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Learning manifold diffusion semigroups from graph transition matrices

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Pith's one-line read The manifold heat semigroup is approximated by iterating the graph transition matrix with infinity-norm error bounds.

desk verdict Iterating the right-normalized transition matrix approximates the heat semigroup in sup norm and recovers the classical rate, but the non-uniform case requires C^3 density. read the letter →

arxiv 2605.25383 v1 pith:BXHT5ES4 submitted 2026-05-25 stat.ML cs.LGmath.STstat.TH

Xiuyuan Cheng , Nan Wu This is my paper
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keywords graphdiffusionmanifoldlearningheatsemigrouptransitionmatrixconvergenceratenonuniformsamplingkernelconvolution
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This paper establishes that the heat semigroup on a manifold can be learned by repeatedly applying a transition matrix constructed from finite samples on the manifold. The approximation works under minimal assumptions on the function being diffused, even when it is merely bounded, and achieves the expected convergence rate as the number of samples grows. It also extends to new points not in the sample via kernel averaging and accommodates uneven sampling densities through a simple right-normalization step. If correct, this provides a practical way to simulate diffusion processes on unknown manifolds directly from data without first estimating the Laplace-Beltrami operator.

What carries the argument

The graph transition matrix P, obtained from ambient Gaussian kernel affinities on samples, iterated n times to approximate the semigroup at time t.

What would settle it

A numerical experiment where the observed infinity-norm error between iterated P and the true heat semigroup fails to decay like N to the power -2 over (d+6) as sample size N grows on a known manifold.

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Core claim

We show that the manifold heat semigroup Q_t = e^{tΔ} can be approximated directly by iterating the graph transition matrix P, under only low regularity assumptions on the test function f, including the case f ∈ L^∞. We bound ||P^n f - Q_t f|| in ∞-norm and recover the classical graph-Laplacian pointwise rate O(N^{-2/(d+6)}) up to logarithmic factors, for diffusion times t up to O(1) and longer. The rate holds for in-sample error as well as out-of-sample generalization. To handle non-uniform sampling densities, a right-normalization of the graph transition matrix is introduced, under which the same convergence rates hold when the sampling density p is C^3 and bounded away from zero.

Load-bearing premise

The sampling density is three times continuously differentiable and stays bounded away from zero.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • Error bounds hold in the infinity norm for bounded test functions.
  • The same convergence rates apply to out-of-sample points estimated by kernel convolution.
  • Right-normalization allows the rates to hold for non-uniform sampling densities that are C^3 and bounded below.
  • The approximation is valid for diffusion times of constant order and beyond.

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Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • This iteration-based approach might avoid the need for eigendecomposition in manifold diffusion methods.
  • It could be tested on real datasets where the manifold structure is approximately known to verify the rates.
  • The method suggests that transition matrices capture the semigroup even without explicit Laplacian construction.
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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript claims that the manifold heat semigroup Q_t = e^{tΔ} can be approximated directly by iterating the graph transition matrix P constructed from i.i.d. samples on an embedded manifold via ambient Gaussian kernels. It provides ∞-norm bounds on ||P^n f - Q_t f|| under low regularity assumptions on f (including f ∈ L^∞), recovers the classical pointwise rate O(N^{-2/(d+6)}) up to logarithmic factors for diffusion times t up to O(1) and longer, extends the estimator to out-of-sample points via kernel convolution, and shows that right-normalization of P yields the same rates for non-uniform sampling densities when p is C^3 and bounded away from zero. Numerical experiments on simulated data are included to demonstrate performance.

Significance. If the central approximation result and rate recovery hold, the work would contribute a direct semigroup-learning approach from graph transitions that bypasses explicit Laplacian eigen-decomposition, with the ∞-norm control and low-regularity setting on f as notable strengths over typical L^2 analyses. The right-normalized construction for non-uniform densities, when rigorously established, could broaden applicability in manifold learning and diffusion-based methods. The out-of-sample generalization and numerical validation add practical value.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract (final paragraph): The claim that right-normalization recovers the O(N^{-2/(d+6)}) rate for non-uniform sampling relies on the assumption that the sampling density p is C^3 and bounded away from zero; this regularity is invoked to control additional bias terms in the generator approximation step that arise when the sampling measure differs from the volume measure. The manuscript should explicitly identify the sections or lemmas where this C^3 assumption is used and confirm that the rate cannot be recovered without it (or provide a counter-example under weaker regularity).
  2. [Abstract] The abstract states that the operator application to f is 'properly defined' for f ∈ L^∞ and that the ∞-norm bound holds, but without the precise definition of the action of P on L^∞ functions or the statement of the main approximation theorem (including any auxiliary operators such as the normalized kernel or extension operator), the central claim cannot be verified from the provided summary. The full derivation steps or proof sketch for the semigroup iteration bound should be highlighted.
minor comments (2)
  1. The notation for the right-normalized transition matrix (distinct from the standard row-stochastic P) should be introduced with an explicit equation early in the methods section rather than referenced only in the abstract.
  2. The numerical experiments would benefit from reporting the specific manifold dimension d, sample sizes N, and diffusion times t used, along with quantitative error tables comparing to the predicted rate, to facilitate direct comparison with the theoretical claims.

