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Four-band radio flux monitoring of 361 AGN improves geodetic VLBI signal-to-noise predictions.

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load-bearing objection Solid, honest catalog paper with a genuinely useful new dataset; the S/N-prediction gain is real but rests on an acknowledged, untested spatial-scaling assumption. the 2 major comments →

arxiv 2607.20671 v1 pith:MJPTZ3RD submitted 2026-07-22 astro-ph.IM astro-ph.GAastro-ph.HE

A multi-band radio flux density catalog of ICRF3 sources using the Onsala Twin Telescopes

Alva Kinman , R\"udiger Haas , Karine Le Bail , Jun Yang , Eskil Varenius This is my paper
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keywords VLBIVGOSAGN variabilityflux density cataloggeodetic schedulingsignal-to-noise predictionradio interferometrylight curves
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The pith

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper argues that the radio sources used for geodetic VLBI vary too much at VGOS frequencies to be treated as constant, and that a regularly updated, absolutely calibrated multi-band flux catalog solves this. Using two nearby 13-meter telescopes as a single-baseline interferometer, it produces simultaneous light curves at 3.2, 5.5, 6.6, and 10.4 GHz for 361 celestial reference frame sources observed over three years. When these flux densities are inserted into the standard VLBI signal-to-noise equation, predicted S/N ratios land closer to observed values and with smaller relative scatter than predictions based on the static VGOS catalog, especially for the most variable sources. This matters because VGOS scheduling assigns observing time per source from flux density; accurate current flux densities mean fewer failed scans and more efficient use of the network. A by-product is a multi-frequency AGN variability data set useful for studying jet physics.

Core claim

On the paper's own terms, the central discovery is that a compact two-element interferometer can serve as a dedicated VGOS-band flux monitor: by correlating the twin antennas, calibrating against standard flux-density calibrators, and combining dedicated monthly sessions with international VGOS observing sessions, the authors obtained usable multi-epoch measurements in four bands for 361 sources. The resulting light curves show that most sources are variable — 64% have a modulation index above 0.1 at 10.4 GHz — and that spectra are predominantly flat or inverted. When flux densities from this catalog, updated to the latest month before each session, were used to predict the S/N of 2025 geode

What carries the argument

The load-bearing mechanism is the conversion from measured antenna correlation amplitude to absolute flux density, combined with the standard VLBI sensitivity relation that ties observing time to flux density, system equivalent flux densities, and bandwidth. The twin telescopes, separated by 75 meters, measure spatially unresolved total flux densities; these are scaled absolutely using three calibrator sources with known spectra. To predict geodetic S/N on longer baselines, the measured total flux density is rescaled to each baseline-length bin of the current VGOS catalog under the assumption that fractional flux changes are identical at all spatial scales. The paper's S/N test then compares

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise is that a fractional change in total flux density measured on the 75-meter baseline applies equally to all longer baselines; if source variability is not scale-invariant, the improved S/N predictions for variable sources are partly an artefact of the catalog's source-structure model.

What would settle it

Take a sample of variable sources from the catalog, observe them simultaneously with the twin telescopes and with a long-baseline VGOS network over multiple epochs, and compare fractional flux changes per baseline bin. If resolved sources show systematically different fractional variability on long versus short baselines, the scale-invariance assumption fails; if not, the catalog's S/N predictions are robust.

