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The paper claims that the perceptual evidence a vision-language model gathers by calling external spatial tools—localization, segmentation, depth, pose—can be converted into training supervision, letting a small model reason about space acc

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load-bearing objection Genuinely new pipeline, unusually thorough ablations, but the transfer claim is hostage to an unproven train/eval disjointness on BOPASK. the 4 major comments →

arxiv 2607.27703 v1 pith:EZV5JO5V submitted 2026-07-30 cs.AI

SpatialCLI: Learning to Reason With Spatial Tools, Then Without Them

classification cs.AI
keywords spatial reasoningvision-language modelstool-augmented agentscapability internalizationreinforcement learningperceptual distillationcompositional benchmarkingembodied AI
verification ladder T0 review T1 audit T2 compute T3 formal T4 reserved

The pith

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper asks whether a vision-language model can absorb the specialist perceptual skills of external tools by practicing with those tools and then converting its own successful tool-use experiences into training data. It answers yes, with a three-stage recipe: equip the model with spatial tools, fine-tune it to use them well, then verbalize successful tool-use trajectories into reasoning chains and train the model to answer directly without the tools while still retaining tool-use ability. On a new 516-question compositional benchmark, this lifts an 8-billion-parameter model from 35.3% to 72.7% without tools and 91.3% with tools; similar gains appear on an existing spatial benchmark. If correct, the work shows a path toward models that carry specialist perception in their own weights and treat external tools as optional augmentation—useful for embodied agents that must act under limited compute or connectivity.

Core claim

On its own terms, the paper's central claim is that perceptual evidence accumulated during tool interaction can be converted into supervision that lets a VLM internalize specialist perceptual capabilities. The mechanism is trajectory-guided internalization: successful reason-and-act tool-use trajectories are first consolidated turn by turn into evidence units, then globally verbalized into a tool-free perceptual reasoning chain, and finally trained through a dual view—one objective for direct reasoning and one for tool use. The authors report that the resulting model, SpatialCLI-8B, improves from 29.3% to 84.6% with tools and retains 73.8% without tools on MindCube, and reaches 91.3% with to

What carries the argument

The load-bearing machinery is the three-stage Call-Learn-Internalize loop. Call exposes four specialist vision models—localization, segmentation, depth, and pose—as callable tools inside an interleaved reason-and-act agent loop. Learn uses Cold-Start SFT followed by agentic RL with group-relative policy optimization to make the model plan tool calls, parse structured returns, and terminate correctly. Internalize takes successful trajectories and turns them into supervision: a turn-wise evidence consolidator verbalizes each tool result into an evidence unit, a global verbalizer merges the units into a single perceptual reasoning chain, and Dual-View Capability Internalization jointly optimize

Load-bearing premise

The headline numbers stand only if the training pool never overlapped with the evaluation images and if the benchmark answers are genuinely determined by what is visible in the images rather than by the same tool outputs the model is trained to imitate.

What would settle it

Swap the four specialist backends for different but equally accurate implementations at evaluation time, and run a near-duplicate search between the 37,000-task training pool and every evaluation image; if the without-tools score collapses or overlap is found, the claimed internalization is largely memorization.

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If this is right

  • If the claim holds, a VLM can be given specialist perception it did not originally have, simply by practicing with tools and then training on its own successful traces.
  • Tool use and direct reasoning do not have to be traded off: the final model keeps both, so an agent can fall back on built-in skills when tools are unavailable or budget-limited.
  • The recipe should help weaker base models most, since tool augmentation gave the largest gains for the smallest model tested; this suggests a way to upgrade cheaper deployed models.
  • Internalization continues to improve with more trajectory data and larger models even after tool-use performance plateaus, so the bottleneck is converting tool evidence into training data.
  • Compositional spatial questions that require coordinating several capabilities at once expose a failure mode that isolated single-capability tests miss.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Because the benchmark answers were retained only in cases where specialist-tool evidence unambiguously supported them, the with-tools comparison may be structurally favorable to this method; an independent audit with answers derived from different tool backends would test this.
  • The same Call-Learn-Internalize loop could be applied to any structured expert—program interpreters, simulators, or retrieval engines—turning external capabilities into model weights, not just spatial perception.
  • The without-tools gains are the strong claim; if they survive a leakage audit, then a self-improving loop is possible: the internalized model can generate new trajectories, verbalize them, and train again, compounding the skill without external tools.
  • A sharper test of internalization would evaluate the model against tool outputs from unseen specialist backends; if the model reproduces only the exact training tools' formats, the capability is tool-specific imitation rather than general spatial understanding.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

4 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper proposes SpatialCLI, a three-stage framework (Call–Learn–Internalize) that equips a VLM with four specialist spatial tools (Locate, Segment, Depth, Pose), fine-tunes the model to use them via Cold-Start SFT and GRPO-style agentic RL, and then verbalizes successful tool-use trajectories into tool-free CoT supervision to internalize the specialist perceptual capabilities. The authors also introduce SpatialCLI-Bench, a 516-example compositional VQA benchmark, and report large gains: Qwen3-VL-8B-Instruct rises from 29.3% to 84.6% with tools and 73.8% without tools on MindCube, reaching 91.3% with and 72.7% without tools on SpatialCLI-Bench, with additional gains on MMSI, DA-2K, and BOPASK.

