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Clavius' 1567 eclipse report requires the solar radius to have been at most 696200 km.

2026-07-03 04:52 UTC pith:2OMQUPMF

load-bearing objection Clavius reports give a concrete 1567 R_Sun upper bound and narrow Delta T window, but the step from 'slender circle' wording to specific limb geometry lacks shown sensitivity checks. the 3 major comments →

arxiv 2607.02347 v1 pith:2OMQUPMF submitted 2026-07-02 astro-ph.SR physics.geo-phphysics.hist-phphysics.space-ph

Analyses on Christoph Clavius' Reports of Total Solar Eclipses in 1560 and 1567: Key References for the Centennial Variations of the Earth's Rotation Speed and the Solar Radius

Hisashi Hayakawa , Mitsuru S\^oma , Jean-Pierre Rozelot , Koji Murata , Alexei A. Pevtsov , Stanislav Gun\'ar , Lucie M. Green This is my paper
classification astro-ph.SR physics.geo-phphysics.hist-phphysics.space-ph
keywords solar radiushistorical eclipsesClaviusDelta TEarth rotationcentennial variations
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The paper reexamines Christoph Clavius' accounts of solar eclipses observed in 1560 at Coimbra and 1567 at Rome. Updated lunar topography and ephemeris data are used to translate his descriptions of totality and a slender surrounding circle into revised bounds on the time offset Delta T. These bounds then produce an upper limit on the solar radius in 1567 that equals the modern reference value. The result rules out any steady linear shrinkage of the Sun across centuries while leaving room for possible centennial-scale oscillations.

Core claim

Clavius described an explicit totality in 1560 and a slender circle around the Moon in 1567. With modern lunar limb profiles and ephemerides, these qualitative reports yield Delta T intervals of -492 s to 200 s in 1560 and 140 s to 151 s in 1567. The local totality condition in 1567 imposes an upper solar-radius bound of 696200 km, showing no linear secular shrinkage but permitting centennial oscillations.

What carries the argument

Translation of Clavius' qualitative eclipse descriptions into quantitative solar-radius and Delta T bounds via lunar limb profiles and ephemerides.

Load-bearing premise

The analysis assumes Clavius' 'slender circle' description accurately records the actual eclipse geometry without rhetorical exaggeration or memory error.

What would settle it

An independent historical record or modern reconstruction showing the 1567 solar radius exceeded 696200 km, or a Delta T value outside the stated intervals that still matches the reported visibility, would falsify the derived limits.

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If this is right

  • The solar radius showed no linear secular decrease between the sixteenth century and the present.
  • Centennial oscillations in solar radius remain compatible with the eclipse data.
  • Historical qualitative reports can supply absolute solar-size references before direct measurements began.
  • Earth's rotation-rate changes can be bounded at the specific dates of the two eclipses.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same method of combining narrative descriptions with precise lunar topography could be applied to other pre-modern eclipse accounts to extend the radius record.
  • If solar radius oscillates on century scales, the mechanism may connect to known longer-term solar magnetic cycles.
  • The derived radius bound supplies a concrete anchor point for models that link solar size to historical climate variations.

Editorial analysis

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Desk editor's note, referee report, simulated authors' rebuttal, and a circularity audit.

Referee Report

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Summary. The paper reanalyzes Christoph Clavius' qualitative reports of the 1560 (Coimbra, explicit totality) and 1567 (Rome, slender circle) solar eclipses using modern lunar topography and ephemeris data. It revises the ΔT intervals to -492 s ≤ ΔT ≤ 200 s (1560) and 140 s ≤ ΔT ≤ 151 s (1567) under Auwers' canonical R_Sun, then derives an upper bound R_Sun ≤ 696200 km (959.92 arcsec) for 1567 under the local-totality scenario, concluding against linear secular shrinkage but allowing centennial oscillations. Three interpretive scenarios for the 1567 description are considered, with annularity deemed unlikely.

