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Pinning the contact line in a vibrated cylinder couples independently evolving radial modes, so the fastest-growing interface disturbance becomes a superposition of Rayleigh–Taylor-unstable and Faraday-stable components.

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A Floquet stability analysis predicts coupled Rayleigh-Taylor and Faraday instability onset and mode structure in vibrated cylinders, including hybrid modes when the contact line is pinned.

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load-bearing objection A well-validated Floquet framework for coupled RT–Faraday instabilities in cylinders; the pinned-contact-line coupling holds up, and the reader's free-sliding concern dissolves under scrutiny. the 2 major comments →

arxiv 2607.28932 v1 pith:KJXF6UOU submitted 2026-07-31 physics.flu-dyn

Coupled Rayleigh--Taylor and Faraday instabilities in vertically vibrated cylindrical containers

Tianyi Chu , Benjamin Wilfong , Timothy Koehler , Ryan M. McMullen , Spencer H. Bryngelson This is my paper
classification physics.flu-dyn PACS 47.20.Ma
keywords Rayleigh-Taylor instabilityFaraday instabilityFloquet analysiscylindrical containerpinned contact lineBessel modesdynamic stabilizationmultiphase flow
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This paper analyzes what happens when two classic fluid instabilities act on the same interface: Rayleigh–Taylor growth from an upside-down density contrast, and Faraday waves driven by vertical vibration. In an unbounded plane these mechanisms select different wavelengths, and standard theory treats them separately. The paper shows that a cylindrical wall and a pinned contact line change the story: confinement discretizes the allowed radial modes, and pinning the rim forces modes that would otherwise evolve independently to combine. As a result, the onset mode can be a superposition of an RT-unstable part and a Faraday-stable part, changing the instability mechanism itself rather than merely shifting a threshold. The analysis recovers the classical RT and Faraday limits, matches measured Faraday onset frequencies, and gives the full linear velocity fields that imaging cannot resolve.

Core claim

The central claim is that in a vertically vibrated cylindrical container the two instabilities do not simply add or compete; lateral confinement and the contact-line condition determine whether they can be treated independently. With a free-sliding interface, increasing vibration amplitude drives a documented sequence—RT-dominated harmonic growth, then subharmonic Faraday response, then harmonic Faraday response—and confinement can stabilize RT modes that would remain unstable in an unbounded domain. With a pinned contact line, the zero-displacement condition at the rim couples radial Bessel modes, and the admissible onset mode is a superposition of RT-unstable and Faraday-stable components.

What carries the argument

The analysis rests on a Floquet decomposition of the interface and velocity field into azimuthal wavenumbers, radial Bessel modes (indexed by radial wavenumbers satisfying the no-penetration wall condition), and Floquet harmonics. The central objects are generalized eigenvalue problems that determine the leading Floquet exponent for each mode. For the free-sliding case the radial modes decouple; for the pinned case the rim condition is imposed through a projection that mixes the homogeneous capillary solution (modified Bessel functions) with the particular Bessel solutions. That mixing is the mechanism that couples RT-unstable and Faraday-stable components.

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise in the free-sliding analysis is that the homogeneous capillary contribution to the interface displacement can be set to zero; if the pressure-jump condition requires a nonzero homogeneous solution even when the contact line is free, the predicted mode-by-mode RT-to-Faraday transition sequence would change.

What would settle it

One concrete check is to solve the full free-sliding pressure-jump condition without imposing ζ^(H)=0 and compare the resulting Floquet exponents with the paper's predictions; if nonzero homogeneous solutions shift the stabilization amplitudes, the transition sequence fails. A second check is experimental: in a vibrated cylinder with an adverse density contrast and pinned rim, measure the onset frequencies and radial ring counts and test whether they match the predicted RT-unstable/Faraday-stable superpositions rather than any free-sliding single mode.

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If this is right

  • In a free-sliding cylinder, each initially unstable RT mode has a finite vibration-amplitude window in which it is dynamically stabilized before subharmonic Faraday growth takes over; the sequence RT, subharmonic Faraday, harmonic Faraday holds for low-lying radial modes.
  • Because the smallest admissible radial wavenumber is bounded away from zero in a confined cylinder, one finite vibration amplitude can stabilize all RT-unstable radial modes; this is impossible in an unbounded domain, where arbitrarily long wavelengths remain unstable.
  • With a pinned rim, the lowest onset mode can show more than three radial rings even at first instability, whereas Faraday-only pinned onsets typically show a single ring.
  • The predicted linear velocity fields give a complete spatiotemporal picture—radial, azimuthal, and axial components—including interfacial shear and azimuthal motion that top-view imaging cannot capture.
  • The same Floquet formulation reproduces the measured critical frequencies of pinned Faraday waves across several container geometries, indicating that the machinery is reliable in the regimes where independent experiments exist.

