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For an evaporating black hole, interior complexity peaks at the Page time and then decays.

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arxiv 2605.16619 v2 pith:M5BWF7HM submitted 2026-05-15 hep-th

Evaporating Black Hole Interior and Complexity Evolution

Nicol\`o Bragagnolo , S. Prem Kumar This is my paper
classification hep-th
keywords black hole evaporationJackiw-Teitelboim gravityend-of-the-world branesubsystem complexityreplica wormholesPage timequenched disorderinterior length
verification ladder T0 review T1 audit T2 compute T3 formal T4 reserved

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This paper studies a two-dimensional toy model of an evaporating black hole: Jackiw-Teitelboim gravity with an end-of-the-world brane entangled to radiation. It computes the ensemble-averaged geodesic length from the boundary to the brane and interprets the renormalized length as the subsystem complexity of the black hole. The central claim is that this complexity does not plateau as in an eternal black hole; instead it grows linearly, reaches a maximum just before the Page time, and then decays exponentially. The paper also shows that after the Page time relative fluctuations grow, so the ensemble average loses self-averaging and is dominated by rare configurations. The mechanism is a resummation of replica wormholes that produces a kernel depending on the ratio of black-hole and radiation Hilbert-space dimensions.

Core claim

In the canonical ensemble, the renormalized interior length, interpreted as complexity, is claimed to be C(t) = (2π/β) t e^{2S_BH} / (k(t)+e^{S_BH})^2, with k(t)=e^{S_rad(t)}. This grows linearly at early times with a rate reduced by radiation entanglement, peaks at a time slightly before the Page time (t_Page ≈ S_BH/Ṡ_rad), and then decays exponentially. The microcanonical analysis yields a parallel result: the relevant quantity is E[X/(1+X)^2] for a Poisson variable X with mean e^{S_BH}/k, a non-monotonic function that peaks when the black-hole and radiation entropies differ by O(1). The variance of the length is also computed: relative fluctuations are parametrically small before the Page

What carries the argument

The load-bearing object is the replica kernel I(n) obtained from quenched averaging over random brane states. Summing all replica wormhole contributions via complete Bell polynomials yields an analytic continuation in n, whose derivative at n=0 enters the length integral. In the microcanonical ensemble this derivative equals E[X/(1+X)^2] for a Poisson random variable X with mean e^{S_BH}/k, whose non-monotonicity locates the Page-time turnover. In the canonical ensemble, an integral representation for I'(0) permits a saddle-point evaluation that gives the closed-form complexity formula. This kernel is what transforms the eternal-black-hole plateau into a peak-and-decay profile.

Load-bearing premise

The central load-bearing assumption is that evaporation can be modeled as an adiabatic sequence of fixed-k and fixed-β equilibrium computations with k(t)=e^{S_rad(t)} and S_rad ≈ Ṡ_rad t; if real evaporation requires β to vary near the Page time, the predicted peak and exponential decay could be artifacts of this splicing.

What would settle it

Compute the full time-dependent path integral for the same model with β(t) determined by energy conservation, and check whether the complexity still turns over near the Page time. Alternatively, in a random unitary circuit model with a fixed Hilbert-space dimension, numerically compute the subsystem complexity for a slowly decoupled radiation system; if it plateaus instead of decaying after the Page time, the gravitational prediction fails.

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If this is right

  • If correct, the interior of an evaporating black hole provides a geometric observable that signals the Page time, not just entanglement entropy.
  • The exponential decay after the Page time implies the black hole subsystem becomes progressively simpler, closer to a maximally mixed state, so complexity does not saturate at an exponential-in-entropy plateau.
  • Before the Page time, complexity growth is slower than for an eternal black hole, with the rate suppressed by the radiation Hilbert-space dimension.
  • The loss of self-averaging after the Page time means a typical single evaporation history will not follow the smooth ensemble curve; the average is carried by exponentially rare configurations.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • A concrete testable extension: run a random unitary circuit model of evaporation without gravity and measure the subsystem complexity; if it also peaks and decays after the Page time, the qualitative result is likely universal, as the paper itself suggests.
  • The quasi-static approximation with fixed inverse temperature β is the weakest link; a fully dynamical treatment with β(t) set by energy conservation could shift the peak and modify the decay rate, but the turnover itself is likely robust.
  • The variance result implies that post-Page-time ensemble averages in this model should not be used to infer the experience of a single observer; probes of a single black hole would see order-one fluctuations rather than a smooth exponential decay.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 4 minor

Summary. The paper studies the evolution of the interior of an evaporating black hole in JT gravity with an end-of-the-world brane, modeling evaporation by an auxiliary radiation system of dimension k(t). The central technical result is a replica computation of the quenched ensemble-averaged boundary-to-brane geodesic length, which is interpreted as subsystem complexity. The authors obtain a closed-form kernel I(n) whose n-derivative at n=0 controls the length, and find that in both microcanonical and canonical ensembles the renormalized length grows linearly at early times, reaches a maximum near the Page time, and then decays exponentially. They also compute the variance and argue that relative fluctuations become large after the Page time, signaling a loss of self-averaging. The derivation is internally consistent and the microcanonical and canonical routes agree, but the time-dependent physical claim rests on a quasi-static splicing of fixed-β equilibrium computations that the paper itself flags as an idealization.