Significance. If the visibility-to-geometry mapping proves robust, the work supplies pre-1715 absolute R_Sun anchors that complement post-1715 eclipse records and bear on solar magnetic activity and possible climate linkages. The incorporation of updated lunar limb profiles and ephemerides is a clear methodological advance over earlier qualitative discussions.

major comments (3)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the 11-second ΔT window (140–151 s) for 1567 is obtained by matching the 'slender circle' description to lunar topography, yet no quantitative threshold is stated for what fraction of the solar limb must remain visible to qualify as 'slender' rather than total; this mapping is load-bearing for both the ΔT interval and the subsequent R_Sun ≤ 696200 km bound.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract and 1567 analysis section: the R_Sun upper limit of 696200 km is derived only after fixing Auwers' reference radius and adopting the totality scenario; the manuscript provides no sensitivity tests on alternative visibility thresholds, reference radii, or site/time uncertainties that could widen the allowed R_Sun range and thereby weaken the 'no linear secular shrinkage' claim.
  3. [Methods] Methods (implied by abstract claims): the revised ΔT intervals and R_Sun bound are presented without error propagation, Monte-Carlo sampling of ephemeris or topography uncertainties, or explicit handling of lunar limb profile variations, leaving the numerical precision of the central results unquantified.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] The abstract lists three interpretive scenarios for the 1567 report but does not name or tabulate them; a short table or enumerated list would improve clarity.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive suggestions. The comments correctly identify areas where additional rigor can strengthen the quantitative aspects of the analysis. We will revise the manuscript to incorporate the requested clarifications, sensitivity tests, and uncertainty quantification while preserving the core conclusions based on the Clavius descriptions and updated ephemerides. Point-by-point responses follow.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the 11-second ΔT window (140–151 s) for 1567 is obtained by matching the 'slender circle' description to lunar topography, yet no quantitative threshold is stated for what fraction of the solar limb must remain visible to qualify as 'slender' rather than total; this mapping is load-bearing for both the ΔT interval and the subsequent R_Sun ≤ 696200 km bound.

    Authors: We agree that an explicit quantitative definition of the 'slender circle' visibility threshold would improve transparency. In the revised version we will introduce a specific criterion (e.g., maximum residual solar-limb arc length or fractional visibility derived from historical eclipse terminology and modern photographic analogs) and re-derive the ΔT interval under that definition. This will be presented in a new subsection of the 1567 analysis. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and 1567 analysis section: the R_Sun upper limit of 696200 km is derived only after fixing Auwers' reference radius and adopting the totality scenario; the manuscript provides no sensitivity tests on alternative visibility thresholds, reference radii, or site/time uncertainties that could widen the allowed R_Sun range and thereby weaken the 'no linear secular shrinkage' claim.

    Authors: The referee is correct that the present bound is tied to the adopted reference radius and the local-totality interpretation. We will add a dedicated sensitivity section that varies (i) the visibility threshold, (ii) the reference solar radius within its historical uncertainty, and (iii) plausible site/time offsets. The resulting range of allowed R_Sun values will be reported explicitly so that readers can assess the robustness of the conclusion against linear secular shrinkage. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [Methods] Methods (implied by abstract claims): the revised ΔT intervals and R_Sun bound are presented without error propagation, Monte-Carlo sampling of ephemeris or topography uncertainties, or explicit handling of lunar limb profile variations, leaving the numerical precision of the central results unquantified.