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If this is right

  • VGOS scheduling can be made adaptive: monthly flux updates let planners shorten scans of flaring sources and lengthen scans of fading ones, improving yield without changing sensitivity requirements.
  • Highly variable sources, currently a source of failed or wasteful observations, can be identified in advance from their light curves and assigned updated flux densities.
  • The multi-band light curves provide a ready-made sample for studying AGN variability and spectral-index evolution, including flaring events such as the order-of-magnitude brightening seen for one source.
  • The monitoring approach can be extended to additional twin-telescope stations and to a wider source list, potentially covering the full VGOS source population and the southern sky.
  • Because the static catalog underestimates current flux densities, its continued use likely over-allocates observing time; replacing it with updated values increases scheduling efficiency.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The paper does not test whether the variability amplitude is scale-independent; a same-epoch long-baseline imaging campaign would settle whether the improved S/N predictions for variable sources come from the monitoring data or from the catalog's source-structure model.
  • The measured bandpass efficiency (0.92) comes from one backend unit; S/N predictions for networks with other backend hardware will need their own efficiency factors, though the absolute flux densities themselves are unaffected.
  • The method could be extended to measure cross-baseline correlation amplitudes within a network of twin stations, yielding source-structure information without full imaging and reducing the need for the scale-invariance assumption.
  • The observed preponderance of flat or inverted spectra and spectral-index flips during flares offers a testbed for synchrotron self-absorption models, though robust fits to individual sources will require a peaked-spectrum model rather than a simple power law.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper presents multi-epoch, four-band (3.2, 5.5, 6.6 and 10.4 GHz) flux density measurements of 361 ICRF3 sources made with the Onsala Twin Telescopes as a 75 m single-baseline interferometer. Calibration uses CASA, phase-calibration tone flagging, absolute flux scaling to Perley & Butler (2017) models of 3C147, 3C286 and 3C295, RFI/sub-band outlier filtering, and error bars that combine a random component with a 3% systematic term validated by a reduced chi-square analysis. The resulting light curves are published as a catalog. As an application, predicted signal-to-noise ratios for 2025 VGOS sessions are computed from Eq. (6), where the OTT total flux density is used to scale the baseline-length bins of flux.cat.vgos (§4.1), and are compared with observed S/Ns. The authors report that the new flux densities predict geodetic S/N more precisely than the standard VGOS catalog, especially for the most variable sources.

Significance. If the claims hold, this is a genuinely useful community resource: the first systematically monitored VGOS-band flux catalog, with simultaneous four-band light curves for 361 sources (269 with at least five epochs), directly relevant to VGOS scheduling and to AGN variability studies. The strengths are substantial and should be credited: external absolute calibration against well-studied standards, explicit per-sub-band error propagation, a 3% systematic term whose size is checked with chi-square statistics on stable sources, transparent outlier filtering, and a public, continuously updated catalog with pipeline code. The S/N comparison is a valuable first step, but the headline claim of improved prediction rests on an untested baseline-scaling assumption and on the choice of dispersion metric. The catalog itself is likely to be of immediate use regardless of the outcome of that comparison.

major comments (2)
  1. [§4.1, Eq. (6) and Table 1] The S/N prediction for long baselines is obtained by scaling every baseline-length bin of flux.cat.vgos by the ratio of the OTT total flux density to the 0–1000 km bin value. The paper acknowledges that this assumes a change in flux density has the same relative size on all spatial scales and expects discrepancies for non-compact sources, but no test of this assumption is provided. Because Case 1 and Case 2 share the same baseline-shape model, the reported improvement in MAD for variable sources (Table 1, Fig. 7) could be driven by the total-flux normalization update alone and may not reflect an accurate long-baseline flux. Please add a robustness check: for example, compare predicted/observed S/N as a function of projected baseline length, or repeat Case 2 using only the 0–1000 km bin, and quantify how plausible changes in the source-structure shape would affect the claimed gain. If suc
  2. [§4.2, Table 1] The quantitative support for 'more precisely predict' is metric-dependent. For all observations, the raw MADs are similar or worse in Case 2 for bands B–D (0.34 vs 0.36, 0.39 vs 0.42, 0.61 vs 0.61); the improvement appears only after dividing each distribution by its median. For the 20 most variable sources the raw MAD does improve in bands B–D, but this is a small sample and the medians also differ substantially (e.g., 1.47 vs 1.67 in band D). The abstract should state explicitly that the improvement is in median-scaled dispersion, and the raw values should be reported alongside. If the practical scheduling metric is absolute S/N accuracy, the large Case 2 medians (1.26–1.49) represent a systematic overprediction that needs to be acknowledged as a limitation for direct scheduling use.
minor comments (5)
  1. [§4.1, Appendix E] The absolute S/N scale uses η_B = 0.92 measured from a single DBBC3 unit and applies it to all stations. The paper notes that some stations use RDBE back ends. While this cancels in a fully relative comparison, the sample includes a mix of back ends; a sentence quantifying the sensitivity of the MAD comparison to η_B in the plausible 0.92–1.0 range would be helpful.
  2. [Table 1] The table layout is difficult to read: the paired Case 1/Case 2 columns are not visually separated, and the 'median-scaled' rows are easy to miss. Consider splitting into separate tables or using clearer column groupings.
  3. [§2.5] The description of the 3σ criterion says 'if the XX or YY amplitude was smaller than three times the corresponding uncertainty'; this should be 'smaller than three times' or 'less than 3σ' for clarity, though the meaning is clear from context.
  4. [§5.3] The statement that an S/N < 7 leads to an amplitude error > 1% via Eq. (9.65) of Thompson et al. (2017) would benefit from the explicit equation or a page reference, since this threshold is used to justify the amplitude-averaging approach.
  5. [Author affiliations] Minor typo: 'on the leave from Chalmers' should read 'on leave from Chalmers'.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: flux densities are externally calibrated and S/N predictions are tested against independent observed S/Ns.