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These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the pinned-rim superposition picture is right, a direct experimental test is available: in an adverse-density-contrast cylinder with a pinned rim, the onset pattern's radial ring count and phase dynamics should not match any single free-sliding Bessel mode, and the ring count should change with vibration amplitude even at onset.
  • The same linear machinery could be extended to weakly nonlinear analysis to ask whether the RT-unstable/Faraday-stable superposition seeds different pattern selection or mode competition beyond onset than either instability alone.
  • The free-sliding stabilization window is occupied by other Faraday modes in the configurations studied; the analysis implies that achieving a truly stable regime would require increasing viscosity or tailoring confinement so that Faraday-stable and RT-stable regions overlap.
  • A numerical test of the free-sliding assumption itself—solving the full pressure-jump condition without dropping the homogeneous capillary term—would show whether the predicted RT-stabilization thresholds are robust or need revision.
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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript develops a linear Floquet stability analysis of a two-fluid interface in a vertically vibrated cylinder, resolving disturbances into azimuthal Fourier modes, radial Bessel modes, and Floquet harmonics. Two contact-line models are considered: free-sliding and pinned. The free-sliding analysis shows that increasing vibration amplitude can stabilize RT-unstable radial modes and produces a sequence from RT-dominated harmonic response to subharmonic and then harmonic Faraday response; confinement discretizes the radial spectrum and allows complete stabilization of individual RT modes. The pinned analysis enforces zero displacement at the rim, which couples Bessel modes; the resulting onset mode is a superposition of RT-unstable and Faraday-stable components. The formulation is validated against classical RT and damped-Mathieu Faraday limits and against pinned Faraday experiments from three groups, with most frequency errors below 2%. Code is available.

Significance. If correct, this is a valuable unified treatment of two usually separate instabilities in a canonical confined geometry. The paper contains no parameter fitting: all fluid and geometrical parameters come from the experimental configurations. The clean recovery of the classical limits and the independent experimental validation for the pinned Faraday case are strong points. The qualitative predictions — confinement-induced stabilization of discrete RT modes and pinning-mediated coupling between RT and Faraday components — are original and testable. The velocity-field reconstruction is a useful complement to imaging diagnostics.

major comments (2)
  1. [§3.2, Eqs. (18)–(20)] The Floquet phase of the homogeneous capillary subsystem, cos φ_{m,n,k}, is left undetermined by the harmonic-coupling relation and is then closed by the ad hoc choice cos φ = -1 ("smallest positive capillary length"). This choice enters the projection coefficients λ (A.9) and therefore the pinned-mode eigenvalue problem (35)-(36) and all pinned onset predictions in Sec. 4.2 (Figs. 9 and 11, Table 3). The Faraday-only validation in Table 3 is encouraging, but the mixed Faraday–RT pinned predictions in Sec. 4.2.2 have no independent experimental check. Because the quantitative onset values depend on this closure, the paper should either derive the physical selection of the band edge or provide a sensitivity analysis over cos φ ∈ [-1,1] showing that the predicted critical frequencies and, more importantly, the qualitative superposition mechanism are unchanged. Without this, the specificity
  2. [§3 and Appendix A] The sums over Floquet harmonics n and radial modes i in Eq. (10) are infinite, but the numerical implementation requires truncation. The manuscript does not state the truncation sizes or provide a convergence test. The reported growth rates and critical accelerations (Figs. 2–11) are numerical results of a truncated system; reproducibility and confidence in the quantitative predictions require this information. The agreement with classical limits and experiments suggests the truncation is adequate, but the paper should make the truncation explicit and include a brief convergence check.
minor comments (5)
  1. [§3.1] The statement that the homogeneous contribution vanishes, ζ^(H)=0, is asserted without proof. This is correct: it follows from the kinematic condition (8), the velocity expansion (13), and the no-penetration condition (A.4), since w is a sum of Bessel modes with J'_m(β/ξ)=0, so ζ = w/γ has the same radial dependence and an I_m homogeneous term would violate the sidewall condition. Please add this one-line justification to avoid the appearance of an ad hoc decoupling.
  2. [Table 3] The phrase "deviations below 2% in most comparisons" is imprecise. Ten of the fifteen listed deviations are below 2%; the Zhang et al. cases exceed 4%. Please state the count explicitly or qualify the sentence.
  3. [Figs. 2 and 3] The quantity plotted as arctan Re{ζ^*} is not defined in the captions. Clarify that this is the argument (phase) of the complex interface displacement and why it is used.
  4. [Throughout] Several symbols are used without definition at first appearance: f†_LFST, i⋆, W⊥, and the hat notation for Floquet harmonic amplitudes. Please define these in the text or in a notation table.
  5. [Eq. (26)] The Hadamard product notation with vectors of different lengths may be confusing. Please define the operation explicitly or write out the component equations.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the Floquet derivation is self-contained and validated against independent experiments.