    Authors: We acknowledge the absence of formal uncertainty quantification. In the revision we will implement a Monte-Carlo procedure that samples ephemeris uncertainties, lunar-limb profile variations from the LRO/LOLA dataset, and timing/site errors. The resulting distributions for ΔT and the R_Sun upper limit will be shown, together with 1σ and 2σ bounds, in updated figures and tables. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; derivation matches independent data to external canonical reference

full rationale

The paper assumes Auwers' external canonical R_Sun value solely to tighten Delta T bounds from Clavius' qualitative reports against independent lunar topography and ephemeris. It then applies those Delta T windows to derive an upper R_Sun limit consistent with the 1567 'slender circle' description. This does not presuppose the target bound in the inputs, invoke self-citations for uniqueness, or rename a fitted result as a prediction. The central claim rests on cross-matching historical visibility against separate astronomical datasets rather than reducing by construction to its own assumptions.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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Analysis rests on Auwers' canonical solar radius as baseline, specific textual interpretations of eclipse visibility, and modern lunar topography; no free parameters are explicitly fitted in the abstract but the three interpretive scenarios function as discrete modeling choices.

axioms (2)
  • domain assumption Auwers' canonical solar radius value is the appropriate reference for historical comparisons
    Invoked when translating angular sizes into absolute km bounds for 1567
  • domain assumption Clavius' descriptions of totality and slender circle can be mapped directly to geometric visibility conditions
    Central to revising Delta T intervals and deriving the R_Sun upper limit

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Variations in solar radius (hereafter R_Sun) is a key reference for solar magnetic activity in time. The sunlight amount may have varied with R_Sun and had an effect on the Earth's climate in the past. Eclipse observations offer a unique opportunity to measure the absolute R_Sun value before modern direct observations. The scientific community has discussed a possible long-term R_Sun variability from 1715 onward. Prior to their coverage, Clavius' eclipse reports had been subjected to qualitative debates regarding the local eclipse visibility and a possible secular R_Sun trend. This study leverages the recent dramatic developments of lunar topography data and ephemeris data to provide an effective resolution of this debate. Clavius' eclipse reports described an explicit totality in 1560 at Coimbra and a "slender circle" around the eclipsing Moon in 1567 at Rome. Our study revised the {\Delta}T constraints of -492 s =< {\Delta}T =< 200 s in 1560 and 140 s =< {\Delta}T =< 151 s in 1567 to satisfy Clavius' descriptions, considering the lunar limb profile and assuming Auwers' canonical R_Sun. This study constrains the R_Sun margin of 1567, utilising three scenarios to interpret Clavius' account. The local totality requires an upper R_Sun limit of 1567 as R_Sun =< 696200 km in absolute size (959.92" in angular size), indicating no linear secular R_Sun shrinkage but possible R_Sun oscillations on a centennial timescale. Conversely, the annularity scenario is considered unlikely because it requires an R_Sun decrease of 7.5" within 3 centuries, even beyond the capacity of extreme shrinking-Sun hypotheses.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2607.02347 by Alexei A. Pevtsov, Hisashi Hayakawa, Jean-Pierre Rozelot, Koji Murata, Lucie M. Green, Mitsuru S\^oma, Stanislav Gun\'ar.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Clavius’ original text from his eclipse reports in 1560 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Lunar limb profile in comparison with the solar limb profile under boundary [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: ΔT constraints derived from Clavius’ eclipse reports in this study (blue bars) and those in the previous studies (black bars for M+21 and red bars for H+26b), in comparison with M+21’s ΔT spline curve (black line) . 8 Our calculations indicate the ΔT margins as −493 s ≤ ΔT ≤ 207 s for the 1560 eclipse and 113 s ≤ ΔT ≤ 181 s for the 1567 eclipse to locate these sites in their totality paths if the method of… view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Lunar limb profiles in comparison with the boundary [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Eclipse-based R☉ measurements in our study (red bar) and those of previous studies (blue bars), in comparison with the modern helioseismic R☉ estimate (959.34") of Takata and Gough (2024). The blue bars compositely show the R☉ estimates of the previous studies (D+80; S+83; Kubo, 1993; K+09; Lamy et al., 2015; Quaglia et al., 2021; H+26a)10. In contrast, Scenarios (2) and (3) indicate a TSE and look far mor… view at source ↗

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