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Hayden--Preskill recovery at finite temperature on a quantum processor: dynamics and initial state from the SYK model

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Pith's one-line read A SWAP injection lets the same Hamiltonian prepare a finite-temperature black-hole state and scramble a diary, and recovery still succeeds when scrambling is strong.

desk verdict Solid single-Hamiltonian finite-T HP/YK construction with clean analytics and honest NISQ data; the uniform-spreading late-time formulas are the softest piece, especially at low T. read the letter →

arxiv 2607.28486 v1 pith:5DFIIMRS submitted 2026-07-30 hep-th quant-ph

Jeongho Bang , Moongul Byun , Kyoungho Cho , Keun-Young Kim , Hyeonsoo Lee This is my paper
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keywords Hayden-PreskillrecoveryYoshida-KitaevdecoderfinitetemperatureSYKmodelSWAPinjectionquantumscramblingthermofielddoubleprocessor
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The reading

The original Hayden–Preskill thought experiment treats the black hole’s initial entangled state and the unitary that scrambles a thrown-in diary as unrelated. This paper ties them together: a SWAP gate inserts the diary into an existing black-hole qubit so one fixed Hamiltonian both defines a finite-temperature thermofield-double state and generates the later scrambling, and the expelled qubit is collected as radiation. With Sachdev–Ye–Kitaev dynamics they show that the probabilistic Yoshida–Kitaev decoder still recovers the diary—postselection probability stays non-negligible and conditional fidelity becomes large—while both quantities fall roughly in proportion to temperature because the initial state is less entangled when cold. Late-time formulas derived from uniform operator spreading match the numerics, and a sparse binary SYK version run on an IBM processor keeps the same qualitative recovery trend once a SWAP-based reference circuit mitigates noise. The result matters because it gives a single-Hamiltonian, hardware-ready model of finite-temperature information recovery from a chaotic many-body system.

What carries the argument

SWAP-injected Yoshida–Kitaev decoder: the diary is exchanged with a chosen black-hole qubit so one fixed Hamiltonian defines both the thermofield-double state and the scrambling; the late-time observables are then controlled by the thermal factors η_β = |Tr ρ_β^{1/2}|^2/(d_A² d_B) and ξ_β = ‖Tr_b ρ_β^{1/2}‖_F²/d_A together with the survival fraction κ = (d_C²−1)/(d_B²−1) from uniform spreading of the traceless operator.

What would settle it

Measure late-time P and F for the same SWAP protocol on a chaotic Hamiltonian whose operator weight remains visibly uneven across traceless directions (for example a too-sparse SYK instance); if the measured saturations systematically miss the formulas η_β + κ(ξ_β − η_β) and the corresponding F while the dynamics still look chaotic, the uniform-spreading claim fails.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

For the SWAP-injected finite-temperature Yoshida–Kitaev protocol driven by SYK Hamiltonians, diary information is successfully recovered: the postselection probability P_β(t) remains non-negligible and the conditional fidelity F_β(t) becomes large. Both quantities scale with temperature through two thermal factors built from ρ_β^{1/2}, and under the assumption of uniform operator spreading their late-time values admit closed forms that agree with disorder-averaged numerics. Strong scrambling is therefore essential; excessive sparsification destroys the stable recovery window. On an IBM device with binary sparse N=8 SYK the same qualitative dynamics survive, and a SWAP-removed reference circu

Load-bearing premise

After scrambling, the weight of every traceless operator is assumed to be spread evenly over all allowed directions, so a simple fraction of that weight survives the partial trace that defines the decoder.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • Finite-temperature black-hole recovery can be simulated without enlarging the Hilbert space or inventing an extended post-injection Hamiltonian.
  • When late radiation is scarce, the SWAP protocol’s conditional fidelity carries an extra temperature dependence absent from the conventional appended decoder.
  • Binary sparse SYK with moderate retention keeps a usable recovery window while cutting circuit depth enough for present-day processors.
  • A SWAP-removed reference circuit supplies a built-in, protocol-adapted noise baseline that multiplicatively restores postselection probability on hardware.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same SWAP-plus-reference-circuit pattern could serve as a generic error-mitigation template for other scrambling-based teleportation or wormhole-inspired protocols on NISQ devices.
  • If uniform spreading continues to hold for larger sparse SYK instances, the closed-form thermal factors give a cheap classical predictor of recovery quality before any quantum run.
  • Deterministic (Grover-style) decoding at finite temperature would likely inherit the same η_β and ξ_β factors, offering a higher-success-rate follow-up experiment once deeper circuits are feasible.
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Referee Report