full rationale

The central derivation starts from the linearized Navier–Stokes equations (5)–(9) and a standard Floquet/Bessel ansatz (10)–(15). The free-sliding case sets ζ(H)=0; this is not an ad hoc decoupling: the vertical-velocity expansion is built from Bessel modes satisfying J'=0 (A.4)–(A.5), and Eq. (8) ties ζ to w, so an I-type homogeneous interface component would require a velocity field incompatible with the sidewall no-penetration condition. The pinned-contact-line coupling is a direct consequence of imposing ζ=0 at r=1/ξ (28) and the representation (17), giving (29)–(31); it is not an imported uniqueness result. No parameter is fitted to the predicted thresholds: all inputs are the experimental fluid/geometry parameters of Table 2, and the comparisons with Shao et al., Henderson & Miles, Zhang et al., and Wolf are external validations. The band-edge closure cos φ=-1 is a stated modeling choice that selects the strongest capillary restoring effect, not a fitted value, and the self-citation [64] is used for context and for the unbounded-domain long-wavelength statement, which Appendix A.3 re-derives independently via the Mathieu threshold. The single-Floquet-exponent assumption for the pinned onset is acknowledged in Section 5.1 as an approximation valid at neutral stability, not a circular step. Therefore the derivation chain is self-contained and no prediction reduces to its inputs by construction.

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The central predictions rest on a handful of modeling choices: a free-slip sidewall, an asserted vanishing homogeneous capillary contribution in the free-sliding case, and a band-edge closure for the pinned case. None are fitted to data, but they are not derived either.

free parameters (1)
  • Floquet phase closure cos φ = -1 (band edge)
    The homogeneous capillary subsystem leaves cos φ ∈ [-1,1] undetermined; the authors set cos φ = -1 to get the smallest positive capillary length and the strongest vibrational stabilizing effect. This is a hand-chosen closure affecting all onset thresholds.
axioms (5)
  • domain assumption Interface displacement remains single-valued and linearizable
    Linear stability analysis; acknowledged in Section 5.1.
  • domain assumption Lateral wall is free-slip: only no-penetration ∂r w'=0 enforced; no-slip tangential conditions neglected
    Bessel modes satisfying J'_m(β/ξ)=0; used for all cylindrical results; real containers have no-slip walls.
  • ad hoc to paper Free-sliding homogeneous contribution ζ(H)=0
    Asserted without derivation in Section 3.1; decouples radial modes.
  • ad hoc to paper Band-edge closure cos φ=-1
    Fixes underdetermined Floquet phase of capillary subsystem, Section 3 after Eq. (20).
  • domain assumption Pinned contact line: single Floquet exponent for all coupled radial modes at onset
    Section 3.2; acknowledged in Section 5.1 as approximate away from onset.