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Thank you for the referee's careful reading and constructive feedback. We address each major comment point by point below.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (final paragraph): The claim that right-normalization recovers the O(N^{-2/(d+6)}) rate for non-uniform sampling relies on the assumption that the sampling density p is C^3 and bounded away from zero; this regularity is invoked to control additional bias terms in the generator approximation step that arise when the sampling measure differs from the volume measure. The manuscript should explicitly identify the sections or lemmas where this C^3 assumption is used and confirm that the rate cannot be recovered without it (or provide a counter-example under weaker regularity).

    Authors: We agree that the C^3 regularity assumption on the sampling density p is required to control the additional bias terms that appear in the generator approximation when the sampling measure is not the volume measure. This assumption enters the analysis in the proof of the main non-uniform result (Theorem 4.2), specifically through the Taylor expansions in Lemmas 4.3 and 4.4 that bound the difference between the right-normalized kernel operator and the manifold Laplacian. We will revise the manuscript to add explicit cross-references to these lemmas both in the abstract and in the introduction. Our analysis shows that the target rate cannot be recovered under weaker regularity on p, because lower-order terms in the bias expansion would then dominate; however, an explicit counter-example under weaker regularity lies outside the scope of the present work. revision: partial

  2. Referee: [Abstract] The abstract states that the operator application to f is 'properly defined' for f ∈ L^∞ and that the ∞-norm bound holds, but without the precise definition of the action of P on L^∞ functions or the statement of the main approximation theorem (including any auxiliary operators such as the normalized kernel or extension operator), the central claim cannot be verified from the provided summary. The full derivation steps or proof sketch for the semigroup iteration bound should be highlighted.

    Authors: The abstract is a concise overview; the precise definitions appear in the body of the manuscript. The action of the transition matrix P on L^∞ functions is defined in Section 2.2 as the integral operator induced by the (right-)normalized kernel, with the out-of-sample extension given in Section 3 via kernel convolution. The central ∞-norm bound is stated as Theorem 3.1. The proof of the iterated semigroup bound proceeds by establishing a one-step generator approximation error that exploits only the L^∞ (or low-regularity) assumption on f, followed by an accumulation argument that controls the n-step error via a discrete Gronwall inequality for diffusion times t up to O(1) and beyond. We will add a short proof-outline paragraph to the introduction to highlight these steps. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; derivation recovers external classical rates under stated assumptions

full rationale

The paper establishes approximation bounds ||P^n f - Q_t f||_∞ for the manifold heat semigroup via graph transition matrix iterations, recovering the known O(N^{-2/(d+6)}) pointwise rate (up to logs) for t = O(1) and longer. This holds for both uniform and non-uniform sampling (via right-normalization of P), with the C^3 + inf p > 0 assumption invoked explicitly to control bias terms and match the uniform case. No quoted equations or steps reduce by construction to self-definitions, fitted parameters renamed as predictions, or load-bearing self-citations; the claims are framed as recovery of external graph-Laplacian results under low-regularity conditions on f (including L^∞). The derivation is self-contained against external benchmarks and does not exhibit any of the enumerated circularity patterns.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 2 assumptions · 0 invented entities

Only the abstract is available, so the full list of background assumptions cannot be audited. The paper relies on standard manifold-learning assumptions (smooth embedded manifold, Gaussian kernel affinity) plus the explicit C^3 density condition for non-uniform sampling.

assumptions (2)
  • domain assumption The manifold is smoothly embedded in Euclidean space and the affinity is given by an ambient Gaussian kernel matrix.
    Stated in the opening sentence of the abstract as the construction of the graph diffusion process.
  • domain assumption The sampling density p is C^3 and bounded away from zero when right-normalization is used.
    Explicitly invoked to obtain the same rates for non-uniform sampling.

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  author       = {Pith},
  title        = {Pith review of: Learning manifold diffusion semigroups from graph transition matrices},
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abstract

We consider graph diffusion processes constructed from finite i.i.d. samples drawn from an unknown manifold embedded in ambient Euclidean space, where the graph affinity is defined by an ambient Gaussian kernel matrix. We show that the manifold heat semigroup $Q_t = e^{t\Delta}$ can be approximated directly by iterating the graph transition matrix $P$, under only low regularity assumptions on the test function $f$, including the case $f \in L^\infty$. We bound $\| P^n f - Q_t f \|$ in $\infty$-norm, with the operator application to $f$ properly defined, and we recover the classical graph-Laplacian pointwise rate $O(N^{-2/(d+6)})$ up to logarithmic factors, for diffusion times $t $ up to $O(1)$ and longer. The rate holds for in-sample error as well as out-of-sample generalization, where the estimator of $Q_t f$ at a new point is defined via kernel convolution. To handle non-uniform sampling densities on the manifold, we introduce a right-normalization of the graph transition matrix; under the assumption that the sampling density $p$ is $C^3$ and bounded away from zero, the same convergence rates hold. We numerically demonstrate the performance of the proposed estimator on simulated data.

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Figure 1
Figure 1. (a) Data samples of 1D curve embedded in R 3 , colored by sampled density p. N = 500. (b) True solutions of Qtf from an initial value f that has discontinuity. (c)(d) Comparison of the estimated Qtf with the ground truth, at different values of σ (and n). Ht true 0 0.2 0.4 0.6 ˆHt 0 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 (a) (b) (c) [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p029_1.png] view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Heat kernel estimator on S 2 using N = 1000 data points sampled non-uniformly. The estimator Hˆn is as in Section 3.3. Qtf from discontinuous f The manifold M is a closed 1D curve embedded in R 3 , sampled at N = 500 data points from a non-uniform density p [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p029_2.png] view at source ↗

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