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TF shifts make multiuser Zak-OTFS uplink channels nearly independent, so each user’s IOR can be estimated like a single-user problem with superimposed spread pilots.
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load-bearing objection Solid multiuser Zak-OTFS extension: closed-form heterogeneous channels, quantitative IUI decoupling, and filter-dependent SE comparison of superimposed vs embedded pilots. the 2 major comments →
Multiuser Zak-OTFS on the Uplink with Superimposed Spread-Pilots
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Under TF-shift multiple access the multiuser Zak-OTFS uplink decouples: residual inter-user interference is negligible, so each user’s effective channel and input-output relation can be estimated independently with a superimposed spread-pilot and a dictionary-based iterative algorithm, recovering essentially single-user NMSE and BER; for sinc pulses the same frame also yields higher spectral efficiency than the conventional embedded pilot.
What carries the argument
TF-shift multiple access together with the closed-form effective channel heff,u,v: a phase term in each user’s transmit filter places users in non-overlapping TF supports; the resulting heff,u,v expressions prove that the off-user terms are strongly attenuated, reducing the multiuser estimation problem to independent single-user subproblems that are solved by an iterative DD-dictionary algorithm driven by an FFT-of-Zadoff-Chu spread pilot.
Load-bearing premise
That the TF supports stay sufficiently non-overlapping after realistic pulse shaping and channel dispersion so residual inter-user interference remains small enough for the dictionary estimator to ignore it.
What would settle it
Measure the actual SIR at one user’s receiver when another user transmits at ten times the power under the same TF-shift allocation and pulse shapes; if SIR falls well below the reported 15 dB (Gaussian) / 28 dB (sinc) levels, or if multiuser NMSE diverges from single-user NMSE, the decoupling claim fails.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper studies the uplink of a multiuser Zak-OTFS system with heterogeneous DD periods/frame sizes. Multiple access is realized by TF shifts that place users in non-overlapping TF regions. Closed-form expressions are derived for the effective DD-domain channel heff,u,v and the noise covariance under both sinc and Gaussian pulse shaping (Eqs. 17–20 and Appendices A–B). These expressions are used to show that IUI is negligible, decoupling multiuser IOR estimation into independent single-user problems. A superimposed spread-pilot (FFT of a reshaped Zadoff–Chu sequence) is employed together with a DD-dictionary iterative estimator that alternates between path-gain estimation and data detection (Algorithm 1). Simulations for a four-user heterogeneous allocation demonstrate that multiuser NMSE and BER essentially match the corresponding single-user baselines, that the superimposed frame yields higher spectral efficiency than an embedded-pilot frame for the sinc pulse across a wide range of inter-user power ratios, and that the reverse holds for the Gaussian pulse because of residual IUI plus pilot-data interference. Robustness to Veh-A/TDL-A/TDL-C profiles and to maximum Doppler is also reported.
Significance. If the claims hold, the work supplies a concrete, low-overhead multiuser extension of Zak-OTFS that preserves the crystalline-regime predictability of the single-user IOR while accommodating heterogeneous numerology—an important practical requirement for high-mobility 6G scenarios. The closed-form multiuser channel and noise expressions (which correctly specialize to the known single-user formulas of [17]) and the quantitative SIR evidence for IUI negligibility are reusable building blocks. The spectral-efficiency comparison between superimposed and embedded pilots, together with the explicit explanation of the Gaussian-filter reversal, gives clear design guidance. The iterative dictionary estimator is shown to approach perfect-CSI performance with modest complexity that scales linearly with the number of users because of the decoupling.
major comments (2)
- [Sec. IV-B and Fig. 4] The central decoupling claim rests on residual IUI remaining negligible after realistic pulse shaping and multipath dispersion. While Fig. 4 (noise-free SIR) and the multiuser-versus-single-user overlays in Figs. 6–7 support the claim for the specific four-user TF allocation of Table I / Fig. 5 and the Veh-A/TDL channels of Sec. V, the manuscript does not quantify how close the TF supports may approach each other before the SIR falls below the level needed for the dictionary estimator to remain accurate. A short additional experiment (or analytic bound derived from Eqs. 17–18) that varies the guard gap between TF supports would make the operating region of the claim fully explicit.