2 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper proposes a SWAP-injected finite-temperature Hayden–Preskill/Yoshida–Kitaev protocol in which a single fixed Hamiltonian both prepares the TFD state and generates post-injection scrambling, avoiding an enlarged post-injection Hilbert space. Realizing the dynamics with (sparse) SYK models, the authors compute the postselection probability P_β(t) and conditional fidelity F_β(t), give exact early-time values, and derive late-time saturation formulas under a uniform operator-spreading assumption in terms of two thermal factors η_β and ξ_β (the latter injection-site dependent). Numerics for N=16 SYK support the formulas and the role of scrambling (via an OTOC diagnostic and a sparse-chaos check). A binary-sparse N=8 instance is run on ibm_marrakesh, where qualitative recovery trends survive and a SWAP-removed reference circuit mitigates P and partially mitigates F.

Significance. The work cleanly removes a genuine ambiguity in Hamiltonian finite-T HP recovery (how to extend H_B after diary injection) by a fixed-Hilbert-space SWAP construction, and it isolates an injection-dependent thermal factor ξ_β that distinguishes the protocol from the appended finite-T decoder when late radiation is small (Table I, Sec. IIID). The analytic late-time estimates (Eqs. 17, 23; Apps. A–B), their high-T reduction to standard YK relations, and the side-by-side comparison with disorder-averaged SYK evolution are concrete and falsifiable. The protocol-adapted reference-circuit mitigation and the sparse-SYK hardware demonstration, while NISQ-scale, are a useful experimental contribution. Strengths include explicit derivations, an App. C coefficient-level check of spreading, and transparent comparison to the appended decoder.

major comments (2)
  1. [Sec. IIID, Eqs. (16)–(23); Appendix C, Fig. 12] The late-time closed forms (17) and (23) rest on uniform equidistribution of traceless weight of the thermally dressed blocks N^(ar) built from ρ_β^{1/2} (Eq. 16; App. A, A16–A28), with survival fraction κ=(d_C²−1)/(d_B²−1). Appendix C / Fig. 12 diagnoses this only at T=1. At low T the same blocks are supported on the low-energy sector, so equidistribution over the full traceless space of B is a stronger assumption—precisely where the finite-T formulas are most novel—and the K=6 sparse case (Fig. 8) already shows that loss of ergodic spreading spoils the saturation values. Please either (i) repeat the coefficient-level diagnostic at the lowest temperatures used in Fig. 4 (e.g. T=0.01, 0.1), or (ii) clearly qualify the regime of validity of (17)/(23) and state that low-T agreement of the scalar markers is numerical rather than controlled by the spreading derivation.
  2. [Abstract; Sec. I; Sec. IIIC, Fig. 4] The abstract and opening summary state that both the postselection probability and the conditional fidelity are “proportional to temperature.” Fig. 4(a) (large N_D) shows F_β(t) largely insensitive to T while P_β(t) is suppressed at low T; temperature sensitivity of F appears mainly for small late radiation (Fig. 4(b)). “Proportional” is also stronger than what Fig. 6 and the definitions of η_β, ξ_β support. Please restate the claim to match the actual T-dependence (P always T-sensitive; F T-sensitive when d_D is not large) so the central finite-T message is not overstated.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Sec. IIIC, Fig. 4] Fig. 4 caption: for the appended (dashed) curves the matched N_D values (7 and 3) should also be stated in the main text near the figure callout, not only in the caption, to avoid confusion with the SWAP partition d_B=d_C d_D.
  2. [Sec. IIID, Fig. 7] The OTOC comparison (Fig. 7, Eq. 27) is described as qualitative; a brief remark on why the early-time mismatch is expected (Pauli-averaged local P_b vs full SWAP-block operator) is already in the text—consider marking the curves’ vertical scales or normalizing so the comparison is easier to read.
  3. [Sec. IVD, Fig. 11] Hardware: circuit depths (~144–156) and the residual gap in mitigated F (Fig. 11) are acknowledged; a one-sentence statement that N_B=3 is far from the scrambling thermodynamic limit would help non-experimentalist readers calibrate the claim “qualitative recovery dynamics.”
  4. [Sec. I] Typos / wording: “InchoosingthemodelHamiltonian” and similar spacing artifacts appear in the Introduction; “TheYKprotocolisquantitativelycharacterized” likewise. A full pass for missing spaces after periods and in compound phrases would help.
  5. [References] Ref. [38] is cited as 2026 and appears to be a companion/related work by overlapping authors; if it is unpublished or simultaneous, a short clarifying note (e.g. “in preparation” vs arXiv id) would help the reader.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: late-time P/F formulas follow from the protocol plus an explicit uniform-spreading assumption, then checked against independent SYK numerics.