full rationale

The central flux densities are measured from OTT correlation amplitudes and placed on an absolute scale using Perley & Butler (2017) calibrator models (Section 2.4), not fitted to the S/N quantities later predicted. The S/N prediction comparison (Section 4) uses observed S/N from independent VGOS database files; Eq. (6) is the standard radiometer equation and contains no free parameter fitted to the data. The only internally estimated coefficient, eta_B = 0.92, is a measured DBBC3 bandpass factor (Appendix E) and cancels in the median-scaled MAD comparison. The Case 2 predictions do scale an external baseline-shape model (flux.cat.vgos) by the measured total flux densities, and the paper explicitly acknowledges the assumption that relative flux changes are identical on all spatial scales; this is a stated approximation, not an identity that makes the predicted S/N equal to the input by construction. The improvement claim is tested against observed S/Ns, so it is falsifiable rather than circular. The chi-square validation in Section 5.2 deliberately uses leave-one-out scaling to avoid calibrators validating themselves, and the pipeline self-citations (Varenius et al. 2022; Kinman et al. 2025a) are method descriptions with the code included, not load-bearing results. No equation or fitted parameter reduces the catalog or its S/N prediction to its own inputs.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

6 free parameters · 5 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central catalog rests on an external flux scale (Perley & Butler 2017) and careful calibration; no new physical entities are introduced. The S/N prediction claim, however, depends on an ad hoc spatial-scaling assumption and a hand-picked bandpass efficiency, both acknowledged but not independently validated.

free parameters (6)
  • Systematic error term = 3% of flux density, added in quadrature
    Hand-chosen in Section 2.6 to cover gain, opacity, and reference-flux systematics. The χ² analysis in Section 5.2 shows reduced χ² ≲ 1 for stable sources, so it is conservative rather than fitted to the target result.
  • Sub-band deviation threshold = 15% deviation from the sub-band median within a band
    Hand-chosen in Section 2.5 to reject RFI-affected sub-bands. It directly affects which sub-bands enter the averaged flux densities and therefore the catalog values.
  • Scan outlier threshold = 5 median absolute deviations (MAD) from the median
    Hand-chosen in Section 2.3.1 for removing outlier scans in VO data; affects the per-session flux estimates for VO sessions.
  • Minimum surviving sub-bands = 4 sub-bands
    Hand-chosen in Section 2.5: if fewer than four sub-bands remain after filtering, the whole band is discarded. This affects band A sparsity and source selection.
  • Bandpass efficiency eta_B = 0.92
    Estimated in Appendix E from a single DBBC3 bandpass measurement (ONSA13NE) and used in η = 0.786 for S/N predictions. If other stations' bandpasses differ, predicted S/N medians would shift.
  • Amplitude detection threshold = 3σ (XX or YY amplitude below 3× uncertainty)
    Hand-chosen in Section 2.5 to avoid false detections due to noise; part of the RFI/quality filtering that defines which sub-bands are kept.
axioms (5)
  • domain assumption The radiometer/S-N relation (Eq. 1/6) with η = 0.786 applies to VGOS observations.
    Used to translate flux densities into predicted S/N; relies on Thompson et al. 2017, a fixed quantization efficiency, a DiFX correlation efficiency from Gipson 2018, and an assumed representative DBBC3 bandpass.
  • domain assumption The Perley & Butler (2017) flux density scale for 3C147, 3C286, and 3C295 is stable and accurate in the VGOS bands.
    All absolute flux densities are scaled to these calibrators (Section 2.4). If any calibrator has varied, all flux densities share a common bias; the 3% reference-scale uncertainty is deliberately excluded from error bars.
  • ad hoc to paper A change in total flux density scales identically at all spatial scales / baseline lengths.
    Section 4.1: measured total flux density is used to scale all projected-baseline bins of flux.cat.vgos. Explicitly acknowledged as approximate and likely invalid for resolved sources.
  • domain assumption Flat gain curve and negligible atmospheric opacity for the OTT.
    Sections 2.3 and 5.1: elevation-dependent gain and opacity are ignored; the authors note this affects low-declination sources and band D.
  • domain assumption Phase interpolation between sparse fringe-fit solutions is valid, and residual 2-hour phase oscillations do not bias amplitude averaging.
    Section 5.3: calibration relies on interpolated fringe phases between scans; amplitude averaging assumes sufficient intra-scan phase stability and that Rice-distribution bias is small for S/N > 7.

