REVIEW 4 major objections 5 minor 1 cited by
Quantile deep learning models for multi-step ahead time series prediction
T0 review · 4 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-12 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read Swapping the loss function of LSTM and CNN forecasters for quantile loss yields interval predictions without sacrificing point accuracy.
desk verdict Plausible internal comparison but the random 80:20 split leaks future information, so the headline forecasting claim is not yet supported; a temporal re-split and quantile calibration check could fix it. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The central object is the quantile (check) loss function $\rho_\tau(u) = u(\tau - \mathbb{1}_{u<0})$, applied to the output layer of standard recurrent and convolutional architectures. For each prediction horizon the network emits one value per target quantile (0.05, 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 0.95), and the median ($\tau = 0.5$) is used as the point forecast. The loss rewards under-prediction for high $\tau$ and over-prediction for low $\tau$, so the trained network's outputs spread into a conditional quantile band. This machinery is what carries the claim: it converts a single-output forecaster into a multi-quantile forecaster with no architectural change beyond the loss and output dimension.
What would settle it
Re-run the same models with a strict chronological split (train on the earliest 80% of dates, test on the most recent 20%), keep all other hyperparameters fixed, and compare the quantile models' median RMSE and their 90% interval coverage to the baselines. If the quantile models no longer match the baselines, or if coverage falls far below 90%, the paper's central claim would be contradicted.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is that integrating a quantile loss function with deep learning provides additional predictions for selected quantiles without a loss in prediction accuracy compared to conventional deep learning models, and that the resulting quantile models handle volatility more effectively. On Bitcoin and Ethereum daily close prices, the quantile encoder-decoder LSTM achieves the best or tied-best mean RMSE across five-step horizons, while also emitting 5th, 25th, 75th, and 95th percentile trajectories. The paper's stated objective is not to beat the existing models but to show that the quantile versions can provide uncertainty information 'for free' — matching point accuracy while adding a distributional view. The authors frame this as a form of extreme-value forecasting because the outer quantiles bound the range of possible outcomes.
Load-bearing premise
The load-bearing premise is that a randomly selected 80:20 split of a time series produces a valid test set for multi-step ahead forecasting; because training samples can come from after the test period, the reported RMSE measures interpolation within the same time span rather than genuine forward prediction.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Quantile loss can be dropped into BD-LSTM, Conv-LSTM, and ED-LSTM forecasters to produce 5th–95th percentile prediction bands while keeping point RMSE effectively unchanged.
- The median output of the quantile ED-LSTM is the most accurate and stable predictor on the cryptocurrency datasets and benchmarks tested.
- The framework offers a simple frequentist route to uncertainty quantification in multi-step ahead forecasting, complementing Bayesian neural networks.
- Practitioners in volatile domains such as crypto trading can obtain risk ranges directly from a single trained network instead of running ensemble or Bayesian methods.
- The ranking across architectures (ED-LSTM best, BD-LSTM least robust) persists in the quantile versions, suggesting architecture choice dominates loss-function choice.
Reading between the lines
- A chronological train/test split would likely be a stricter test; given the paper's random split, the reported RMSEs likely mix interpolation and extrapolation, so the parity claim may not survive out-of-sample.
- The paper does not measure quantile calibration (e.g., empirical coverage of the 90% interval); a coverage check on a temporal holdout would directly test whether the bands are trustworthy.
- The volatility-handling claim rests on tighter confidence intervals across runs; a sharper test would compare quantile-model errors during known high-volatility subperiods against baseline errors.
- The framework extends naturally to data imputation and climate extremes, as the authors note, but those uses would require enforcing non-negativity constraints the paper admits it omitted.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper introduces quantile-regression variants of BD-LSTM, ED-LSTM, and Conv-LSTM for multi-step ahead time series prediction, replacing the standard loss with the quantile check loss and reporting RMSE at five quantiles (0.05, 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 0.95). The models are evaluated on Bitcoin, Ethereum, Sunspot, Mackey-Glass, and Lorenz datasets, with univariate and multivariate input strategies. The central claims are that integrating a quantile loss function with deep learning provides additional quantile predictions without a loss in point-forecast accuracy relative to conventional models, and that the quantile models handle volatility more effectively.