full rationale

The load-bearing analytic claims are the late-time estimates P_β ≈ η_β + κ(ξ_β − η_β) and F_β ≈ Q_β/P_β (Eqs. 17, 22–23; Apps. A–B). These are obtained by (i) writing P and Q exactly from the SWAP-injected circuit and EPR projectors, (ii) splitting thermally dressed blocks into identity plus traceless parts (exact identity pieces give η_β), and (iii) imposing the stated equidistribution assumption (16)/(A28) that assigns the surviving fraction κ = (d_C²−1)/(d_B²−1) to the traceless weight. η_β and ξ_β are computed directly from ρ_β^{1/2} and its partial traces, not fitted to recovery data. High-T limits recover the known YK relations as consistency checks rather than as fitted targets. Numerics (disorder-averaged SYK evolution, Fig. 4) and the App. C coefficient diagnostic are independent comparisons to the assumption, not inputs that force the formulas. Hardware mitigation uses a SWAP-removed reference circuit whose ideal values are fixed by the same protocol definition. Modeling choices (parity sector, injection site, sparse K) are parameters, not circular reductions. Weakness of uniform spreading at low T is an assumption-validity concern, not circularity by construction.

Assumptions & free parameters 5 free parameters · 7 assumptions · 2 invented entities

The central recovery claims rest on standard quantum information and SYK modeling plus one load-bearing dynamical hypothesis (uniform traceless spreading) and several experimental modeling choices (parity truncation, sparsity K, single-step Trotter, depolarizing noise model for F). No new physical particles or forces are invented; η_β and ξ_β are derived composites from ρ_β^{1/2}. Free parameters are few and mostly numerical/experimental controls rather than fitted constants that define the claim.

free parameters (5)
  • SYK coupling J and body order q = q=4, J=√2 (num.); J=1/√5 (hw)
    Set to q=4 and J=√2 (numerics) or J=1/√5 (hardware Hamiltonian); conventional SYK choices, not fit to recovery data, but they set the scrambling timescale.
  • Binary sparse retention K (and p) = K=10 (hardware); K=100/6 (sparsity study)
    Hardware uses K=10 for N=8; numerics compare K=100 vs K=6. Chosen for chaos retention and Trotter fidelity over t∈[0,6], i.e. hand-selected for experimental feasibility.
  • VQA TFD circuit depth/parameters θ★ = fidelity 99.99% (T=10), 99.92% (T=0.1)
    TFD prepared variationally to ~99.9% fidelity; ansatz size differs by temperature. Parameters are optimized to a classical target statevector, not to P/F, but preparation error still enters hardware baselines.
  • Depolarizing suppression λ(t) for fidelity mitigation = λ(t)=(F_ref_noisy−F_∞)/(1−F_∞)
    Single-parameter noise model shared between reference and target circuits; extracted from reference F and applied to target. Model choice directly affects reported F_mit.
  • Disorder sample count and injection site = 20 (main); site b=0
    Averages over 20 realizations (100 in App. C); injection fixed to first qubit of B/B′. Affects fluctuation estimates and ξ_β via partial trace.
assumptions (7)
  • ad hoc to paper Uniform spreading of traceless thermal operators after scrambling: ||Tr_D X_0(t)||_F² ≈ [(d_C²−1)/(d_B²−1)] ||X_0||_F² (Eq. 16 / A28).
    Load-bearing for late-time P_β and F_β closed forms; supported numerically in App. C but not derived from SYK microscopics.
  • domain assumption Black-hole dynamics and TFD are generated by the same fixed H_B; diary enters only via unitary SWAP on a chosen qubit b∈B.
    Defines the modified protocol (Sec. IIA); replaces the usual enlarged H_AB without unique extension rule.
  • domain assumption Probabilistic YK success is diagnosed by non-negligible EPR postselection probability on AA′DD′ and large conditional EPR fidelity on RR′.
    Standard YK operational criterion carried over to the SWAP setting (Sec. IIB).
  • domain assumption Even-parity sector of SYK_4 is used so dynamics is represented on N_B=N/2−1 qubits; SWAP preserves parity.
    Sec. IIIA; avoids parity-symmetry obstruction to full ergodicity noted in prior HP/SYK work.
  • domain assumption Disorder average over random SYK couplings represents typical recovery dynamics; sample fluctuations of late-time P and Q are small enough that F≈⟨Q⟩/⟨P⟩.
    Used throughout Sec. III and Apps. A–B when writing disorder-averaged saturation formulas.
  • ad hoc to paper Reference circuit without SWAPs experiences approximately the same effective RR′ depolarizing factor λ(t) as the target decoder circuit.
    Sec. IVC fidelity mitigation; borrowed in spirit from noise-estimation circuits, not independently validated beyond partial restoration in Fig. 11.
  • standard math Standard linear algebra / quantum mechanics: EPR projectors, Pauli completeness on D, TFD correlator identity ⟨TFD|O⊗O′|TFD⟩=Tr[ρ^{1/2} O ρ^{1/2} O′ᵀ].
    Appendices A–B algebraic steps.
invented entities (2)
  • Injection-dependent thermal factor ξ_β = (1/d_A) ||Tr_b ρ_β^{1/2}||_F² independent evidence
    purpose: Captures thermal correlations of the expelled/injected qubit in P_β and F_β for the SWAP protocol, distinguishing it from appended finite-T YK (η_β only).
    Not a new particle; a derived scalar from ρ_β^{1/2}. Independent handle is indirect (temperature and injection-site dependence of measured P,F).
  • SWAP-removed reference circuit mitigation factors M_P(t) and λ(t) independent evidence
    purpose: Protocol-adapted estimate of hardware suppression for postselection probability and conditional fidelity.
    Methodological construct; falsifiable by whether mitigated curves approach noiseless Trotter+VQA baselines (partially shown).