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Interfacial instabilities govern the mixing in confined multiphase flows. Yet, the two mechanisms that drive them are usually studied independently: the pressure-gradient-driven Rayleigh--Taylor (RT) instability, which amplifies long-wavelength modes, and the parametrically forced Faraday instability, which selects shorter-wavelength harmonic or subharmonic modes. When an adverse density contrast and vertical vibration act together, the two compete, and neither alone describes the response. We use Floquet analysis to characterize the onset, growth, modal structure, and velocity fields of Faraday--RT waves in a vertically vibrated cylinder, resolved by azimuthal wavenumber, radial (Bessel) mode, and Floquet harmonic. The formulation recovers the classical RT and Faraday limits and reproduces the instability onset at the frequencies measured experimentally. For a free-sliding interface, increasing the vibration amplitude shifts the dominant instability mechanism from RT growth to subharmonic and then harmonic Faraday responses. Lateral confinement can also stabilize individual RT modes, which is not possible in an unbounded domain, although other Faraday modes may remain unstable. Pinning the contact line couples radial modes that otherwise evolve independently, allowing the unstable mode to be a superposition of RT-unstable and Faraday-stable components. This superposition alters the instability mechanism, producing a richer radial pattern. Reconstruction of the unstable modes shows the (linear) velocity fields that imaging cannot access and demonstrates how the instabilities can change the flow more broadly.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2607.28932 by Benjamin Wilfong, Ryan M. McMullen, Spencer H. Bryngelson, Tianyi Chu, Timothy Koehler.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Schematic of coexisting long-wavelength RT and shorter-wavelength Faraday disturbances at a two-fluid interface in a confined cylinder: (a) 2-D cross-section and (b) 3-D interface. The quadrupolar component (m = 2) is shown as an example, with the unperturbed contact line at the cylinder rim highlighted. Despite the extensive literature on Faraday and RT waves separately, comparatively few studies have add… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Growth rates of the axisymmetric component (m = 0) for the Faraday-only configuration (gsgn = 1) at vibration frequencies as labeled. The transitions between subharmonic (SH, Im(γ ∗ U ) = ω ∗ /2) and harmonic (H, Im(γ ∗ U ) = 0) responses are highlighted. The normalized interface displacements for the first Bessel mode (i = 1) are also shown. We begin by considering the axisymmetric component (m = 0) for a… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Growth rates of the axisymmetric component (m = 0) for the mixed Faraday–RT configuration (gsgn = −1) at different vibration frequencies: (a) 11 Hz; (b) 30 Hz; and (c) 60 Hz. The transitions between subharmonic (SH, Im(γ ∗ U ) = ω ∗ /2) and harmonic (H, Im(γ ∗ U ) = 0) responses are highlighted. The corresponding normalized interface displacements for the first Bessel mode (i = 1) are shown in panels (d–f)… view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Growth rates of the axisymmetric (m = 0; i), dipolar (m = 1; ii) and quadrupolar (m = 2; iii) modes for the mixed Faraday–RT configuration (gsgn = −1) at vibration frequencies as labeled. Faraday–RT configuration. As a representative case, we consider a forcing amplitude a ∗ = 6.3 and frequency ω = 30 Hz. Under these conditions, the dipolar mode exhibits the unstable harmonic Faraday response shown in fig.… view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Predictions of the interfacial displacement and velocity fields at t ∗ /T ∗ = 3 for the mixed Faraday–RT configuration (gsgn = −1) at vibration amplitude a ∗ = 6.3 and frequency ω = 30 Hz: (a) m = 1, i = 10, γ∗ U = 1.783; (b) m = 3, i = 3, γ ∗ U = 1.663 + iω ∗ /2. For the same configuration in fig. 5, fig. 6 shows the coupling between the instantaneous velocity fields and the corresponding interface deform… view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Predictions of the instantaneous velocity fields and corresponding interfacial deformations for the mixed Faraday–RT configuration (gsgn = −1) at vibration amplitude a ∗ = 6.3 and frequency ω = 30 Hz: (a) m = 1, i = 2; (b) m = 3, i = 9; and (c) m = 8, i = 2. Different instability responses are triggered for these three cases. The fields are shown over the vertical range z ∗ ∈ [−2, 2] × 10−3 . 4.1.2 Water–m… view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Dominant growth rates associated with (i) RT- and (ii) Faraday-type instabilities across the vibration frequency–amplitude phase space for different azimuthal wavenumbers: (a) m = 0; (b) m = 1; (c) m = 2; and (d) m = 3. The present analysis† identifies the RT- and Faraday-stability regions, together with the margins of the Faraday–RT transition. For comparison, the lower bounds for RT dynamic stabilization… view at source ↗
Figure 8
Figure 8. Figure 8: Evolution of the dipolar modes (m = 1) for f = 30 Hz and a ∗ = 3.71: (a) normalized Faraday and RT modes; (b) corresponding Floquet growth rates; and (c) combined interfacial patterns from in-phase and out-of-phase superpositions of the RT and Faraday modes. Depending on their relative initial phases, t ∗ 0 , the RT and Faraday modal amplitudes can follow different trajectories within a forcing period. Sup… view at source ↗
Figure 9
Figure 9. Figure 9: Comparison between the critical frequency predicted by the present linear Floquet stability theory, f † LFST, and the experimental measurements of Shao et al. [38] for the Faraday-only case (gsgn = 1): (a) m = 0; (b) m = 1; (c) m = 2; and (d) m = 3. Corresponding critical accelerations obtained without the pinned-condition constraint are shown for comparison. 4.2.1 Faraday-only configuration [PITH_FULL_IM… view at source ↗
Figure 10
Figure 10. Figure 10: Predictions of interfacial deformations and the corresponding velocity fields for the Faraday-only configuration (gsgn = 1) with a pinned contact line at the cylinder rim. Results are shown at the respective critical frequencies for (a) m = 0, i⋆ = 5; (b) m = 3, i⋆ = 3; and (c) m = 6, i⋆ = 2, with the corresponding normalized temporal evolutions shown in (d). The velocity fields are shown over the vertica… view at source ↗
Figure 11
Figure 11. Figure 11: Critical frequency for the mixed Faraday–RT configuration (gsgn = −1): (a) m = 0; (b) m = 1; (c) m = 2; and (d) m = 3. Panel (e) shows the interfacial patterns associated with the lowest onset frequency. Critical acceleration for the free-sliding case is included for comparison. Accordingly, fig. 11 shows the predicted critical acceleration as a function of vibration frequency for a water–air interface in… view at source ↗

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