Significance. If the time-dependent claim holds, the paper is significant: it shows that the same non-perturbative replica effects that restore the Page curve also imprint a sharp peak-and-decay on a geometric observable interpreted as complexity, and it provides a concrete random-matrix toy model with a transparent probabilistic interpretation (I'(0) = E[X/(1+X)^2] for a Poisson variable). Strengths include the very detailed replica computation, the consistency check between microcanonical and canonical ensembles, the explicit handling of spacetime and replica wormholes, and the clear statement of the subtraction prescription. However, the physical relevance of the main claim depends on an unproven adiabatic approximation in which β is held fixed while k(t) is varied; the model's own thermodynamics requires β(t) to evolve, so the central time-dependent conclusion is not yet established for an actual evaporating black hole.

major comments (3)
  1. [§6.2.2, §7.2, Eq. (7.15)] The central time-dependent result is obtained by splicing fixed-β equilibrium computations, but this is not justified by the model's own thermodynamics. Eq. (6.17) ties Ṡ_rad to β, and energy conservation for a high-temperature JT black hole implies β(t) grows during evaporation. Then S_BH(β(t)) in Eq. (7.16) decreases, so in Eq. (7.15) e^{S_BH} is time-dependent in both numerator and denominator, and the peak condition (7.18) involves two moving quantities. The claim of linear growth, peak, and exponential decay is therefore a property of the fixed-β interpolation unless a controlled β(t) evolution is provided. The caveat in the Fig. 1 caption and Sec. 7.2 shows the authors are aware, but the abstract and conclusions present the time-dependent behavior as a finding.
  2. [§6.2.2, Eq. (6.19)] The subtraction C(t)=⟨L_{k(t)}(t)⟩−⟨L_{k(t)}(0)⟩ subtracts, at each t, a quantity evaluated in a different equilibrium ensemble (with k already at k(t)). This is a regularization prescription, not a physical initial-state subtraction. Since L_{k(t)}(0) is a t-dependent constant (via k(t)), this subtraction can by itself produce a non-monotonic C(t) even if the unsubtracted length is monotonic. The authors argue the prescription is forced by k-dependent divergences, but they do not demonstrate that the turnover is independent of the subtraction scheme. A comparison with an alternative subtraction (e.g., fixed k₀ plus a finite counterterm) is needed.
  3. [§7.3, Eq. (7.24)] The relative-fluctuation claim and the loss of self-averaging are derived under the same fixed-β replacement. If β(t) evolves, the Poisson mean a(t)=e^{S_BH(β(t))−S_rad(t)} evolves differently, and the conclusion that post-Page fluctuations grow may change. The microcanonical rare-configuration argument (Sec. 6.2.2) also uses fixed S_BH with k(t). This is a corollary of the first concern but should be stated explicitly because the claim that late-time complexity is dominated by rare configurations is a headline result.
minor comments (4)
  1. [Eq. (1.4) and Eq. (6.24)] The notation e^{2(S_BH(t)−S_rad(t))} t in the post-Page regime is dimensionally inconsistent unless t is measured in units of β. Please clarify the units or add the β prefactor explicitly.
  2. [Fig. 1 and Sec. 7.2] The caption states β is fixed, but this is a strong assumption. If β is fixed, S_BH is fixed, so the decay in Eq. (7.15) is entirely due to k(t) in the denominator; this should be stated in the main text near the formula, not only in the caption.
  3. [Sec. 6.20 and Sec. 8] The interpretation of the renormalized geodesic length as 'subsystem complexity' is a conjecture (Eq. (6.20)). It is reasonable, but the paper would benefit from a brief discussion of how this proposal relates to established complexity measures, especially since the result is advertised as complexity evolution.
  4. [References] Refs. [39,40] are cited as 'recent findings' but are arXiv preprints. If published versions exist, they should be cited; otherwise the dependence of the interpretation on unpublished work should be acknowledged.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the central kernel is derived from replica combinatorics, not fitted; the time-dependent claim rests on an acknowledged adiabatic approximation.

full rationale

The load-bearing result, Eq. (7.15), is obtained from a derived kernel I'(0)=E[X/(1+X)^2] with X Poisson(e^{S_BH}/k) (Eqs. 6.9, 7.14). The non-monotonic peak and subsequent decay are mathematical properties of this expectation value, not inputs imposed by hand. The only time-dependence is injected through the auxiliary assumption k(t)=e^{S_rad(t)} and the quasi-static replacement k→k(t) (Eqs. 6.16-6.19); the paper itself flags this as an idealization: 'Note that we have kept β fixed, while in a realistic setting β must evolve adibatically with t as well' (Fig. 1 caption) and 'we will reserve further detailed study of the full dynamical setting for future work' (Sec. 7.2). This is an unproven adiabatic extrapolation and therefore a robustness caveat, not a circular reduction: no equation defines the predicted peak/decay as its own input. The self-citations by co-author Kumar ([38] for the standard CFT entropy flux, [47] for a conjectured random-circuit comparison) are auxiliary, not load-bearing for the replica computation. The canonical result is cross-checked against the microcanonical result via Eq. (7.17), and the variance follows from the same connected correlator. I find no constructional equivalence between the inputs and the claimed complexity evolution.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

