Pith. sign in

REVIEW 1 cited by

Only Large Weights (And Not Skip Connections) Can Prevent the Perils of Rank Collapse

Not yet reviewed by Pith; the record is open.

This paper has not been read by Pith yet. Machine review is queued; the pith claim, tier, and objections will appear here once it completes.

SPECIMEN: schema-true, not a live event

T0 review · schema-true

One-sentence machine reading of the paper's core claim.

pith:XXXXXXXX · record.json · timestamp

arxiv 2505.16284 v1 pith:5P4JL4V3 submitted 2025-05-22 cs.LG

Only Large Weights (And Not Skip Connections) Can Prevent the Perils of Rank Collapse

classification cs.LG
keywords collapseweightsconnectionsskiplargelayertimeattention
verification ladder T0 review T1 audit T2 compute T3 formal T4 reserved
0 comments
read the original abstract

Attention mechanisms lie at the heart of modern large language models (LLMs). Straightforward algorithms for forward and backward (gradient) computation take quadratic time, and a line of work initiated by [Alman and Song NeurIPS 2023] and [Alman and Song NeurIPS 2024] has shown that quadratic time is necessary unless the model weights are small, in which case almost linear time algorithms are possible. In this paper, we show that large weights are necessary to avoid a strong preclusion to representational strength we call layer collapse, which means that the entire network can be approximated well by a network with only a single layer. Thus, the quadratic running time of attention is unavoidable for expressive transformers. The notion of layer collapse that we introduce is a variant on the notion of rank collapse from the work of [Dong, Cordonnier, and Loukas ICML 2021]. They showed that in Self Attention Networks with small weights and with skip connections, rank collapse must occur. This is typically interpreted as justifying the necessity of skip connections in expressive networks. However, our result shows that even with skip connections, if the weights are small, then layer collapse still occurs. Thus, only large weights, and not skip connections, can prevent these representational weaknesses.

discussion (0)

Sign in with ORCID, Apple, or X to comment. Anyone can read and Pith papers without signing in.

Forward citations

Cited by 1 Pith paper

Reviewed papers in the Pith corpus that reference this work. Sorted by Pith novelty score.

  1. Transforming Rank: How Architecture Navigates the Spectral Pathologies of Depth

    cs.LG 2026-07 conditional novelty 7.0

    Rank survival in Transformer blocks is governed by a branch-to-skip ratio law (βα^M√L), a mean-spike coherence c_ℓ=E[σ]²/E[σ²], and a Marchenko–Pastur width threshold m/d=1/p(σ).