REVIEW 4 major objections 6 minor 28 references
Saliency maps that keep only the pixels needed to preserve a model's output beat sensitivity maps on faithfulness.
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load-bearing objection Clean modular sufficiency saliency with competitive deletion numbers; the three-way self-composite is a real soft spot for the sufficiency claim, but not a collapse of the paper. the 4 major comments →
What Pixels Are Enough? SEAMS: Sufficiency Saliency via MSE-Preservation Soft-Masks
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
A single soft-mask optimisation that minimises MSE preservation of a chosen differentiable model output, under a learnable budget and a three-way composite made only from the query image, yields compact sufficiency saliency that is competitive on faithfulness benchmarks and modular across targets and architectures.
What carries the argument
SEAMS: unconstrained logits turned into a soft mask by softplus, mean-normalisation with learnable budget α, and clip; the mask drives a three-way composite (original, heavyAug distractor, blur) whose augmented forward pass is matched in MSE to the fixed original target.
Load-bearing premise
That low preservation error under the paper’s self-made blur-and-distractor fill really means the kept pixels are enough for the model, rather than the fill still leaking usable context.
What would settle it
Re-evaluate the same optimised masks with a pure grey (or pure noise) fill that removes all non-mask context: if preservation fidelity collapses while insertion/deletion rankings stay high only under the training fill, the sufficiency claim fails for that composite.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper proposes SEAMS, a post-hoc sufficiency saliency method that optimises a continuous soft mask so a frozen differentiable model output (class probability, CLS embedding, or dense tokens) is preserved under a three-way composite built only from the query image (original content, self-augmented distractor, and heavy blur). Masks are parameterised by unconstrained logits transformed via softplus, mean-normalisation, and clipping with a learnable budget α, and trained with an MSE preservation loss plus an α penalty, without auxiliary distractor datasets or differentiable top-k. Experiments on ViT and ConvNeXt families report competitive insertion/deletion AUCs, strong ascending pixel-deletion faithfulness versus DAVE/LeGrad and gradient baselines, multi-target explanations from one pipeline, low cross-architecture mask agreement at similar fidelity, and a qualitative transfer demo on private ROP fundus images.
Significance. If the sufficiency interpretation is made rigorous, the work is a useful and practical contribution to visual explanation: a single, architecture-agnostic optimisation loop that switches among object-level, class-conditioned, and token-level targets, needs no external reference set, and yields compact nearly-binary masks competitive on standard faithfulness benchmarks. The cross-architecture finding—that different backbones can preserve similar outputs with largely disjoint pixel sets—is a concrete, falsifiable observation that sensitivity methods do not naturally surface. Strengths include modular targets, a simple normalise-and-clip sparsity mechanism, insertion/deletion and ascending-deletion results that beat strong baselines (Tables 1–2, Fig. 4), and an explicit train/eval fill analysis in Supp. F. The main scientific value is therefore conditional on clarifying what “sufficient” means under the self-composite versus pure information removal.
major comments (4)
- §3 Composite image / Eq. (1) and Supp. F / Table 5: the central sufficiency claim is that low preservation MSE under the three-way self-composite means the retained pixels are enough for model behaviour. Supp. F shows a large train/eval gap when non-salient regions are grey-filled instead of blur-filled (e.g. mean CLS cos 0.740→0.918; spaniel p_masked 0.34→0.93). The paper itself states that masks rely on the blur fill’s low-frequency context. Because the optimisation objective (Eq. 2) always trains against blur+distractor, absolute “sufficiency” of high-M pixels alone is not established by the training loss. Main-text claims and the title should either (i) report primary preservation metrics under grey/mean fill as the default, (ii) include an ablation that optimises under grey fill, or (iii) reframe results as composite-conditioned sufficiency with the gap quantified in the main paper—
- §4 Faithfulness / Table 1 vs. pixel-deletion protocol (Fig. 4, Table 2): insertion/deletion and ascending deletion use grey or channel-mean replacement and still favour SEAMS, which supports ranking quality. However, SEAMS masks for the deletion benchmark are optimised with fewer steps (T=500) and n_copies=3 median aggregation, while main qualitative/ins-del settings use T=2000 and different targets. The paper should state whether the same mask generation protocol is used for all faithfulness tables, and report ins/del AUCs under a fixed, fully specified protocol (including fill, T, and aggregation) so that the large ascending-deletion gains cannot be attributed to protocol mismatch with baselines.
- Abstract and §4 claim masks are “stable across random initialisations,” but the main text and reported tables give no quantitative stability metric (e.g. IoU/cos across seeds, variance of α or of deletion AUC). Either add a short multi-seed study on a fixed image set or soften the claim. Without that evidence the stability statement is unsupported relative to the rest of the evaluation.
- §4 Transfer to medical imaging / Fig. 7 (and Supp. C): the ROP demo is only qualitative on private data with no insertion/deletion, preservation MSE, or clinical agreement metric, and no public subset or synthetic proxy. As written it cannot support a generalisation claim beyond “the optimiser runs and produces sparse maps.” Either add quantitative faithfulness on the ROP model (even on a held-out private split summarised by AUC/cos) or move the section to a brief qualitative appendix and avoid implying validated clinical transfer in the abstract/conclusions.
minor comments (6)
- Main text cites “Figure 19” for qualitative comparisons before later figures (e.g. Fig. 5); figure numbering appears out of order relative to the supplemental block. Renumber so main-text figures are sequential and self-contained.