4 free parameters · 6 axioms · 0 invented entities

No new entities are introduced; the EoW brane internal states and auxiliary radiation system come from the PSSY model. The main load-bearing axioms are the JT/matrix-integral technology, the PSSY evaporation model, the adiabatic splicing, and the length=complexity dictionary.

free parameters (4)
  • ˙S_rad (radiation entropy growth rate) = 2 in Figs. 1 and 10
    Chosen by hand to illustrate the evaporation; the reported peak and Page times t_peak≈(S_BH−log S_BH)/˙S_rad and t_Page≈S_BH/˙S_rad depend directly on this rate.
  • β (inverse temperature) = 0.2 in Fig. 1; high-temperature limit β≪1
    An input parameter, not fitted to data, but the central formula's slope 2π/β and the closed form (7.15) are derived only in the high-temperature regime.
  • μ (EoW brane tension) = μ≫1/β (large-tension limit)
    The canonical closed form requires the large-brane-tension limit; the paper does not fit μ but restricts to this regime.
  • S0 (extremal entropy) = 8 in Fig. 1
    Topological input from the JT action; sets the overall entropy scale and the O(S_BH) size of the complexity maximum, but is not fitted to the target result.
axioms (6)
  • domain assumption JT gravity is dual to a random-matrix ensemble, and the nonperturbative spectral two-point function (A.7) correctly resums spacetime wormholes.
    Used throughout (Sec. 5.2, App. C) to replace e^{2S0}ρρ with ⟨ρρ⟩; standard in the JT/matrix-integral literature [24].
  • domain assumption The quenched free energy requires the replica trick log Z = lim_{n→0}(Z^n−1)/n, and the kernel I(n) computed for positive integer n continues uniquely to n→0.
    Central to extracting the averaged length (Secs. 3.2, 5.2–5.3). No Carlson-type uniqueness theorem is supplied for I(n), unlike the Page-curve sum in App. D.
  • domain assumption Evaporation is modeled by the PSSY EoW-brane state |Ψ⟩=(1/√k)Σ|ψ_i⟩_B|i⟩_R with k(t)=e^{S_rad(t)} and linear S_rad(t)=˙S_rad t.
    Secs. 2.1 and 6.2.2; this is the toy model of evaporation, not derived from a full dynamical black-hole solution.
  • domain assumption Time evolution is captured by a sequence of fixed-k, fixed-β equilibrium models with k→k(t) (adiabatic splicing).
    Sec. 6.2.2 explicitly states this assumption; it is the bridge from static ensemble results to the claimed time-dependent complexity evolution.
  • ad hoc to paper The renormalized boundary-to-brane geodesic length is a measure of subsystem complexity.
    Sec. 3.1 and eq. (6.20): 'we propose that our renormalised length ... corresponds to the quantum complexity'. This dictionary is assumed, not proven.
  • domain assumption The high-temperature (β≪1), large-brane-tension (μ≫1/β) limits and the truncation of exp(#ωβ) factors to leading order control the canonical ensemble integral.
    Sec. 7 and App. E.1; used to obtain the closed form (7.15). The truncation is checked to O(ω^2), not non-perturbatively.

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We study the evolution of the interior of an evaporating black hole in a simple model of Jackiw-Teitelboim (JT) gravity with an end-of-the-world (EoW) brane, where evaporation is modeled by entangling the brane's internal states with an auxiliary radiation system. To probe the black hole interior, we consider a geodesic length extracted from a boundary-to-brane two-point function and interpret its renormalised value as a measure of subsystem complexity. Our computation, based on quenched disorder averaging, includes non-perturbative gravitational effects from both spacetime wormholes and replica wormholes, encoding ensemble averaging over the dual random Hamiltonian and brane-state couplings. Unlike non-evaporating black holes, for which complexity first grows linearly and then plateaus at late times $\sim{\cal O}(e^{S_{\rm BH}})$, we find that complexity evolution of the black hole subsystem in the evaporating case differs drastically, depending nontrivially on the dimension of the emitted radiation Hilbert space. It grows linearly at early times, reaches a maximum shortly before the Page-time crossover $\sim{\cal O}({S_{\rm BH}})$, and then decays exponentially. We further show that the relative fluctuations of the interior length remain small before the Page time but become of order one and eventually large at later times: this signals a loss of self-averaging, with the ensemble-averaged complexity dominated by rare configurations rather than by typical realisations.

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