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The VLBI Global Observing System (VGOS) is the next generation system for geodetic and astrometric Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI). To optimize the observing time for each source in geodetic schedules, a flux density catalog is needed for the sources that are observed at the VGOS frequencies. The aim of this work is to monitor the flux densities of geodetic sources in the VGOS bands. The obtained flux density time series can be used for more effective scheduling of geodetic and astrometric VLBI experiments, as well as probing active galactic nuclei (AGN) physics. The Onsala Twin Telescopes have been used as a single baseline interferometer to measure flux densities of AGN that are part of the International Celestial Reference System (ICRF3). The telescopes observed at 3.2, 5.5, 6.6 and 10.4 GHz simultaneously. Both locally planned flux monitoring sessions and international geodetic experiments were analyzed. The data were calibrated using the Common Astronomy Software Applications (CASA). The possibility of predicting geodetic signal-to-noise ratios (S/N) using the measured flux densities was also tested. Simultaneous light curves in up to four frequencies have been obtained for 361 sources. The majority of the sources vary significantly in flux density during the measurement period. Most sources have a flat or inverted spectrum, with only 6 % having a steep spectrum. Furthermore, the flux densities from this work were shown to more precisely predict geodetic signal-to-noise ratios compared to the standard VGOS flux density catalog, especially for the most variable sources. Flux density variation needs to be taken into account to obtain the most optimal VGOS schedules. The flux density catalog presented here is expected to be of use for both astronomy and geodesy. We plan to continue the monitoring program.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2607.20671 by Alva Kinman, Eskil Varenius, Jun Yang, Karine Le Bail, R\"udiger Haas.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Operational VGOS frequency setup. Each band is 480 MHz wide in total and contains eight sub-bands with a bandwidth [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Example light curves from our flux monitoring experiments. Triangles represent results from dedicated FM experiments and [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Distribution of modulation indices in each band. His [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Histogram of mean spectral indices. Most sources have [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_4.png] view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Spectral index for 0322+222 computed by fitting a power law to the flux density measurements at each epoch. The two dips correspond to periods of increasing flux density as seen in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_5.png] view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: By using the standard catalog to predict S [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Ratios of observed and predicted S/N for two cases: With flux densities from the constant VGOS catalog (in blue) and with flux densities from this work (in red). The dashed line represents a ratio of 1. All observations from VO experiments in 2025 are included. The flux densities from this work lead to higher estimated S/Ns than the standard VGOS catalog, but the distribution peak is close to 1. 0 2 4 Pred… view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Analogous to Figure 6, but only the 20 sources with the largest flux density variability are included. While the predicted [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_7.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 8. Figure 8: Analogous to Fig. 6, but only including observations of 0613 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_8.png] view at source ↗

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