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K-band spectra of five ultra-hot Jupiters are dominated by CO emission; thermal dissociation blocks reliable C/O ratios from this bandpass alone.
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load-bearing objection Solid uniform KPIC K-band sample of six UHJs with three new detections; morphology claim holds, C/O limits correctly flagged. the 2 major comments →
Atmospheric characterization of six ultra-hot Jupiters from K-band high-resolution spectroscopy
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Except for the hottest target KELT-9b, the six ultra-hot Jupiters observed with KPIC have K-band thermal-emission spectra dominated by CO emission features, accompanied by weak H2O or OH features consistent with thermal dissociation of water; the retrieved C and O abundances lie between 1 and 10 times solar, but dissociation prevents reliable C/O constraints from this bandpass alone.
What carries the argument
A uniform nested-sampling retrieval that fits a four-parameter Guillot pressure–temperature profile, orbital and rotational velocities, and free abundances of CO, H2O, OH and Fe, while imposing a Parmentier-style analytic vertical mixing profile for H2O (and a simple power-law profile for OH) so that thermal dissociation is accounted for without assuming full chemical equilibrium.
Load-bearing premise
That a simple one-dimensional temperature profile plus an analytic water-dissociation curve is enough to capture the real vertical and day–night structure once continuum information has already been removed by median division and PCA.
What would settle it
A joint retrieval of the same planets that adds H- or L-band data and recovers a tightly constrained C/O ratio inconsistent with the K-band-only posteriors, or shows that the CO and H2O emission peaks are systematically offset by more than a few km/s.
If this is right
- UHJs with equilibrium temperatures between roughly 2200 K and 3000 K should share CO-dominated K-band emission spectra with only residual water or OH.
- C/O and metallicity inferences drawn from K-band data alone for this population remain unreliable until dissociation is independently constrained.
- Expanding wavelength coverage to the H or L band is required to break the abundance–temperature degeneracy and place useful limits on oxygen carriers.
- Phase-resolved observations spanning both pre- and post-eclipse will be needed to separate Keplerian motion from possible day–night wind and abundance offsets.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Once wider-band data exist, the same pipeline could be used to test whether the refractory-to-volatile ratio is systematically super-solar, a formation diagnostic left open by the present C/O scatter.
- The weak or absent molecular signal from KELT-9b suggests a temperature threshold near 4000 K beyond which even CO is largely dissociated, offering a natural boundary for molecular versus atomic retrieval strategies.
- Kinematic offsets already visible between single-molecule cross-correlation maps imply that future codes must allow species-dependent velocity fields if abundances are not to be biased.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper reports new Keck/KPIC K-band high-resolution detections of three ultra-hot Jupiters (WASP-189b, MASCARA-1b, TOI-1518b) plus a tentative detection of KELT-9b, and reanalyzes prior KPIC data for WASP-33b and KELT-20b under a uniform free-chemistry and chemical-equilibrium retrieval framework. Free retrievals fit Guillot P–T parameters, kinematic offsets, rotational broadening, and abundances of CO, H2O, OH, and Fe with Parmentier-style parameterized vertical mixing for H2O/OH; equilibrium retrievals fit [C/H], [O/H], and [M/H]. Except for the much hotter KELT-9b, the retrieved spectra are CO-dominated beyond 2.3 µm with weak H2O/OH features consistent with thermal dissociation; carbon and oxygen abundances from detected species are 1–10× solar, but dissociation and continuum loss prevent reliable C/O constraints from K-band data alone. The authors conclude that wider wavelength and phase coverage are required.
Significance. Uniform multi-object KPIC analyses of UHJs remain rare; the paper supplies new detections, a consistent free-versus-equilibrium comparison, single-molecule Kp–Δvsys maps, and an explicit demonstration that nearly identical CO-dominated spectra can arise from widely different C/O posteriors. The free/equilibrium consistency checks, the mean-molecular-weight prior, and the transparent discussion of continuum and dissociation degeneracies are genuine strengths. If the morphology claim holds, the work usefully calibrates expectations for K-band-only UHJ retrievals and motivates joint optical/IR or H+K analyses.
major comments (2)
- §3.3 and Fig. 9: The free-chemistry KELT-9b solution prefers an H2O-dominated spectrum that the authors themselves flag as inconsistent with chemical expectations and with literature (optical Fe, SPIRou Fe/OH/CO). The equilibrium retrieval recovers a more plausible Fe/CO atmosphere at SNR = 5.0. Because the abstract and summary statements treat KELT-9b as a distinct (molecule-poor) case, the free-retrieval H2O solution should either be demoted more clearly to a cautionary example of low-SNR failure or the bluest-order omission tests should be elevated to the fiducial result for this target.
- §2.3.4–2.3.5 and Figs. 5–8: Continuum information is lost to median division/PCA; the log-normal scale-factor prior only partially breaks the temperature–abundance degeneracy. The paper already shows continuum levels differing from blackbody expectations by factors of ~2–4 and free/equilibrium C/O posteriors that can flip while producing nearly identical spectra. The central claim that C/O cannot be recovered from K-band alone is therefore well supported, but the reported 1–10× solar abundance range remains prior- and parameterization-dependent; a short quantitative sensitivity test (e.g., relaxing the MMW penalty or the scale-factor prior width) would strengthen the abundance statements.
minor comments (6)
- Abstract and §1: SNR values quoted for the new detections (7.2, 8.6, 7.1, 5.0) do not always match the Kp–Δvsys SNRs in Fig. 3 (e.g., KELT-9b listed as 5.0 vs. 6.7). Clarify which metric is used throughout.
