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Scientists often model the ups and downs of populations with stochastic differential equations, equations that combine a predictable trend with random noise. Two kinds of noise are common: demographic noise, which reflects random births and deaths, and environmental noise, which reflects external shocks hitting the whole population at once. Fitting these models to data is hard when the data are collected infrequently and the models do not have simple probability formulas.

The authors propose a way to compute the probability of the observed data, the likelihood, even when samples are far apart. Their trick is to fill the gaps between observations with random bridge paths that start and end at the observed points. Each bridge is weighted by how likely it would be under the model, and the average weight estimates the transition probability. This lets them compare models, such as demographic versus environmental noise, on real series of microbial abundances, forest tree counts, hashtag mentions, and trapped particles.

The central finding is that model comparison has hard limits set by the measurement protocol. When the time between samples is longer than the system's own memory time, consecutive observations are essentially independent. If two models predict the same overall distribution but differ only in temporal dynamics, the data contain no information to tell them apart. Conversely, if data are sampled very fast, a small number of measurements fails to average out sampling noise. The paper produces a phase diagram showing where models are distinguishable and where they are not, and uses it to explain contradictory claims about whether microbiome fluctuations are driven by demographic or environmental noise. It also gives practical advice: when you cannot sample at mu

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The paper's central claim is that its bridge change-of-measure Monte Carlo method (Eq. 30) computes transition densities, and hence time-series likelihoods, with controlled error at arbitrary sampling intervals, making full-path inference practical for coarsely sampled one-dimensional SDEs; and that this reveals a sharp, resolution-dependent 'distinguishability transition' around Δt≈τ, beyond which models sharing the same stationary distribution become empirically indistinguishable because the likelihood factors into a product of stationary densities (Eq. 34).

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The data-generating processes are assumed to be stationary, one-dimensional Markov diffusions of the form in Eq. (2) with a finite correlation time τ. The likelihood factorization in Eq. (34) and the transition at Δt≈τ depend on the Markov property and on the possibility of estimating τ; the real-data analyses (Sec. VII) also assume stationarity (microbiome via ADF test) and, for the merged BCI series, that transitions between species blocks are independent draws from the stationary distribution (Eq. 35), i.e., that the inter-block lag Δt' greatly exceeds τ. If the true system is non-Markovian or has long memory, these conclusions do not apply.

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Assumptions & free parameters 2 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on standard probability theory (Girsanov, Doob h-transform) and on the domain assumption that the observed systems are stationary Markov diffusions with finite correlation time. The paper introduces no invented physical entities. Two parameters are fitted to simulation outputs (collapse exponent, threshold M0).

free parameters (2)
  • data-collapse exponent λ = 2.5
    Fit to simulated distinguishability data in Appendix I (Fig. A2) to collapse the short-time regime; used to claim a 'simple organizing principle'.
  • distinguishability threshold M0 = ~1000
    Fit from the exponential/√M scaling of the long-time distinguishability probability in Appendix I; sets the number of measurements required to differentiate stationary distributions at Δt≫τ.
assumptions (4)
  • standard math Girsanov theorem for Radon-Nikodym derivatives between diffusion path measures
    Used to compute dP/dQ in Eqs. (19), (C17), (C22), (C23), central to the bridge estimator and path-integral MLE.
  • standard math Doob h-transform and the existence of bridge measures for Markov processes
    Used to construct bridge processes and prove Theorem 1 (Appendix F) for dQ/dQ(B).
  • domain assumption Absolute continuity between target and auxiliary diffusion measures
    Needed for Radon-Nikodym derivatives to exist; requires the bridge process to have matching (or transformed) noise coefficient, limiting applicability to SDEs that can be Lamperti-transformed to power-law noise (Appendix H.1).
  • domain assumption Markov property and finite correlation time of the processes under study
    Underlies the factorization of the likelihood Eq. (34) at Δt≫τ and the interpretation of the data in Sec. VII; if violated, the distinguishability limits are not valid.

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Robust inference for stochastic dynamical systems is often hampered by sparse sampling and the absence of closed-form likelihoods. We introduce a Monte Carlo path-inference framework that leverages full-path statistics and bridge processes to deliver reliable parameter estimation and model selection from coarsely sampled time series, without requiring analytical solutions. Crucially, we couple mechanistic stochastic models with their inference procedures to quantify how experimental design -specifically, sampling frequency and dataset size- governs estimator precision and model distinguishability. This analysis reveals optimal sampling regimes and sharp, resolution-dependent limits beyond which competing models become empirically indistinguishable. We validate the approach across four disparate systems -trajectories of optically trapped particles, human microbiome dynamics, social-media topic mentions, and forest population time series- recovering parameters and identifying when inference is fundamentally constrained by measurement resolution, thereby clarifying ongoing debates about dominant noise sources in these systems. Together, these results establish path-based Monte Carlo as a practical, general tool for inference and model discrimination in complex systems and provide principled guidelines for designing measurements that maximize information under real-world constraints.

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