Significance. If fully supported, the paper would provide a practical recipe for adding quantile outputs to standard deep forecasting models at negligible cost, with useful open-source code, reproducible 30-run experiments, and direct comparisons across several architectures. The accuracy-parity result is encouraging and the paper is clearly written in terms of model variants and loss functions. However, the current evaluation protocol measures interpolation on a randomly shuffled window pool rather than genuine multi-step ahead forecasting, and the absence of any probabilistic calibration metric leaves the central uncertainty-quantification claim undemonstrated. The paper also contains apparent data inconsistencies in the Ethereum tables that must be resolved before the empirical conclusions can be accepted.
major comments (4)
- [Section 3.5] The random 80:20 train-test split described in Section 3.5 leaks future information into the training set. Because the data are first converted into overlapping windows with input length d=6 and output length m=5 (Section 3.3), a random split of these windows places post-test observations in training and pre-test observations in testing. The reported RMSE values in Tables 2, 4, and 6 are therefore interpolation errors on a shuffled window pool, not errors of genuine multi-step-ahead forecasting. This also explains, rather than validates, the claimed volatility robustness: Section 3.5 explicitly randomizes so that COVID-era volatility appears in both training and test sets. The accuracy-parity claim and the volatility-handling claim should be re-evaluated with a temporal split (for example, the last 20% of the series as test) and with volatility-period-specific metrics.
- [Section 5] The comparison with Wu et al. [44] is not controlled. The paper contrasts the multivariate Quantile-ED-LSTM Bitcoin RMSE of 0.0112 with the 0.0373 reported by Wu et al. and attributes the difference to the 80:20 versus 70:30 split ratio. However, the two studies also differ in split mechanics (random window split versus the procedure used in [44]), in test-set composition, and potentially in preprocessing and hyperparameters, even though Section 3.3 relies on [44] for hyperparameters. The 0.0112 figure is itself produced under the leaking random split of the previous comment. This comparison should be removed or replaced with a head-to-head evaluation on identical temporal splits and preprocessing.
- [Tables 4 and 5] The Ethereum results contain apparent data errors. The multivariate ED-LSTM row in Table 4 (mean 0.0113; steps 0.0101, 0.0112, 0.0118, 0.0119, 0.0117) is identical to the multivariate ED-LSTM row for Bitcoin in Table 2, which is implausible for a different dataset. In addition, Table 5 reports a 0.5-quantile RMSE of 0.0137 for multivariate Quantile-ED-LSTM on Ethereum, whereas Table 4 reports a mean RMSE of 0.0126 for the same model and strategy; these two numbers should coincide because Section 3.2 states the median quantile is taken as the point prediction. The Ethereum-based conclusions in Section 4.1 and the rankings in Table 7 should be rechecked after correcting these entries.
- [Section 5 (Discussion)] The authors concede that 'We had no indication on how accurate our quantile predictions are.' Indeed, the paper never reports calibration, empirical coverage, pinball score, or quantile-crossing diagnostics for the estimated 5%-95% intervals; Tables 3 and 5 only report RMSE per quantile, which is not a proper scoring rule for distributional forecasts. Consequently, the Abstract's claim that the quantile model 'has the ability to handle volatility more effectively' is unsupported on its own terms, independent of the data-splitting issue. The paper should add proper probabilistic forecast evaluation (e.g., empirical coverage of the 5%-95% interval, interval score or pinball loss, and a high-volatility-period subsample analysis).
minor comments (5)
- [Section 2.1, Eq. (2)] Equation (2) appears to contain a typesetting error: the indicator function is written as '1u<0' without an explicit I(·), and the parentheses in ρτ(u) = u(τ− 1u<0)) are unbalanced.
