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A spindle deformation of Kerr is not exactly separable for geodesics, yet at order B² null rays separate while massive particles do not, shifting ISCOs and enlarging shadows relative to Kerr.

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load-bearing objection Solid geodesic/shadow analysis of the new ML spindle-Kerr metric: exact non-separability, O(B^{2}) null recovery, OSCO, and ray-traced validation at fixed thermodynamic M,χ. the 2 major comments →

arxiv 2607.10533 v1 pith:BJQ7NSID submitted 2026-07-12 gr-qc

Geodesics and shadows of the spindle-deformed Kerr black hole

Hong-Da Lyu , Mingzhi Wang , Shoulong Li This is my paper
classification gr-qc
keywords spindle-deformed KerrML black holeHamilton-Jacobi separabilityISCOOSCOphoton regionblack-hole shadowray tracing
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The pith

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This paper works out how a recently constructed Ricci-flat rotating black hole, deformed from Kerr by a spindle parameter B, changes particle orbits and the black-hole silhouette. The Hamilton–Jacobi equation fails to separate exactly for either massive or massless particles, in contrast to pure Kerr. At the first nontrivial order in B², however, null geodesics become separable while timelike ones remain mixed. Using that partial separation, the authors compute the photon region and shadow analytically, show that the deformation pushes the innermost stable circular orbit outward and can create an outermost stable circular orbit, and confirm the small-B shadow boundary by full numerical ray tracing. The result matters because it turns a new exact vacuum solution into concrete, Kerr-matched predictions for accretion-disk scales and Event-Horizon-Telescope-style images.

Core claim

In the spindle-deformed Kerr (ML) black hole the Hamilton–Jacobi equation is not exactly separable for either timelike or null geodesics; yet at leading nontrivial order O(B²) the null sector separates while the timelike sector does not. The deformation shifts both ISCO radii outward, can produce an OSCO that bounds stable circular motion from above, and increases the mean shadow radius relative to Kerr at fixed physical mass and spin. Analytic O(B²) photon-region results agree with direct ray tracing in the exact metric for small BM.

What carries the argument

The O(B²) expansion of the null Hamilton–Jacobi equation after the metric is rewritten in terms of the thermodynamically normalized mass M and spin χ; the resulting additive separation into radial and angular potentials X₁(r)+X₂(x) supplies a Carter-like constant that determines the photon region and the parametric shadow boundary.

Load-bearing premise

All comparisons with Kerr are made at fixed physical mass and spin defined by a thermodynamic normalization of the time and azimuthal coordinates, not by asymptotic flatness; a different frame choice would change the reported orbit and shadow shifts.

What would settle it

Compute the full (non-perturbative) null geodesic equations for BM ≳ 0.01 at fixed thermodynamic M and χ and check whether the analytic O(B²) shadow boundary still coincides with the ray-traced silhouette within the claimed tolerance; any systematic mismatch falsifies the claimed range of the perturbative treatment.

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If this is right

  • Equatorial ISCO and photon-orbit radii receive explicit O(B²) corrections that can be used as templates for thin-disk and photon-ring modelling at fixed M and χ.
  • For nonzero B a finite radial interval of stable circular orbits appears, bounded by an ISCO and an OSCO that merge at a critical deformation.
  • The mean shadow radius grows with BM; the fractional deviation σ is free of a linear-B term and depends on observer distance and inclination.
  • Beyond O(B²) both sectors lose separability, so generic geodesic motion is expected to be nonintegrable and potentially chaotic.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Because the asymptotic geometry is a B-spindle rather than Minkowski space, shadow-size constraints extracted from finite-distance images may require a redefinition of the asymptotic length scale before they can be compared with Kerr-based EHT analyses.
  • The selective recovery of null separability at O(B²) suggests that demagnetizing transformations can preserve a remnant of the Carter constant only for massless particles; testing whether higher-order terms reintroduce a hidden symmetry would clarify the status of the full ML geometry.
  • The existence of an OSCO already at modest BM implies that thin-disk models around such objects would possess both an inner and an outer edge set by geodesic stability alone.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper analyzes geodesic motion and black-hole shadows in the Ma–Lü (ML) spindle-deformed Kerr black hole, a Ricci-flat rotating solution with an extra geometric parameter B. The central claims are that the Hamilton–Jacobi equation is not exactly separable for either timelike or null geodesics, that null (but not timelike) geodesics become separable at leading nontrivial order O(B²), that the deformation shifts the ISCO outward and can produce an OSCO, and that O(B²) analytic results for the photon region, equatorial photon orbits, and finite-distance shadow agree with full-metric ray tracing and yield a larger mean shadow radius than Kerr at fixed physical mass M and spin χ. Analytic expansions of the radial potential and of the separated null equations are given through O(B²), and numerical solutions of the unexpanded geodesic equations are used for validation and for finite-B features such as the OSCO.