Significance. If the reported results are valid, this is a substantial contribution: it provides a concrete, well-ablated recipe for transferring specialist perceptual capabilities into VLM weights, shows that tool use and tool-free reasoning can coexist, and introduces a benchmark for compositional spatial reasoning. The paper also ships code, model weights, and a dataset, and includes extensive ablations (Tables 2–3, 9–12; Figures 3–4) plus a dedicated capability-internalization metric (CII). These strengths make the framework independently useful regardless of the final verdict on the headline numbers. However, the central transfer claim — that the model internalizes specialist perception rather than memorizes evaluation answers — rests on training/evaluation disjointness, which is asserted but not demonstrated, and on the fairness of the new benchmark, which is constructed using the same tools that are used for evaluation.

major comments (4)
  1. [B.1 vs §4.1, Table 1] B.1 lists the shared 37,000-task training pool as including 10,000 tasks from BOPASK-Trajectory and 10,000 from BOPASK-Object-Rearrangement. §4.1 evaluates exactly the 'Trajectory' and 'Object-Rearrangement' subsets of BOPASK. No split, sample-identity check, or deduplication procedure is given. As written, the B.1 assertion that training data have 'no textual or visual overlap with any benchmark evaluated' is contradicted by the use of the same named subsets. This directly threatens the w/o-Tools BOPASK gains in Table 1 (54.6/52.3 vs 25.8/13.3) and the macro-average. The authors must provide per-sample disjointness evidence (e.g., image-hash and text dedup) or remove/relabel these subsets.
  2. [B.1, C.2] The no-overlap claim is also load-bearing for MindCube and SpatialCLI-Bench. The training pool contains 10,000 MindCube-Train tasks, while C.2 states that 195 of the 516 SpatialCLI-Bench examples reuse image data from the existing MindCubeBench evaluation set. Without a demonstrated split or deduplication between MindCube-Train and MindCubeBench, and between those images and the MindCube-derived benchmark samples, the w/o-Tools gains on MindCube (73.8 vs 29.3) and on the MindCube portion of SpatialCLI-Bench could reflect image or answer exposure during SFT, RL, or internalization rather than capability transfer. The paper needs a concrete dedup protocol and a report of how many training images share exact or near-duplicate content with each evaluation set.
  3. [§4.2, Table 1] All headline numbers are reported as point estimates with no error bars, confidence intervals, or significance tests. B.2 says evaluations use temperature 1.0 and three runs without fixed seeds, so run-to-run variance is unknown. Many comparative statements — e.g., 'the best result in each column', 'outperform AlloSpatial on every subset', and the claimed parity or advantage of SpatialCLI-8B over larger models — rely on differences as small as 0.1–1.0 points. The paper should report per-run results or standard deviations, and ideally significance tests for the close comparisons that support the 'consistent gains' narrative.
  4. [C.4–C.5, §4.2] SpatialCLI-Bench is constructed using the same four specialist tools that SpatialCLI is trained to invoke: Gemini 3.1 Pro generates answers conditioned on specialist-tool evidence, candidates are filtered when evidence is missing or ambiguous, and humans validate only examples where the filtered evidence supports a unique answer (71.67% retention). Evaluating models 'w/ Tools' therefore rewards alignment with the exact tool stack that defined the answers, which is structurally favorable to SpatialCLI over models that did not train with that stack. This does not invalidate the benchmark for measuring tool-augmented compositional reasoning, but the authors should (a) test sensitivity by swapping in alternative tool implementations (e.g., a different open-vocabulary detector/segmenter), and (b) report how many benchmark answers would change if tool outputs were noisier or if ambiguous-evide
minor comments (5)
  1. [Abstract/§1] The word 'Learn' is rendered as 'L earn' in the abstract and in the first occurrence of the stage list in §1.
  2. [Table 1] The column header 'ObjRrr' appears to be a typo for 'Object-Rearrangement'.
  3. [B.2] The evaluation details say 'We report the mean over three evaluation runs, without fixing evaluation seeds.' Since the main tables provide no variance information, the authors should either fix seeds and report the single run, or provide run-level values so the reader can assess stability.
  4. [Appendix A, Algorithm 1] The pseudocode line 15 says 'eDSFT ← {Interact(πteach, x, U, B) : x ...}', but the SFT dataset is later filtered by correctness; consider noting the filtering step explicitly in the pseudocode for clarity.
  5. [References] Reference [41] is cited as the implementation of verl, but the reference title is 'HybridFlow: A flexible and efficient RLHF framework.' Please clarify the relationship or update the citation.

