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Reinforcement learning internalizes visual localization into textual chain-of-thought for multimodal models.

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2026-06-28 23:02 UTC pith:EKTWO4O3

load-bearing objection The paper's dual-stream RL with consistency reward aims to internalize visual localization into textual CoT so explicit boxes aren't needed at inference, but the evidence that this actually transfers localization skill rather than just text matching is not yet convincing. the 2 major comments →

arxiv 2605.31096 v1 pith:EKTWO4O3 submitted 2026-05-29 cs.CV

iVGR: Internalizing Visually Grounded Reasoning for MLLMs with Reinforcement Learning

Chang-Bin Zhang , Yujie Zhong , Qiang Zhang , Kai Han This is my paper
classification cs.CV
keywords multimodal large language modelschain-of-thought reasoningreinforcement learningvisual groundingfine-grained perception
verification ladder T0 review T1 audit T2 compute T3 formal T4 reserved

The pith

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The paper finds that requiring multimodal models to output explicit object boxes during chain-of-thought reasoning often lowers accuracy on fine-grained tasks compared with plain textual reasoning. It proposes that the model can instead absorb localization ability into its normal text reasoning if trained properly. The method uses reinforcement learning with two parallel streams—one that reasons in text only and one that has access to visual grounding—and aligns them with a consistency reward so the text stream learns to localize without ever producing boxes. If this holds, models can reach higher performance on detailed visual questions while remaining free to use external tools at inference time.

Core claim

Mandating explicit object boxes in visually grounded CoT during inference degrades performance relative to standard textual CoT; a dual-stream reinforcement learning procedure with a consistency reward transfers localization skill into the textual reasoning process, yielding higher accuracy on fine-grained benchmarks without requiring explicit grounding at test time.

What carries the argument

Dual-stream training in which a textual reasoning stream is aligned to a visually grounded stream through a consistency reward inside reinforcement learning.

Load-bearing premise

The visual localization capability can be internalized into the textual chain-of-thought without explicit grounding at inference.

What would settle it

A controlled test in which the model trained with the consistency reward performs no better than, or worse than, a model that continues to output explicit boxes on the same fine-grained benchmarks.

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If this is right

  • Models achieve higher accuracy on fine-grained visual benchmarks than prior baselines.
  • The trained model supports both pure text reasoning and optional tool-assisted inference workflows.
  • Explicit visual grounding steps become unnecessary once localization has been internalized.
  • The consistency reward successfully transfers grounding behavior from the visual stream to the text stream.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Training cost rises during the dual-stream phase but inference cost drops because box prediction is eliminated.
  • The same alignment technique might apply to other cases where an auxiliary capability interferes with the main output objective.
  • If the consistency reward generalizes, similar internalization could be attempted for other visual or multimodal skills that are currently expressed only through explicit intermediate outputs.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript presents iVGR, a reinforcement learning framework for MLLMs that employs a dual-stream training strategy (textual stream aligned to a visually grounded stream) with a proposed consistency reward. The central claim is that this internalizes visual localization capability into textual CoT, avoiding performance degradation from explicit object boxes at inference while outperforming baselines on fine-grained benchmarks and supporting tool-assisted workflows.

Significance. If the empirical results and the internalization mechanism hold, the work addresses a practical limitation of visually grounded CoT by demonstrating a viable transfer mechanism via RL, potentially improving fine-grained perception in MLLMs without sacrificing inference flexibility. The dual-stream consistency approach is a concrete, testable contribution that could generalize beyond the reported setting.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that the method 'significantly outperforms existing baselines on fine-grained benchmarks' is presented without any metrics, dataset names, ablation controls, or significance tests. This absence directly impairs evaluation of the central empirical claim and must be addressed with concrete numbers from the experiments section.
  2. [Section 3.2] Section 3.2 (consistency reward definition): the reward aligns textual-stream outputs to the grounded stream. Because the reward is output-matching rather than feature-level, it is possible for the textual stream to achieve high reward via language-only pattern copying without ever using visual features for localization. An ablation that degrades or removes visual input to the grounded stream (or measures attention on visual tokens in the textual stream) is required to substantiate the internalization hypothesis; without it the central claim remains unverified.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Section 3] Notation for the two streams and the consistency reward should be introduced with explicit symbols or a small diagram in Section 3 to improve readability.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

2 responses · 0 unresolved

We thank the referee for the constructive feedback and recognition of the dual-stream consistency approach. We address each major comment below.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that the method 'significantly outperforms existing baselines on fine-grained benchmarks' is presented without any metrics, dataset names, ablation controls, or significance tests. This absence directly impairs evaluation of the central empirical claim and must be addressed with concrete numbers from the experiments section.

    Authors: We agree that the abstract would be strengthened by including specific quantitative results. In the revised manuscript we will update the abstract to report key metrics, dataset names, and references to the ablation studies and significance tests already present in the experiments section. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Section 3.2] Section 3.2 (consistency reward definition): the reward aligns textual-stream outputs to the grounded stream. Because the reward is output-matching rather than feature-level, it is possible for the textual stream to achieve high reward via language-only pattern copying without ever using visual features for localization. An ablation that degrades or removes visual input to the grounded stream (or measures attention on visual tokens in the textual stream) is required to substantiate the internalization hypothesis; without it the central claim remains unverified.

