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A large deviation principle for local wave interactions characterizes spectrum fluctuations and long-range correlations in weak wave turbulence.

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arxiv 2606.12624 v1 pith:RDT3LEHP submitted 2026-06-10 physics.flu-dyn cond-mat.stat-mech

Dynamical large deviations and long-range correlations for local weak wave turbulence

Brice Douet , Freddy Bouchet This is my paper
classification physics.flu-dyn cond-mat.stat-mech
keywords wave turbulencelarge deviation principlelong-range correlationsmacroscopic fluctuation theoryKolmogorov-Zakharov spectraintermittencyGaussian fluctuationsfixed-flux boundaries
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The paper derives a large deviation principle for local wave interactions that fully characterizes both typical and rare fluctuations of the wave spectrum. This extends the classical kinetic equation by providing a probabilistic description of space-time trajectories. Using a generalized macroscopic fluctuation theory with two conserved quantities, the work obtains long-range correlations in Gaussian fluctuations around out-of-equilibrium spectra, decomposed into equilibrium, bulk-flux, and forcing-driven contributions. The approach is adapted to boundary conditions with only fluxes fixed and suggests a mechanism for instability of Kolmogorov-Zakharov spectra in certain inhomogeneous models.

Core claim

For local wave interactions, a new large deviation principle characterizes typical and rare fluctuations of the spectrum. In addition to the equilibrium contribution, long-range correlations in Gaussian fluctuations around out-of-equilibrium spectra arise from three sources: one driven by the flux in the bulk and another by the forcing and its fluctuations. These are computed using a generalized form of macroscopic fluctuation theory with two conserved quantities, adapted to fixed-flux boundary conditions. Generalization to inhomogeneous wave turbulence may explain the instability of Kolmogorov-Zakharov spectra in some one-dimensional models with four-wave interactions.

What carries the argument

The large deviation principle for space-time trajectories of the wave spectrum under local interactions, derived via a generalized Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory with two conserved quantities (mass and energy).

Load-bearing premise

Wave interactions are assumed local in wavenumber space, which simplifies the large deviation theory into a usable form for predictions.

What would settle it

A direct numerical simulation of a local-interaction wave turbulence model that measures two-point correlations around a non-equilibrium spectrum and finds no evidence of the three predicted long-range contributions.

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Summary. The manuscript develops a large deviation principle (LDP) for local weak wave turbulence, simplifying prior theories for qualitative and numerical predictions of spectrum fluctuations. It applies a generalized Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory with two conserved quantities (mass and energy), obtained in a joint article, to derive the structure of Gaussian fluctuations around out-of-equilibrium spectra. Long-range correlations are decomposed into three contributions (equilibrium, bulk-flux driven, and forcing/fluctuation driven) and computed using a method adapted to flux-fixed boundary conditions. Implications for inhomogeneous turbulence, Kolmogorov-Zakharov spectrum instability in 1D 4-wave models, and intermittency are discussed.

Significance. If the results hold, the work supplies a replicable probabilistic framework for typical and rare fluctuations in wave turbulence beyond the kinetic equation, with a novel adaptation to flux-fixed boundaries and a decomposition of correlations that could clarify universal versus non-universal properties. The suggested link to instabilities in models such as Majda-McLaughlin-Tabak offers a possible route to understanding intermittency.

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  1. [Abstract] Abstract (paragraph on joint article): the analysis of Gaussian fluctuations and the decomposition into three long-range correlation contributions rests on the generalized Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory with two conserved quantities obtained in the joint article. Without the companion derivations or explicit cross-references to its key equations, the present claims reduce to quantities defined externally, creating a load-bearing circularity that prevents independent verification of the LDP and correlation results.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract (claims on new LDP and boundary adaptation): the manuscript asserts a new LDP for local interactions that 'fully characterizes' fluctuations and that the three contributions are 'computed for the first time' with a flux-fixed method, yet no derivation steps, error estimates, or verification are supplied in the available text. These are central to the paper's main claims and require explicit support within this manuscript's scope.

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We thank the referee for their positive evaluation of the work's significance and for the detailed comments, which help improve the manuscript's clarity and self-containment. We address the two major comments point by point below.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (paragraph on joint article): the analysis of Gaussian fluctuations and the decomposition into three long-range correlation contributions rests on the generalized Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory with two conserved quantities obtained in the joint article. Without the companion derivations or explicit cross-references to its key equations, the present claims reduce to quantities defined externally, creating a load-bearing circularity that prevents independent verification of the LDP and correlation results.

    Authors: We agree that the presentation would benefit from greater self-containment. The generalized Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory with two conserved quantities is developed in the companion paper, while the large deviation principle for local interactions is derived in the present manuscript. In the revised version we will add explicit cross-references to the key equations of the companion paper (specifically the form of the rate functional, the fluctuation equations, and the two-conserved-quantity structure) at the points where they are invoked in Sections 4 and 5. This will allow independent verification of the Gaussian-fluctuation analysis and the three-term decomposition without requiring immediate consultation of the companion work. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (claims on new LDP and boundary adaptation): the manuscript asserts a new LDP for local interactions that 'fully characterizes' fluctuations and that the three contributions are 'computed for the first time' with a flux-fixed method, yet no derivation steps, error estimates, or verification are supplied in the available text. These are central to the paper's main claims and require explicit support within this manuscript's scope.

