Stellar Obliquities of Young Systems, Atmospheres Undergoing Contraction and Escape (SOYSAUCE) II: a 135 Myr planet on an aligned orbit with transit timing variations
Pith reviewed 2026-06-27 14:42 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
A 3.6 Earth-radius planet at 135 million years old shows a near-aligned orbit around its star.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
TIC 150070085 b is consistent with a near-aligned orbit with its host star (|λ| = 18 +/- 12°), in line with similarly aged transiting planets with measured λ values. The host star is confirmed as a member of Alessi 84, whose age is updated to 135 +/- 10 Myr from combined CMD, rotation, and variability properties.
What carries the argument
The Rossiter-McLaughlin signal measured with MAROON-X, which determines the sky-projected obliquity angle λ by tracking the distortion of stellar spectral lines during transit.
If this is right
- Planets in the 100-500 Myr range can have obliquities measured even with active host stars.
- Alignment at this age is consistent with the pattern seen in other young transiting planets.
- Transit timing variations can help confirm additional planets in young systems near mean-motion resonance.
- More systems in this age window are needed to trace how spin-orbit angles evolve from formation to Gyr ages.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The 3:2 resonance proximity and TTVs suggest the two planets interact dynamically, which could influence long-term obliquity evolution.
- If additional young planets are found aligned, models of disk migration or early tidal damping would need to explain why misalignment is rare before 500 Myr.
- Independent verification of the cluster membership or age through other indicators such as lithium abundance would test the youth classification used here.
Load-bearing premise
The host star is a confirmed member of Alessi 84 whose age can be reliably updated to 135 +/- 10 Myr from the group's combined CMD, rotation, and variability properties.
What would settle it
A follow-up Rossiter-McLaughlin observation that measures |λ| greater than 40 degrees with an uncertainty below 10 degrees would show the orbit is not near-aligned.
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read the original abstract
Young planets (<1 Gyr) provide opportunities to directly probe planet formation and evolution processes in action. However, due to heightened stellar activity, there is a lack of known transiting planets in adolescence (~100-500 Myr). Here we present the validation of TIC 150070085 b, a 3.6 R_E planet on a 10.47 day orbit, and report the candidate TIC 150070085 c, a 3.0 R_E planet on a 15.90 day orbit. While we are unable to validate the second signal, the proximity to mean motion resonance (3:2) and transit timing variations observed in the transits of TIC 150070085 b strongly suggest the signal is planetary. We confirm the host star as a member of Alessi 84 and combine the group's CMD, rotation, and variability properties to update the age to 135 +/- 10 Myr. We additionally use MAROON-X to observe the Rossiter-McLaughlin signal of TIC 150070085 b and measure the sky projected obliquity angle ($\lambda$). We find TIC 150070085 b is consistent with a near-aligned orbit with its host star (|$\lambda$| = 18 +/- 12$^\circ$), in line with similarly aged transiting planets with measured $\lambda$ values. Continued discovery and characterization of planets in this age regime are vital to link planetary infancy (<50 Myr) and maturity (>1 Gyr).
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript validates TIC 150070085 b (3.6 R_E, P=10.47 d) as a transiting planet, reports a candidate second planet (TIC 150070085 c) whose 3:2 near-resonance and TTVs on b support a planetary interpretation, confirms the host as an Alessi 84 member, updates the cluster age to 135 ± 10 Myr by combining CMD, rotation, and variability data, and measures the sky-projected obliquity via MAROON-X Rossiter-McLaughlin observations yielding |λ| = 18 ± 12°, consistent with other young transiting planets.
Significance. If the membership confirmation and age revision hold, the result supplies a rare obliquity measurement in the 100-500 Myr regime, directly linking the <50 Myr and >1 Gyr populations and testing whether alignment is already established by ~135 Myr.
major comments (1)
- [age determination paragraph] Age determination paragraph: the update of Alessi 84 to 135 ± 10 Myr by combining CMD, rotation periods, and variability is presented without quantitative membership probabilities, explicit weighting of the three indicators, or robustness checks against alternate isochrones or field contamination; because this age anchors both the 'young' classification and the comparative statement with other λ measurements, the central claim is load-bearing on this section.
minor comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the notation |λ| = 18 +/- 12° should be written with consistent uncertainty formatting and a brief statement of the RM model assumptions.
- [Abstract] The TTV interpretation for the candidate c is asserted from proximity to 3:2 resonance and observed timing variations, but no amplitude, period, or dynamical stability analysis is referenced in the provided abstract.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their careful review and constructive feedback. We address the single major comment below and will revise the manuscript to strengthen the age determination section as requested.
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Referee: [age determination paragraph] Age determination paragraph: the update of Alessi 84 to 135 ± 10 Myr by combining CMD, rotation periods, and variability is presented without quantitative membership probabilities, explicit weighting of the three indicators, or robustness checks against alternate isochrones or field contamination; because this age anchors both the 'young' classification and the comparative statement with other λ measurements, the central claim is load-bearing on this section.
Authors: We agree that the age determination is central to the paper and that the current presentation would benefit from greater quantitative rigor. In the revised manuscript we will add quantitative membership probabilities for TIC 150070085, provide an explicit description of how the CMD, rotation, and variability indicators are weighted and combined, and include robustness checks using alternate isochrones together with an assessment of field contamination. These additions will be incorporated without changing the reported age value. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity; age update and obliquity measurement are independent empirical steps
full rationale
The paper updates the age of Alessi 84 to 135 ± 10 Myr by combining the group's CMD, rotation periods, and variability properties after confirming membership, then reports a direct Rossiter-McLaughlin measurement of λ = 18 ± 12° for the planet. Neither step reduces to a self-definition, fitted input renamed as prediction, or self-citation chain; the age relies on standard stellar indicators applied to the group, and λ is extracted from spectroscopic data without equations that loop back to the reported values by construction. The comparative statement with other young planets draws on external literature values. The derivation chain remains self-contained against external benchmarks with no load-bearing reductions to inputs.
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