Circularity Check

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No by-construction circularity; the pipeline is a standard distillation-and-fine-tuning recipe. Main risks are data-disjointness and tool-derived benchmark answers, which are validity concerns, not circular reductions.

full rationale

The claimed derivation is an empirical training pipeline: specialist tools provide evidence; SFT/RL train tool use; successful trajectories are verbalized into reasoning chains and used as SFT targets; the final model is evaluated w/ and w/o tools on external benchmarks. None of these stages defines a target in terms of the claimed result. The CII metric defines internalization as similarity to specialist-tool outputs, but it is evaluated on held-out examples and is a direct measurement of the training objective rather than a hidden re-use of the fitted values. SpatialCLI-Bench answers are intentionally generated from specialist-tool evidence; this makes the benchmark tool-grounded but does not force the w/ Tools or w/o Tools results, since all baselines receive the same tools and the internalized model must produce answers without tools. The one serious concern is Appendix B.1/B.2: the 37k-task training pool explicitly includes MindCube-Train and BOPASK-Trajectory/Object-Rearrangement, while evaluation uses MindCube and BOPASK Trajectory/Object-Rearrangement; the paper asserts 'no textual or visual overlap' but provides no split or deduplication evidence. This is a missing-support/leakage risk, not a circular reduction by construction, so it does not raise the circularity score above 2. Self-citations ([19], [29]) are not load-bearing. Overall: no identified circular step.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

3 free parameters · 4 axioms · 0 invented entities

The framework introduces no invented entities: the four 'spatial tools' are interfaces wrapping existing published models (Grounding DINO, SAM 3, Depth Anything 3, VGGT, etc.), CII is a metric, and SpatialCLI-Bench is a dataset. The load-bearing free parameters are the dual-view weight λ (sensitivity-tested), the BOPASK Chamfer threshold, and the evaluation decoding config. The key axioms are specialist-tool reliability, teacher-model reliability, data disjointness, and evaluation stability.

free parameters (3)
  • λ (Tool-Use View loss weight) = 0.5
    Balances internalization and tool-policy retention in L_CI = L_internal + λ L_agentic (§3.3). F.4 shows λ=1.5 collapses w/o Tools from 72.7 to 62.9; the headline results are sensitive to this hand-chosen value.
  • BOPASK per-sample Chamfer threshold = 0.15
    Eq. 3: score = max(0, 1 - d_CD/0.15). This hand-chosen threshold defines the RL trajectory reward and the evaluation metric for the BOPASK columns, coupling training and evaluation.
  • Evaluation decoding hyperparameters = T=1.0, top-p=0.95, top-k=20, presence penalty=1.5
    §B.2: applied to all models, but presence penalty 1.5 is an unusual hand-chosen setting; scores are reported as means over three seeds-unfixed runs, so the setting materially shapes every Table 1 number.
axioms (4)
  • domain assumption Specialist vision models provide reliable perceptual evidence sufficient to serve both as runtime tools and as benchmark ground truth.
    Invoked in §3.1 and C.4. The framework and all SpatialCLI-Bench answers assume SAM 3, Depth Anything 3, VGGT, and friends are accurate; the paper itself notes monocular depth 'can be noisy' (Box D.3).
  • domain assumption Qwen3.5-397B-A17B generates correct tool trajectories and faithful verbalizations (Ψ_ext and Φ_verb) without inventing evidence.
    §3.2-3.3, B.1: ≈2,000 SFT trajectories and ≈42,000 internalization targets are teacher-produced. Any teacher error or hallucinated verbalization propagates into the trained model's reasoning.
  • domain assumption Training data and evaluation benchmarks are disjoint.
    Asserted in B.1 without a demonstrated deduplication procedure; this is load-bearing for interpreting the w/o Tools gains as capability transfer rather than memorization.
  • domain assumption Three evaluation runs without fixed seeds provide stable enough estimates to compare systems differing by 1-2 points.
    §B.2 reports means over three runs with no variance; Table 1 treats small differences as meaningful. This is an unstated statistical assumption.

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Vision-language models (VLMs) are increasingly used in embodied agents to interpret visual inputs, reason about spatial relationships, and make task-level decisions based on that reasoning. However, a fundamental capability mismatch remains: general VLMs can reason about the overall task but often miss the visual details that determine success, while specialist vision models can capture those details but cannot translate them into task-level decisions. In this work, we propose SpatialCLI, a framework that teaches VLMs to reason with spatial tools and progressively internalize the specialist perceptual capabilities they provide. SpatialCLI proceeds in three stages: (1) Call exposes specialist vision models as spatial tools to augment the VLM's perception; (2) Learn uses Cold-Start SFT and agentic RL to improve tool use; and (3) Internalize verbalizes successful tool-use trajectories to internalize specialist perceptual capabilities. We further introduce SpatialCLI-Bench, a 516-example benchmark for compositional perception across localization, segmentation, depth, and pose. On MindCube, SpatialCLI raises Qwen3-VL-8B-Instruct from 29.3% to 84.6% with tools, surpassing GPT-5.6 Sol with tools (72.1%), while retaining 73.8% without tools after internalization.

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