Significance. This is a solid first study of strong-field geodesics and shadows for a new exact Ricci-flat rotating black hole. The selective restoration of null separability at O(B²), established by the mixed-derivative test and explicit X₁(r)+X₂(x) splitting, is a nontrivial structural result that cleanly distinguishes the ML geometry from both Kerr and its KBR seed. Closed-form O(B²) ISCO and photon-orbit corrections, together with side-by-side analytic versus full-metric numerics (Figs. 1–3), give falsifiable, reproducible predictions for how a spindle deformation deforms circular orbits and the shadow at fixed thermodynamic (M,χ). The work is of clear interest for the growing literature on non-asymptotically flat Kerr deformations and for strong-field phenomenology.

major comments (2)
  1. Sec. II, Eqs. (7)–(13) and the subsequent O(B²) expansions (14)–(15): all geodesic and shadow comparisons with Kerr are performed at fixed physical M and χ defined by the thermodynamic Killing-frame normalization. That choice is stated clearly and applied uniformly, but the reported O(B²) shifts of R_ISCO, R_photon, and the size deviation σ inherit it. A short robustness check—e.g., repeating the leading ISCO/photon-orbit corrections at fixed integration constants (m,a) or under an alternative asymptotic normalization if one can be motivated—would make the phenomenological claims less frame-dependent without changing the geometric separability results.
  2. Sec. III.B–C and Figs. 1, 3–4: the counterrotating branch has a substantially smaller perturbative window (visible deviations already near BM∼10^{-3} in Fig. 1) than the corotating branch. Shadow images and analytic boundaries are shown at BM=0.01 and χ=0.98. Although Fig. 3 shows good agreement for one near-extremal case, the manuscript should state more explicitly the residual O(B⁴) error budget for the counterrotating photon-orbit sector and for σ at the BM values used in Figs. 4–6, so that the domain of validity of the analytic shadow is quantified rather than only illustrated.
minor comments (5)
  1. Eqs. (25)–(26) and (56)–(57): the expanded X₁, X₂ and critical (ξ,η) expressions are very long. A short appendix collecting intermediate steps of the mixed-derivative check ∂²X/∂r∂x=0, or a machine-readable supplementary file, would help independent verification.
  2. Fig. 2: the critical BM values where ISCO and OSCO merge are given only in the figure labels. Stating them in the text (and, if possible, a brief scaling with χ) would make the OSCO discussion easier to cite.
  3. Sec. IV, Eq. (76) and Fig. 6: σ is a useful finite-distance size measure after centroid subtraction. A one-sentence remark on whether an asymptotic (ro→∞) shadow is well-defined in the non-asymptotically flat ML geometry would clarify the interpretation of the middle column of Fig. 6.
  4. Notation: the same symbol L is used for the metric function L(r,x) and for the conserved angular momentum; a brief local reminder when L appears in the radial potential (28) would reduce ambiguity.
  5. Typos/style: “Peoples Republic of China” → “People’s Republic of China”; a few long sentences in Sec. I and the abstract could be split for readability. References to the ML construction and KBR seed are appropriate and current.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: geodesic and shadow results are derived from the fixed ML metric and cross-checked by full ray tracing; thermodynamic (M,χ) labeling is an explicit modeling convention, not a self-forcing prediction.

specific steps
  1. self citation load bearing [Sec. II, Eqs. (7)–(13) and surrounding text]
    "Following Ref. [4], we fix this freedom by demanding that the conserved charges obey the first law of black-hole thermodynamics. This is implemented by the further linear transformation t' = λ_{1} t'', φ = φ'' + λ_{2} B t''. … With the thermodynamic normalization, the conserved mass and angular momentum are M = …, J = … We therefore characterize the geodesic and shadow observables in terms of the physical quantities M and J …"

    Physical mass M and spin χ used for all Kerr comparisons are defined by a Killing-frame normalization taken from the authors’ prior thermodynamics paper [4]. That choice is load-bearing for the numerical size of the reported O(B^{2}) shifts, but it is an explicit modeling convention, not a derivation of separability or of the existence of OSCO/shadow deviations; the geometric claims remain independent of the particular labels.

full rationale

The paper takes the exact Ricci-flat ML metric of Ma & Lü as a fixed background, expands the Hamilton–Jacobi equation in BM, and tests separability by the mixed-derivative condition ∂^{2}X/∂r∂x = 0 (null sector at O(B^{2}) only). Timelike ISCO/OSCO radii follow from the equatorial radial potential V(r) = 0, V' = 0, V'' = 0; photon-region impact parameters and the analytic shadow boundary follow from the separated null potentials; both are independently validated by numerical integration of the unexpanded geodesic equations. Self-citations fix the metric and the thermodynamic frame that defines physical M and χ, but those citations do not force the separability statements, the existence of an OSCO, or the size of the shadow deviations. The (M,χ) matching is an explicit convention applied uniformly to both Kerr and ML, not a fit to shadow or orbit data. No prediction reduces by construction to a fitted input, and no uniqueness theorem is imported to forbid alternatives. Score 1 reflects only the minor, non-load-bearing dependence on the authors’ prior thermodynamic normalization for the Kerr-comparison labels.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

