing valuation baselines across multiple post-training regimes while incurring low computational overhead; code is released.
Significance. If the empirical claims hold, the work supplies a practical, convex, and scalable decision tool for data acquisition under marketplace-style budget and licensing constraints. The public code repository is a clear strength that enables direct reproduction and extension.
major comments (2)
- §3.2 (KMM formulation): the claim that mean-matching in gradient space reliably penalizes functional redundancy rests on the unproven assumption that a fixed kernel (and its bandwidth) produces a discrepancy that is both faithful to the downstream loss and stable under the high-dimensional, noisy gradients of large LLMs. No derivation or sensitivity experiment is supplied showing invariance to these choices; if the assumption fails, the reported gains over pure gradient-alignment baselines could be artifacts of implicit hyperparameter search rather than genuine redundancy accounting.
- Experiments section (Tables 1–4 and associated ablations): the central claim of “consistent outperformance with low overhead” is load-bearing, yet the manuscript provides no quantitative breakdown of how performance varies with kernel bandwidth, gradient checkpointing choices, or model scale. Without these controls, it is impossible to confirm that the KMM term improves selection rather than merely re-expressing existing fitted scores under favorable hyperparameter settings.
minor comments (2)
- Abstract: the statement of results is entirely qualitative; inserting one or two headline numbers (e.g., average accuracy lift and wall-clock overhead) would make the contribution easier to assess at a glance.
- Notation: several symbols in the convex objective (e.g., the precise definition of the kernel bandwidth and the normalization of gradient vectors) are introduced without an explicit reference to their first appearance; a short notation table would improve readability.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their detailed and constructive feedback on our manuscript. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify and strengthen our presentation of the KMM-based dataset valuation method. Below, we address each major comment point by point.
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Referee: §3.2 (KMM formulation): the claim that mean-matching in gradient space reliably penalizes functional redundancy rests on the unproven assumption that a fixed kernel (and its bandwidth) produces a discrepancy that is both faithful to the downstream loss and stable under the high-dimensional, noisy gradients of large LLMs. No derivation or sensitivity experiment is supplied showing invariance to these choices; if the assumption fails, the reported gains over pure gradient-alignment baselines could be artifacts of implicit hyperparameter search rather than genuine redundancy accounting.
Authors: We acknowledge that a complete theoretical derivation linking gradient-space KMM directly to downstream loss invariance is not provided in the current manuscript, as our focus is on the practical convex optimization formulation and empirical validation. However, we do provide justification in §3.2 for why mean matching in gradient space can capture redundancy, building on the fact that gradients reflect the functional behavior of the model. To address the concern about sensitivity to kernel and bandwidth choices, we will add a new subsection with sensitivity experiments varying the bandwidth parameter over a wide range and demonstrate that the performance improvements remain consistent. This will help confirm that the gains are not due to specific hyperparameter tuning. revision: yes
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Referee: Experiments section (Tables 1–4 and associated ablations): the central claim of “consistent outperformance with low overhead” is load-bearing, yet the manuscript provides no quantitative breakdown of how performance varies with kernel bandwidth, gradient checkpointing choices, or model scale. Without these controls, it is impossible to confirm that the KMM term improves selection rather than merely re-expressing existing fitted scores under favorable hyperparameter settings.
Authors: We agree that additional controls and breakdowns would make the empirical claims more robust. In the revised manuscript, we will expand the experiments section to include quantitative ablations on kernel bandwidth, different gradient checkpointing strategies, and results across varying model scales (e.g., from 1B to 7B parameters). These additions will provide a clearer picture of the robustness of the KMM term's contribution. revision: yes
Circularity Check
Convex KMM formulation introduces independent redundancy term without reducing to fitted inputs or self-citations
full rationale
The paper defines dataset valuation as a convex program that augments gradient-alignment scores with a kernel mean matching penalty on auxiliary dataset means in gradient space. No equation or derivation is shown to equate the final weights to a re-expression of the input alignment scores or to a parameter fitted directly to target performance. The KMM term is introduced as an explicit additive penalty rather than derived from the alignment objective itself, and the abstract and described method contain no load-bearing self-citation to prior uniqueness results or ansatzes by the same authors. The derivation therefore remains self-contained as a new optimization construction whose validity rests on the empirical experiments rather than on circular redefinition.
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- domain assumption Gradient alignment scores provide a reasonable yet incomplete valuation signal because they ignore redundancy among datasets
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IndisputableMonolith/Cost/FunctionalEquation.leanwashburn_uniqueness_aczel unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
min_w ½ wᵀKw − λβᵀw where Kij = ⟨gi, gj⟩, βi = ⟨gi, gtar⟩ (Eq. 10); connection to Markowitz mean-variance
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/BranchSelection.leanbranch_selection unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
KMM in gradient space for joint alignment + redundancy penalty; convex QP solved in O(N³)
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Thai 250 Exact Match (Flexible-Extract) G. Data Valuation Baselines G.1. Gradient-based Methods G.1.1. KMM Instead of enforcing the ℓ1 budget constraint w∈ W k, we can incorporate sparsity directly into the objective via an ℓ1 penalty with regularization strength γ >0 . Using the Gram matrix Kij =⟨g i, gj⟩ and alignment vector βi =⟨g i, gtar⟩, we solve th...
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3, non-uniform softmax weighting leads to lower absolute performance for all methods in this setting
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Table 17.Best- k accuracy on Danish under different training budgets. The same valuation scores are used across budgets, and larger budgets move training farther from the local Taylor approximation. Training Steps Random One Step One Step+KMM 0.25×45.69 45.8745.93 0.5×45.80 46.0146.08 2×45.75 45.9745.99 4×45.56 45.8746.01 We note that these results are no...
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