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arxiv: 2605.28735 · v1 · pith:TBQ6N4PDnew · submitted 2026-05-27 · 💻 cs.CV

SeeGroup: Multi-Layer Depth Estimation of Transparent Surfaces via Self-Determined Grouping

Hongyu Wen , Jia Deng This is my paper

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keywords multi-layer depth estimationtransparent surfacespoint processpermutation-invariant likelihoodself-determined groupingLayeredDepth benchmarkcomputer vision
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The pith

SeeGroup models multi-layer depth for transparent objects as unordered events in a point process, allowing the model to choose its own groupings without a fixed front-to-back order.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

Transparent objects require recovering multiple depths along each camera ray, such as the front surface and the scene behind it. Prior methods extend single-layer predictors by enforcing a sequential front-to-back ordering of layers, yet many scenes admit several equally valid ways to assign points to layers. SeeGroup instead treats the observed depths as unordered events in a point process along each ray. The resulting permutation-invariant likelihood produces a training loss that accepts any valid grouping the network discovers. This change raises quadruplet relative depth accuracy on the LayeredDepth benchmark from 61.34 percent to 70.09 percent.

Core claim

The central claim is that per-pixel multi-layer depth can be cast as a point process in which depth layers are unordered events along each camera ray. This formulation induces a permutation-invariant likelihood over the observed layers and therefore a loss that naturally accommodates arbitrary groupings rather than requiring any predefined ordering strategy.

What carries the argument

Point-process formulation that treats depth layers as unordered events along each camera ray, yielding a permutation-invariant likelihood.

If this is right

  • The network can assign surfaces to depth maps adaptively rather than following a rigid ordering.
  • Any valid grouping of 3D points into layers is admissible during both training and inference.
  • Quadruplet relative depth accuracy on LayeredDepth rises from 61.34% to 70.09%.
  • The approach removes the inherent restrictiveness of sequential front-to-back layer prediction.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same point-process construction could be tested on other estimation tasks where the number of output entities is variable and ordering is arbitrary.
  • If the permutation-invariant loss proves stable across domains, it may simplify training pipelines that currently rely on hand-crafted ordering heuristics.
  • Robotic perception systems that must handle transparent or reflective surfaces may gain from the removal of grouping assumptions.

Load-bearing premise

Treating depth layers as unordered events in a point process along each ray produces a permutation-invariant likelihood that correctly supports arbitrary valid groupings without introducing bias or instability in training.

What would settle it

A controlled test set of transparent scenes that admit multiple equally valid layer groupings, on which the SeeGroup loss either produces lower accuracy than a fixed-order baseline or fails to train stably.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.28735 by Hongyu Wen, Jia Deng.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Definition of multi-layer depth. Figure reproduced from [ [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Two example grouping strategies to group multi-layer [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: The overall pipeline of SeeGroup. Starting from a feature map extracted by a backbone encoder, a recurrent decomposition [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Qualitative results on LayeredDepth benchmark. Our method produce sharper results with less artifacts. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Qualitative results on LayeredDepth-Syn validation set. Our model produces smooth, coherent background layers. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Additional qualitative results on LayeredDepth. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_6.png] view at source ↗
read the original abstract

Transparent objects are common in daily life, and it is important to understand their multilayer depth, including the transparent surface and the objects behind it. Existing methods for multilayer depth typically extend single-layer prediction. They define layers by the front-to-back ordering of 3D points and predict the layers sequentially. However, as layered geometry can admit multiple valid groupings of 3D points into layers, a predefined grouping strategy is inherently restrictive. In this work, we propose SeeGroup, a multi-layer depth estimation method that avoids imposing a predefined grouping and allows the model itself to adaptively assign surfaces to depth maps. We formulate per-pixel multi-layer depth as a point process, treating depth layers as unordered events along each camera ray. This induces a permutation-invariant likelihood over the observed depth layers, yielding a loss that naturally supports arbitrary layer groupings. Experiments demonstrate that our method significantly advances the state of the art of multi-layer depth estimation, improving quadruplet relative depth accuracy on LayeredDepth benchmark from 61.34% to 70.09%. Code is available at https://github.com/princeton-vl/SeeGroup.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 3 minor

Summary. The paper proposes SeeGroup, a multi-layer depth estimation method for transparent surfaces that models per-pixel depths along each camera ray as an unordered point process. This yields a permutation-invariant likelihood and loss function that supports arbitrary valid groupings without imposing a predefined front-to-back ordering. The central empirical claim is an improvement in quadruplet relative depth accuracy on the LayeredDepth benchmark from 61.34% to 70.09%.