- §3: M'' = min(1−M, α) is easy to misread as a second soft mask rather than a capped residual. A one-sentence intuition (why the cap equals α) would help readers who skip the partition-of-unity algebra.
- Hyperparameters λ_α=2.0, α_0=0.25, T=2000, D=4 are fixed for all main experiments; a short sensitivity plot (e.g. λ_α ∈ {0.5,2,8} on a small image set) would strengthen the “simple fixed pipeline” claim.
- Related work: Vision DiffMask and Extremal Perturbations are cited; a clearer one-paragraph contrast on modular targets and self-only composites would help position novelty without overstating uniqueness of soft-mask optimisation.
- Typos/notation: “desribed” (Supp. G), inconsistent spacing in “Fig. 1.Sufficiency”, and mixed use of g vs f for the encoder/target in places (e.g. Algorithm 1 uses f while §3 uses g).
- Limitations correctly note iterative cost (~40s/image); stating wall-clock and GPU model in the main experimental setup (not only Supp. A) would aid reproducibility comparisons with single-pass attribution.
Circularity Check
No circularity: SEAMS is an optimization method evaluated on independent insertion/deletion and pixel-deletion benchmarks, not a derivation that reduces to its own inputs.
full rationale
SEAMS defines a soft-mask optimization (preservation MSE under a three-way self-composite plus a learnable budget; Eq. 2 and Eq. 1) and reports empirical outcomes on external faithfulness protocols (RISE-style insertion/deletion AUCs in Table 1; ascending pixel-deletion curves and AUCs in Fig. 4 and Table 2) against independent baselines (IxG, SmoothGrad, IntGrad, LRP variants, LeGrad, DAVE). The training objective is not identical to the evaluation metrics: optimization uses the three-way composite with self-augmented distractor and blur, while reported insertion/deletion and deletion curves use grey or channel-mean fill. Supp. F and Table 5 even document a train/eval fill gap rather than hiding it, which is a validity concern, not a by-construction identity. There is no fitted parameter renamed as a prediction, no uniqueness theorem imported from the authors, and no load-bearing self-citation that forces the central claim. Overlap of co-author Tabor with the DAVE citation is ordinary baseline comparison, not a premise that SEAMS reduces to. The paper is a self-contained algorithmic contribution with external empirical checks; circularity score is 0.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (5)
- sparsity weight λ_α =
2.0
- initial budget α_0 =
0.25
- optimization steps T and distractor count D =
T=2000, D=4 (main)
- Adam learning rates η_ℓ, η_α =
0.05 / 0.01
- blur σ range and HeavyAug strength =
σ∈[15,25]; HeavyAug as in Supp. D
axioms (5)
- domain assumption Preserving a chosen differentiable output under MSE on an augmented composite is a valid operational definition of sufficiency for model behaviour.
- ad hoc to paper A three-way partition M + M'' + N = 1 with self-distractor and blur is an adequate information-removal model without external reference images.
- ad hoc to paper Normalise-and-clip of softplus logits with learnable α yields sufficiently sparse nearly-binary masks without top-k.
- domain assumption Insertion/deletion and ascending pixel-deletion curves measure faithfulness of sufficiency masks.
- domain assumption Frozen pretrained ImageNet (and private ROP) encoders are representative testbeds for architecture-agnostic post-hoc explanation.
invented entities (2)
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SEAMS three-way self-composite (M, M'', N) with M''=min(1−M, α)
no independent evidence
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Normalise-and-clip soft-mask with learnable budget α
no independent evidence
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read the original abstract
Saliency maps are most useful when they identify the image regions that are sufficient to preserve a model's behaviour. We introduce SEAMS, a sufficiency-based saliency method that directly optimises a soft mask using a preservation objective. Given a frozen differentiable model output, such as a class probability, CLS embedding, or token representation, SEAMS searches for a compact mask that preserves the selected output. The approach relies on a simple optimisation framework based on soft masks, a learnable budget, and a three-way image composite generated entirely from the query image. As a result, it requires no auxiliary distractor dataset, architecture-specific attribution mechanism, or differentiable top-k relaxation. Experiments with frozen ViT-S/16 and ConvNeXt models show that the same optimisation pipeline can generate object-level, class-conditioned, and token-level explanations by changing only the preserved target. The resulting masks are compact, interpretable, stable across random initialisations, and competitive on insertion and deletion benchmarks. Our results also indicate that different architectures often rely on different sufficient evidence while achieving similar preservation fidelity, highlighting the architecture-dependent nature of visual explanations.
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3 Supplemental Material A. Optimisation details For a single query imagex, the learnable parameters are the logit tensorℓ∈R H×W (initialised to zero) and the budget scalarα raw (initialised so thatα= 0.25). We use Adam with learning ratesη ℓ = 0.05for the mask logits andη α = 0.01for the budget, running forT= 2000 steps. At each step we (i) recomputeαandM...
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