    Authors: This concern is valid: output matching alone does not automatically guarantee that the textual stream has internalized visual localization rather than performing language-only copying. While the grounded stream's outputs are produced from visual inputs, an explicit ablation is needed to confirm the mechanism. We will add the requested ablation (degrading or removing visual input to the grounded stream) in the revised manuscript and report its effect on textual-stream performance. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity detected; derivation relies on externally defined RL components

full rationale

The paper proposes iVGR as a dual-stream RL method with a consistency reward to internalize visual grounding into textual CoT. No equations, fitted parameters, or self-citations are shown that reduce any prediction or central claim to a self-referential definition or input by construction. The consistency reward is defined externally between streams, and the method is presented as a novel framework without load-bearing self-references or ansatzes smuggled via citation. The derivation chain is self-contained against external benchmarks.

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Pith. "Pith review of iVGR: Internalizing Visually Grounded Reasoning for MLLMs with Reinforcement Learning." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/EKTWO4O3

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  year         = {2026},
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  note         = {Machine review of arXiv:2605.31096}
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While visually grounded Chain-of-Thought (CoT) has emerged as a promising paradigm to enhance fine-grained perception in multimodal large language models (MLLMs), its efficacy during the inference phase remains underexplored. In this work, we empirically find that mandating explicit object boxes in visually grounded CoT during inference often degrades performance compared to standard textual CoT, which reasons without explicit visual grounding. We hypothesize that the visual localization capability can be internalized into the textual CoT and that the mandatory explicit grounding introduces unnecessary interference with the model's primary objective of answer prediction. To address this problem, we propose Internalizing Visually Grounded Reasoning (\textbf{iVGR}), a novel reinforcement learning framework that transfers localization capabilities into the textual reasoning process. We employ a dual-stream training strategy, where a textual stream is aligned with a high-quality visually grounded stream via a proposed consistency reward, enabling the model to localize accurately without explicit grounding during inference. Extensive experiments demonstrate that our method significantly outperforms existing baselines on fine-grained benchmarks, while maintaining the flexibility to support tool-assisted inference workflows.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.31096 by Chang-Bin Zhang, Kai Han, Qiang Zhang, Yujie Zhong.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Paradigms of visually grounded reasoning. (a) Tool￾based approaches rely on dynamically invoking crop tools to acquire fine-grained visual details. (b) Explicit grounding ap￾proaches mandate the generation of bounding boxes interleaved within the CoT, eliminating external tools. (c) iVGR (ours) intro￾duces a dual-stream training strategy. By utilizing a consistency reward to align the textual stream with a… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Relationship between accuracy and localization qual￾ity (IoU). Using HR8K (Wang et al., 2025e), questions are grouped based on the IoU of the generated grounded CoT, and accuracy is calculated for each IoU interval. hypothesize that inaccurate crops introduce visual noise, which negatively impacts downstream answer prediction. For TreeVGR (Wang et al., 2025a) (see Figure 2b), however, visually grounded CoT… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Illustration of the proposed method. We employ a dual-stream training strategy consisting of a grounded stream and a textual stream. The grounded stream mandates the prediction of bounding box coordinates within the CoT when referring to objects. In parallel, the textual stream performs standard natural language reasoning, where a consistency reward is introduced to align its semantic logic with high-quali… view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Analysis of training dynamics. (a) Evolution of accuracy and specific rewards (box reward for the grounded stream; consistency reward for the textual stream) throughout the training process. (b-c) Distribution of consistency scores among (b) correctly predicted samples and (c) incorrectly predicted samples. (d) The hit rate of the rollout archive, representing the frequency with which historical best rollo… view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Qualitative comparison between models trained with and without consistency reward. performance on these specific natural image VQA benchmarks, we retain this subset in our final configuration to preserve the model’s robust generalization capabilities across diverse visual domains. D.2. Comparison with the Cold-Start Model We report detailed performance of cold-start models via textual CoT in [PITH_FULL_IM… view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Qualitative comparison between grounded CoT and textual CoT in our method. it associates the trailer with a nearby region containing a blue object, and consequently reports an incorrect color. In contrast, iVGR correctly attends to the actual trailer region and identifies its color as orange. This example illustrates how the consistency reward sharpens the textual stream’s implicit localization, leading to… view at source ↗

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    Score 0.0:Target CoT containsANYcontradiction or conflict with Reference CoT’s image descriptions

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    Score 0.3:Target CoT hasNOcontradiction, BUT itBOTH: •Contains descriptions/detailsNOTpresent in Reference CoT,AND •Misses some descriptions/details thatAREpresent in Reference CoT

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    Score 0.7:Target CoT hasNOcontradiction, BUTONEof the following: •Contains descriptions/detailsNOTpresent in Reference CoT,OR •Misses some descriptions/details thatAREpresent in Reference CoT

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    Score 1.0: Target CoT’s image descriptions areFULL Y CONSISTENTwith Reference CoT – no contradiction, no extra details, no missing details. Input: Question:{question} Reference CoT (with boxes, assume correct):{reference_think} Target CoT (without boxes):{target_think} Output: Output ONL Y the score (0.0, 0.3, 0.7, or 1.0), nothing else. Score: B. Trainin...

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