Significance. If the reported gain is attributable to the point-process formulation rather than ancillary implementation choices, the work would offer a principled alternative to sequential layer prediction, addressing a recognized limitation in handling multiple valid groupings of transparent surfaces. The availability of code strengthens reproducibility.

major comments (2)
  1. [§3] §3 (Method): The derivation of the permutation-invariant likelihood from the point-process model is presented at a high level; it is unclear whether the resulting loss remains stable under varying numbers of layers or introduces bias toward certain groupings during optimization. A concrete expansion with the explicit likelihood expression and training objective is needed to confirm it correctly supports arbitrary groupings.
  2. [§4] §4 (Experiments): The 8.75-point absolute gain on quadruplet relative depth accuracy is reported without ablations that isolate the contribution of the self-determined grouping (e.g., comparison against the same backbone with a fixed ordering loss). This makes it difficult to attribute the improvement to the claimed formulation rather than other factors.
minor comments (3)
  1. The abstract and introduction would benefit from a brief statement of the exact point-process intensity function and how the likelihood is normalized.
  2. Figure 2 (qualitative results) lacks error maps or per-layer visualizations that would illustrate the adaptive grouping behavior.
  3. Training details (optimizer, learning-rate schedule, number of layers sampled during training) are referenced but not fully specified in the main text; they should be expanded or clearly cross-referenced to the supplement.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

2 responses · 0 unresolved

We thank the referee for the positive assessment and the recommendation for minor revision. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript accordingly to improve clarity and strengthen the empirical attribution.

read point-by-point responses

  1. Referee: [§3] §3 (Method): The derivation of the permutation-invariant likelihood from the point-process model is presented at a high level; it is unclear whether the resulting loss remains stable under varying numbers of layers or introduces bias toward certain groupings during optimization. A concrete expansion with the explicit likelihood expression and training objective is needed to confirm it correctly supports arbitrary groupings.

    Authors: We agree that an explicit derivation will improve clarity. In the revision we will add the full likelihood expression for the unordered point process along each ray, followed by the resulting permutation-invariant loss. Because the formulation treats layers as an unordered set of events, the likelihood is invariant to any reordering of the observed depths; this property holds for any number of layers and does not introduce ordering bias. We will also include a short stability analysis across layer cardinalities. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [§4] §4 (Experiments): The 8.75-point absolute gain on quadruplet relative depth accuracy is reported without ablations that isolate the contribution of the self-determined grouping (e.g., comparison against the same backbone with a fixed ordering loss). This makes it difficult to attribute the improvement to the claimed formulation rather than other factors.

    Authors: We acknowledge the value of an isolated ablation. While the main experiments already compare against prior sequential-layer methods that enforce fixed ordering, we will add a controlled ablation that replaces only the loss function (permutation-invariant vs. fixed-order) on the identical backbone and training schedule. This will directly quantify the contribution of the point-process formulation. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity identified

full rationale

The paper's derivation centers on modeling per-ray depths as an unordered point process to induce a permutation-invariant likelihood, presented as a modeling choice that supports arbitrary groupings without predefined ordering. This is not equivalent to its inputs by construction, nor does it reduce via fitted parameters renamed as predictions or self-citation chains. The reported accuracy gain (61.34% to 70.09%) is framed as an empirical benchmark outcome on LayeredDepth, with no load-bearing self-citations, ansatz smuggling, or renaming of known results visible in the abstract or described approach. The method is self-contained against external benchmarks.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

Abstract-only review supplies no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities; the modeling choice of point-process likelihood is a methodological decision rather than a new postulated entity.

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