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abstract

In the original Hayden--Preskill recovery, the post-injection scrambler and initial state are {\it not related}. We extend this setup in two ways: by using a SWAP gate so that the scrambler and initial state are {\it related}, and by considering recovery at {\it finite} temperature. For this modified protocol, we show that the information is successfully recovered in the sense that the postselection probability is non-negligible and the conditional fidelity is large. We find that both the postselection probability and the conditional fidelity are proportional to temperature, reflecting the reduced entanglement of the initial state at lower temperatures. We also derive their late-time analytic estimates under the assumption of uniform operator spreading and show that they agree well with the numerical results. This demonstrates that strong scrambling is important for successful information recovery. Implementing the protocol on an IBM superconducting processor using a binary sparse SYK Hamiltonian with $N = 8$ Majoranas, we observe that the data retain the qualitative recovery dynamics and that a SWAP-based error-mitigation scheme improves both the postselection probability and the conditional fidelity.

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Figure 1. FIG. 1. Quantum circuits for the finite-temperature Hayden–Preskill thought experiment. (a) Conventional representation, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. FIG. 2. Quantum circuits for the finite-temperature Yoshida–Kitaev (YK) decoding protocol. (a) Conventional YK decoder, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. FIG. 3. Decoupling diagnostic for the finite-temperature [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: FIG. 4. Finite-temperature Yoshida–Kitaev (YK) decoding dynamics with an [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_4.png]
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Figure 5. Figure 5: FIG. 5. Effect of mismatched injection positions in the SWAP-injected Yoshida–Kitaev (YK) decoder. We set [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_5.png]
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Figure 6. Figure 6: FIG. 6. The thermal quantities [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_6.png]
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Figure 7. Figure 7: FIG. 7. Comparison between the Yoshida–Kitaev postselec [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_7.png]
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Figure 8. Figure 8: FIG. 8. Effect of sparsification on the finite-temperature Yoshida–Kitaev protocol in the binary sparse [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_8.png]
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Figure 9. Figure 9: FIG. 9. The postselection probability [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_9.png]
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Figure 10. Figure 10: FIG. 10. The reference circuit used to estimate noise-induced [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_10.png]
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Figure 11. Figure 11: FIG. 11. Quantum-computer implementation of the SWAP-injected Yoshida–Kitaev decoder on [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p013_11.png]
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Figure 12. Figure 12: FIG. 12. Numerical diagnostic of the uniform-spreading [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p019_12.png]

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