- [Sec. V-C, Eq. (34)] Spectral-efficiency comparisons (Fig. 8 and Fig. 9) fix PDR = 0 dB and use a particular guard-region size for the embedded pilot. Because both the pilot-data interference of the superimposed frame and the residual IUI of the Gaussian filter depend on these parameters, a brief sensitivity sweep (or an explicit statement that the reported crossover is robust for PDR in a stated interval) would strengthen the design recommendation that “sinc prefers superimposed, Gaussian prefers embedded.”
minor comments (4)
- [Sec. V] The definition of data SNR (DSNR = Ed/(N0 MN)) appears only in the text of Sec. V; placing it in a notation table or early in Sec. V would aid readability.
- [Sec. IV-A] Fig. 3 shows PAPR CCDF for a single user; a multiuser PAPR comparison (or a short remark that the PAPR advantage survives the TF-shift superposition) would complete the practical-advantage discussion begun in Remark 2.
- [Throughout] Typographical inconsistencies appear in a few places (e.g., “spetral efficiency”, “V eh-A”, occasional missing spaces around operators). A careful proof-reading pass is recommended.
- [Sec. V, Algorithm 1] The convergence threshold η = 10^{-3} and Tmax = 15 are stated without a short justification or plot of residual versus iteration; a single sentence or inset would suffice.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; closed-form multiuser IOR expressions, IUI negligibility, and SE comparisons are independently derived and simulated rather than forced by prior self-citations.
full rationale
The paper generalizes single-user closed-forms from the authors' prior work [17] to the multiuser heterogeneous setting (Eqs. 17–18 and Appendices A–B), re-derives the effective channels under TF shifts, and then uses those expressions plus new Monte-Carlo experiments (Figs. 4, 6–11) to establish IUI negligibility and the SE ranking of superimposed versus embedded pilots. The TF-shift multiple-access construction itself is taken from the authors' concurrent arXiv [23], but the present claims (decoupling, NMSE/BER matching single-user, filter-dependent SE reversal) do not reduce by construction to any equation or uniqueness statement in [23]; they are new calculations and measurements. Free parameters (ατ = αν = 1.584, sτ = sν = 2, PDR = 0 dB) are stated design choices held fixed, never fitted and then re-presented as predictions. No self-definitional loop, no fitted-input-as-prediction, and no load-bearing uniqueness theorem imported from the authors appear. The modest self-citation footprint therefore does not elevate the circularity score above 1.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (4)
- α_τ = α_ν =
1.584
- PDR (pilot-to-data power ratio) =
0 dB
- s_τ,u = s_ν,u (dictionary discretization) =
2
- T_max, η (iteration limits) =
15 / 1e-3
axioms (4)
- standard math Zak transform and twisted convolution identities that convert DD-domain filtering into the continuous-time signal model
- domain assumption Crystallization condition (delay period > delay spread, Doppler period > Doppler spread) guaranteeing a predictable non-fading IOR
- domain assumption Doubly-dispersive channel as a finite sum of discrete paths with gains, delays and Dopplers drawn from Veh-A / TDL profiles
- domain assumption TF-shift phase term places users in non-overlapping TF support regions so that heff,u,v for v≠u is strongly attenuated
read the original abstract
In this paper, we consider the uplink of a multiuser Zak-OTFS system comprising users with heterogeneous delay-Doppler (DD) periods/frame sizes. Multiple access is achieved through time-frequency (TF) shifts that place the users in non-overlapping regions of the TF plane. Closed-form expressions for the effective DD domain channel between each user and the base station are derived for sinc and Gaussian pulse shaping filters. The inter-user interference (IUI) is shown to be negligible under the TF-shift-based multiple access, thereby decoupling the multiuser input-output relation (IOR) estimation problem into independent single-user estimation problems. For IOR estimation, a superimposed spread-pilot framework is employed. The spread-pilot sequence is obtained by applying FFT to a reshaped Zadoff-Chu sequence. To mitigate the pilot-data interference introduced by the superimposed spread-pilot, a DD dictionary-based IOR estimation scheme that iterates between IOR estimation and data detection is employed. Simulation results for a multiuser Zak-OTFS system demonstrate that the resulting IOR estimates achieve normalized mean-square error (NMSE) and bit error rate (BER) performances that closely match those of the corresponding single-user system. Furthermore, for sinc pulse shaping, the superimposed spread-pilot frame achieves higher spectral-efficiency compared to embedded pilot frame across a wide range of inter-user power ratios. For Gaussian pulse shaping, however, the embedded pilot frame achieves a higher spectral efficiency due to the combined effects of residual IUI and significant pilot-data interference in the case of superimposed spread-pilot. The robustness of the estimation framework to variations in channel power-delay profile and maximum Doppler shift is also demonstrated.
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