3 free parameters · 5 axioms · 2 invented entities

The central claims rest on classical GR plus the Ma–Lü Ricci-flat metric and a thermodynamic choice of Killing normalization. No data fitting is involved. Free parameters are the physical black-hole labels (M, χ, B) used for comparisons; axioms are standard GR plus domain choices about the metric and charge identification; the spindle parameter B is inherited from prior solution-generating work rather than invented here.

free parameters (3)
  • B (spindle deformation)
    Intrinsic geometric parameter of the ML metric; treated as free and scanned (e.g. BM up to ~0.01–0.12). Not fitted to observations in this paper.
  • physical mass M and dimensionless spin χ
    Used as fixed labels when comparing to Kerr; obtained from integration constants via thermodynamic normalization rather than asymptotic flatness.
  • observer radius ro and inclination θo
    Chosen by hand for shadow images (e.g. ro=50M, θo=17° or 90°); affect finite-distance shadow size σ.
axioms (5)
  • domain assumption Four-dimensional vacuum Einstein equations; Ricci-flat ML metric is an exact solution with parameters m,a,B.
    Background spacetime taken from Ma & Lü; all geodesic analysis assumes this metric (Sec. II).
  • domain assumption Physical mass and angular momentum are those that satisfy the first law after linear redefinitions of t and φ (thermodynamic Killing-frame normalization).
    Sec. II, Eqs. (7)–(13); used to express m,a in terms of M,χ for Kerr-matched comparisons.
  • standard math Hamilton–Jacobi geodesic equation with conserved E,L from Killing vectors ∂t, ∂φ; circular orbits from V=V'=V''=0; critical photons from Ξ=Ξ'=0.
    Standard GR particle dynamics (Sec. III).
  • ad hoc to paper Small-deformation expansion BM≪1 truncates analytic control at O(B²); higher orders reintroduce non-separability.
    Explicitly used for analytic ISCO, photon region, and shadow boundary; validated only where numerics agree (Figs. 1, 3).
  • domain assumption Locally nonrotating tetrad and central projection define the finite-distance shadow screen in a non-asymptotically flat geometry.
    Sec. IV, Eqs. (63)–(67); needed because asymptotic flatness is absent.
invented entities (2)
  • Spindle deformation parameter B as residual geometric (not electromagnetic) charge in the Ricci-flat ML metric no independent evidence
    purpose: Labels the non-Kerr deformation whose geodesic and shadow effects are computed.
    Introduced in prior solution-generating papers (Astorino; Ma & Lü), not invented here; this paper studies its consequences. No independent observational handle is established in this work.
  • Outermost stable circular orbit (OSCO) for the rotating ML black hole no independent evidence
    purpose: Names the outer boundary of the finite stable-orbit interval that appears at finite B.
    Feature already noted in the static B-deformed case; here confirmed numerically for rotating branches. Not a new fundamental object, just a named orbit type.

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Recently, a new exact Ricci-flat rotating black-hole solution was constructed in four-dimensional general relativity, in which an additional parameter $B$ characterizes a spindle deformation of the Kerr geometry. We study geodesic motion and black-hole shadows in this spacetime. The Hamilton-Jacobi equation is not exactly separable for either timelike or null geodesics. Remarkably, however, at the leading nontrivial order, ${\cal O}(B^2)$, null but not timelike geodesics become separable. In the timelike sector, the spindle deformation shifts the innermost stable circular orbit and can give rise to an outermost stable circular orbit. In the null sector, exploiting the perturbatively separated equations, we analytically determine the photon region, equatorial photon orbits, and black-hole shadow, and compare the resulting predictions with direct ray tracing in the exact spacetime. The numerical results validate the perturbative treatment and quantify the deviations from Kerr.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2607.10533 by Hong-Da Lyu, Mingzhi Wang, Shoulong Li.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: FIG. 1. Comparison between the numerical and perturbative ISCO radii as functions of the dimen [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p013_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: FIG. 2. Numerical ISCO and OSCO radii as functions of the dimensionless spindle parameter [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: FIG. 3. Comparison between the perturbative analytic shadow boundary and the full numerical [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p021_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: FIG. 4. Ray-traced shadow images at fixed dimensionless spin [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p022_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: FIG. 5. Analytic shadow boundaries obtained from the perturbative photon region at finite observer [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p023_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: FIG. 6. Dependence of the global Kerr-deviation parameter [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p024_6.png] view at source ↗

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