    Authors: The derivation of the local-interaction LDP is given in Sections 2–3, starting from the microscopic wave dynamics and arriving at the explicit rate function; the flux-fixed adaptation and the three-contribution decomposition are carried out in Sections 5–6. We acknowledge, however, that additional intermediate algebraic steps, a brief error-estimate discussion, and a verification against the equilibrium limit would make these central claims easier to follow. In the revision we will expand the relevant passages accordingly while preserving the manuscript's focus on qualitative and numerical predictions. revision: partial

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  1. self citation load bearing [Abstract]
    "In a joint article, we obtain a theory which is a generalised form of Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory, but with 2 conserved quantities (mass and energy). In this paper, we use it to analyse the structure of the equation for Gaussian fluctuations around out-of-equilibrium spectra."

    The paper's analysis of the equation for Gaussian fluctuations, decomposition into three contributions to long-range correlations, and adaptation to flux-fixed boundaries is performed using the generalized MFT from the joint article. The central claims therefore rest on quantities and structure defined in the overlapping-authors companion work rather than being independently derived or verified within this manuscript.

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The paper's central analysis of Gaussian fluctuations, long-range correlations, and flux-fixed boundaries explicitly invokes a generalized Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory derived in a joint article. This matches the self-citation load-bearing pattern because the present derivations use that theory as the foundation for decomposing contributions and adapting to boundary conditions, with no independent derivation or external verification supplied here. The abstract directly states the reliance, making the load-bearing step reducible to the companion work. No other patterns (self-definitional, fitted predictions, etc.) are exhibited in the supplied text.

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The framework rests on prior large-deviation theories for wave turbulence and on a joint-article generalization of Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory; no free parameters or new entities are explicitly introduced in the abstract.

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  • domain assumption Wave interactions are local, permitting a simplified large deviation principle usable for qualitative and numerical predictions.
    Explicitly stated as the case considered for the new large deviation principle.
  • domain assumption A generalized Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory with two conserved quantities (mass and energy) exists and applies to the Gaussian fluctuation analysis.
    Invoked via the joint article to analyze structure of the equation for Gaussian fluctuations.

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Wave turbulence describes the statistical dynamics of dispersive waves with weakly nonlinear interactions. While the classical kinetic equation captures the mean evolution of the wave spectrum, the study of its fluctuations due to finite-size effects and intermittency requires a probabilistic framework for space-time trajectories of the spectrum dynamics. Following the previous large deviation theories for wave turbulence, we develop a simplification meant for qualitative and numerical predictions of measurable quantities. We derive a new large deviation principle in the case of local wave interactions. It fully characterizes typical and rare fluctuations of the spectrum. In a joint article, we obtain a theory which is a generalised form of Macroscopic Fluctuation Theory, but with 2 conserved quantities (mass and energy). In this paper, we use it to analyse the structure of the equation for Gaussian fluctuations around out-of-equilibrium spectra. In addition to the usual equilibrium contribution, we obtain long-range correlations, which can be decomposed into 3 contributions: one is driven by the flux in the bulk and another is driven by the forcing and its possible fluctuations. In addition, these contributions are computed for the first time with a method adapted to boundary conditions where only the fluxes are fixed. The results provide a general, replicable method for analyzing wave turbulence in more complex settings. Finally, the generalization of this theory to the inhomogeneous wave turbulence provides a possible explanation to the instability of the Kolmogorov-Zakharov spectra in some 1D inhomogeneous models with 4-wave interactions such as the Majda-McLaughlin-Tabak. This work opens the discussion regarding universal and non universal properties in two-point correlation functions. This opens new range of study on the phenomena of intermittency which is partially developed here.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.12624 by Brice Douet, Freddy Bouchet.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Numerical resolution for the flux-driven long-range correlations in wave turbulence model with fixed-flux boundary conditions In this figure, we show the numerical solutions for the flux-driven long-range correlations B for wave turbulence (symlog color scale) with the method explained in paragraph 3.1.1. An arbitrary choice of parameters (exponent s = 7 and an inertial range [ωmin, ωmax] with ωmin/ωmax = … view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Evolution of the convergence indicator and mass indicator with dissipation rates τN , τE In this figure, we show the evolution of convergence index c (B), the mass index m (B) (top figure (a)) as well as the energy index e (B) (bottom figure (b)) with τN (τE is chosen equal to τN for simplicity, although these two parameters could be chosen independently). The blue dotted vertical lines represent the value… view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: Numerical resolution for the flux-driven long-range correlations in wave turbulence model with fixed-density boundary conditions In this figure, we show the solution of the method explained in paragraph 3.1.1 with null boundary conditions for B. The color scale is in log scale. The figure (a) (resp. (b)) corresponds to Gaussian fluctuations computed around the Kolmogorov-Zakharov spectrum with an energy cu… view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Stationary spectra (a) infinite inertial range with only energy current jE, corresponding to configuration 1) (b) forcing in the bulk and dissipation near boundaries, with zero boundary currents, corresponding to config￾uration 3) (c) forcing in the bulk with nonzero boundary currents jN , jE, corresponding to configuration 2). On all graphs, the blue curve represents the stationary solution for the spectr… view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Convergence monitoring for configuration 2) In this figure, we show the successive time scale N ∂tN as a function of ω. The different curves correspond to different times in the simulation. It starts in the purple-blue colours and turn orange-red at the end. We observe that the time scale N ∂tN grows and becomes large for all the values of ω. It stabilizes, probably due to numerical errors causing that the… view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Fluxes In this figure, we show the currents jN , jE computed numerically as a function of ω at the end of the simulation. The the orange curve is the wave action current jN multiplied by ω, the blue one represents the energy current jE. The red curve is K = jE − ωjN (numerically computed). Eventually, the dotted black curve represents the theoretical value for K = jE − ωjN , estimated by the fact that in i… view at source ↗

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