- Table 1 note and §2.1.6: The adopted Kp = 198 km s−1 for TOI-1518b is an ad-hoc average of discrepant literature values; state the impact on the retrieved ΔKp posterior more explicitly.
- §2.3.1: The choice of six PCA components is justified by residual inspection, but a brief quantitative comparison (e.g., Δlog Z or residual variance) across 4/6/8 components for the weaker detections would help readers assess robustness.
- Fig. 6: The blackbody comparison curves are useful; adding the contribution-function-weighted continuum or a simple H−-included model for the hottest targets would make the continuum discrepancy discussion more concrete.
- Typographical: “Except for \knb” in the abstract appears to be a macro error; several sentences in §3.1–3.2 repeat “the the”.
- §4.3: The discussion of kinematic offsets correctly notes that ephemeris and LSF uncertainties preclude wind measurements; a short statement of the expected systematic floor (~4–5 km s−1 from LSF) would help non-specialists.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: observational detections and free/equilibrium retrievals rest on new KPIC spectra plus external parameterizations (Guillot, Parmentier); self-citations are methodological background only.
full rationale
The paper's load-bearing claims (CO-dominated K-band emission for five UHJs, weak H2O/OH consistent with dissociation, 1–10× solar C/O-bearing abundances, and inability to constrain C/O from K-band alone) are obtained by applying a standard nested-sampling retrieval (petitRADTRANS + MultiNest + Gibson log-likelihood) to newly reduced KPIC time series. The Guillot P–T form, Parmentier analytic H2O mixing profile, and power-law OH profile are taken from external literature and used as flexible parameterizations whose free parameters are fitted to the data; free-versus-equilibrium consistency checks (Figs. 6–8) and single-molecule Kp–Δvsys maps (Fig. 4) then demonstrate the resulting degeneracies rather than assuming them away. Self-citations (Finnerty et al. 2023, 2025a,b) supply only the reduction pipeline, LSF scaling, and prior choices; they do not define the reported SNRs, abundances, or spectral morphology. No fitted quantity is re-labeled a prediction, no uniqueness theorem is imported, and no ansatz is smuggled as a derivation. The analysis is therefore self-contained against the new spectra and external tools; the minor self-citation score of 1 reflects ordinary methodological continuity, not circular reduction of the central claims.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (4)
- Guillot P–T parameters (log κ, log γ, Tint, Tequ)
- log VMRs of H2O, 12CO, OH, Fe, 13CO (free retrieval) or [C/H], [O/H], [M/H] (equilibrium)
- ΔKp, Δvsys, vrot, scale factor
- Number of PCA components omitted (fiducial = 6)
axioms (5)
- domain assumption 1-D plane-parallel atmosphere with Guillot (2010) analytic P–T profile is an adequate description for dayside emission retrievals
- domain assumption Parmentier et al. (2018) analytic expression plus power-law OH profile captures vertical mixing of H2O and OH under dissociation
- domain assumption H− continuum opacity can be omitted in the K band without biasing relative line strengths
- domain assumption PCA + median division + Gibson (2020) likelihood correctly removes stellar/telluric signals while preserving planetary information
- ad hoc to paper Mean-molecular-weight penalty (Gaussian above 2.8 amu) prevents unphysical metal-rich solutions
read the original abstract
We present new Keck/KPIC high-resolution spectroscopic detections of three ultra-hot Jupiters (UHJs) in the $K$ band: WASP-189b ($\rm SNR = 7.2$), MASCARA-1b ($\rm SNR = 8.6$), and TOI-1518b ($\rm SNR = 7.1$), as well as a tentative detection of KELT-9b ($\rm SNR = 5.0$). We perform a uniform set of atmospheric retrieval analysis on these objects, as well as previously reported KPIC observations of WASP-33b ($\rm SNR = 11.2$) and KELT-20b ($\rm SNR = 10.5$), We perform atmospheric retrievals for the pressure-temperature ($P-T$) profile, orbital velocity parameters, $v\sin i$, and abundances of CO, H$_2$O, OH, and Fe, with parameterized mixing profiles to account for the expected vertical abundance variations of H$_2$O and OH. We also perform a set of retrievals assuming chemical equilibrium, which are generally in good agreement with the free retrievals. Except for \knb, the retrieved spectra are dominated by CO emission features, with additional weak H$_2$O or OH features consistent with thermal dissociation of H$_2$O. \knb, which is significantly hotter, appears to have very weak molecular features. Dissociation limits our ability to reliably constrain H$_2$O or OH abundances from $K$ band data alone, resulting in poor constraints on the C/O ratio. For all objects, the atmospheric abundances from detected carbon and oxygen species are $1-10\times$ solar. These results highlight the importance of wide spectral coverage for high-resolution retrievals. Additional observations to expand phase and wavelength coverage are needed to better constrain oxygen species and possible spatial inhomogeneities from dissociation.
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