- [Sections 2.1 and 3.2] The quantile notation is inconsistent: Section 2.1 uses τ, while Eq. (3) in Section 3.2 uses q; please unify the symbols.
- [Section 3.5] The sentence 'we use 64 filters with a kernel size of 2' appears twice in the same paragraph; please remove the duplicate.
- [Figure 3 caption] The caption contains the typo 'not explicitly suing in the recurrent neural network' instead of 'not explicitly shown in the recurrent neural network.'
- [Table 6] Table 6 reports only steps 2, 5, 8, and 10 despite the text describing 10-step horizons; please clarify whether these are representative steps and why intermediate steps are omitted.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: quantile-loss extension is tested against paired classic baselines under identical settings; the central claim does not reduce to its inputs.
full rationale
The paper's central claim—that adding quantile (pinball) loss to LSTM/CNN forecasters yields multi-quantile outputs without degrading point accuracy—is evaluated empirically by paired comparisons: each quantile model is compared with its classic counterpart trained under the same architectures, window sizes, and hyperparameters (Tables 2, 4, 6). No equation in the derivation defines the claimed output in terms of the input: the median-quantile prediction is used as the point forecast by assumption, but its RMSE is measured against held-out data rather than constructed from the training loss. The paper's self-citations ([44], [47], both from the same group) supply hyperparameters and baseline architectures, but they are not load-bearing for the central claim because the classic-vs-quantile contrast is internal and controlled under identical settings. The random 80:20 split in Section 3.5 is a genuine evaluation-validity concern: overlapping windows plus a random split mix future information into training, so the reported RMSEs measure interpolation rather than genuine multi-step out-of-sample forecasting, and the comparison with Wu et al. [44] is uncontrolled. This is a correctness risk, not circularity, because it does not make the quantile results equivalent to the inputs by construction. The Discussion's admission that 'we had no indication on how accurate our quantile predictions are' concedes missing calibration/coverage evaluation, again an evidential gap rather than a circular derivation. Overall, no step reduces to its own inputs.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (4)
- quantile set =
{0.05, 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 0.95}
- train-test split ratio =
80:20 random split
- input/output window sizes =
d=6 (input), m=5 (output) for crypto; d=5, m=10 for benchmarks
- network hyperparameters =
learning rate 1e-4; hidden sizes 50/100/20; Conv filters 64, kernel 2
assumptions (4)
- standard math Minimizing the quantile check loss (Eq. 3) yields consistent estimates of conditional quantiles.
- ad hoc to paper A random 80:20 split yields a test set representative of future conditions.
- domain assumption Sliding windows of length 6 preserve temporal dependencies.
- domain assumption Normalized RMSE values can be compared across studies with different normalization and splits.
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read the original abstract
Uncertainty quantification is crucial in time series prediction, and quantile regression offers a valuable mechanism for uncertainty quantification which is useful for extreme value forecasting. Although deep learning models have been prominent in multi-step ahead prediction, the development and evaluation of quantile deep learning models have been limited. We present a novel quantile regression deep learning framework for multi-step time series prediction. In this way, we elevate the capabilities of deep learning models by incorporating quantile regression, thus providing a more nuanced understanding of predictive values. We provide an implementation of prominent deep learning models for multi-step ahead time series prediction and evaluate their performance under high volatility and extreme conditions. We include multivariate and univariate modelling, strategies and provide a comparison with conventional deep learning models from the literature. Our models are tested on two cryptocurrencies: Bitcoin and Ethereum, using daily close-price data and selected benchmark time series datasets. The results show that integrating a quantile loss function with deep learning provides additional predictions for selected quantiles without a loss in the prediction accuracy when compared to the literature. Our quantile model has the ability to handle volatility more effectively and provides additional information for decision-making and uncertainty quantification through the use of quantiles when compared to conventional deep learning models.
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