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Alternating minimization for computing doubly minimized Petz Renyi mutual information
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Pith's one-line read Alternating minimization provably computes the doubly minimized Petz Rényi mutual information for all finite-dimensional quantum states.
desk verdict Solid, carefully proved convergence results for computing the doubly minimized Petz Rényi mutual information; the main dependency is on the author's own prior work, but the math here checks out and the paper deserves a serious referee. read the letter →
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A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
Two separate mechanisms carry the argument. For $\alpha\in(1,2]$, the working tool is Hilbert's projective metric on the cone of positive semidefinite operators: each exact-minimizer update $N_{A\to B}$ and $N_{B\to A}$ is homogeneous and order-preserving or order-reversing in powers of the marginals, and a classical contraction theorem for positive linear maps bounds its Lipschitz constant by $\gamma = |1-1/\alpha|$; a full round therefore contracts by $\gamma^2$. For $\alpha\in(\frac{1}{2},1)$, the proof does not use the Hilbert metric. Instead it exploits the joint concavity of $Q_\alpha(\rho_{AB}\|\sigma_A\otimes\tau_B) = \mathrm{tr}[\rho_{AB}^{\alpha}(\sigma_A\otimes\tau_B)^{1-\alpha}]$, the uniqueness of the global minimizer, and a Rényi–Pinsker inequality to relate the gap $x_{n-1}-x_n$ to the remaining error, producing a recursion that solves to $O(1/n)$.
What would settle it
Take a concrete two-qubit state, such as a full-rank mixture of $\lvert 00\rangle$, $\lvert 11\rangle$, and a small noise term, and run the alternating iteration exactly for $\alpha\in(\frac{1}{2},1)$. If for any $n$ the inequality $|x_n-I_\alpha^{\downarrow\downarrow}| \le \max(\frac{3}{2} c_0^2, 2x_0)/n$ fails, the sublinear theorem is false; likewise, for $\alpha\in(1,2]$, computing the ratio $d_H(N_{A\to B}(\sigma), N_{A\to B}(\tilde\sigma))/d_H(\sigma,\tilde\sigma)$ for two random positive marginals and finding a value larger than $\gamma = |1-1/\alpha|$ would falsify the contraction theorem.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
For any fixed $\rho_{AB}$, alternating minimization updates the marginal $\tau_B$ to the exact minimizer $\hat\tau_B = (\mathrm{tr}_A[\rho_{AB}^{\alpha}\sigma_A^{1-\alpha}])^{1/\alpha} / \mathrm{tr}[(\mathrm{tr}_A[\rho_{AB}^{\alpha}\sigma_A^{1-\alpha}])^{1/\alpha}]$, then updates $\sigma_A$ in the same way, and the sequence $x_n = D_\alpha(\rho_{AB}\|\sigma_A^{(n)}\otimes\tau_B^{(n)})$ decreases monotonically to the doubly minimized PRMI $I_\alpha^{\downarrow\downarrow}(A:B)_\rho$ for every $\alpha$ in $(\frac{1}{2},1)\cup(1,2]$. For $\alpha\in(1,2]$, the contraction argument in Hilbert's projective metric yields $|x_n - I_\alpha^{\downarrow\downarrow}| \le \frac{1}{\alpha-1}[\exp((\alpha-1)(1+\gamma)\gamma^{2n}d_H(\sigma_A^{(0)},\hat\sigma_A))-1]$ with $\gamma = 1 - 1/\alpha$, an explicit linear rate. For $\alpha\in(\frac{1}{2},1)$, the proof uses joint concavity of the trace function $Q_\alpha$ together with a Rényi–Pinsker inequality to obtain $|x_n - I_\alpha^{\downarrow\downarrow}| \le \max(\frac{3}{2} c_0^2, 2x_0)/n$, a sublinear $O(1/n)$ rate. The $\alpha=1$ case is degenerate and reaches the minimum in one step; for $\alpha\in(0,\frac{1}{2}]$, alternating minimization is shown not to converge to the global minimum in general.
Load-bearing premise
The premise that has to hold is that the surface being minimized curves upward in both marginal directions at once for orders between 1/2 and 1, and that the minimum point is unique; the paper imports both facts from its companion work, and the sublinear proof depends on them.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- For $\alpha\in(1,2]$, the objective error after $n$ full alternating rounds is at most $\frac{1}{\alpha-1}[\exp((\alpha-1)(1+\gamma)\gamma^{2n}d_H(\sigma_A^{(0)},\hat\sigma_A))-1]$, so the iteration count needed to reach a targeted precision is known before running the algorithm.
- For $\alpha\in(\frac{1}{2},1)$, the same iteration reaches precision $\epsilon$ after a number of rounds no larger than $\max(\frac{3}{2} c_0^2, 2x_0)/\epsilon$, again giving a finite stopping rule.
- The alternating sequence of states converges to the unique global minimizer of the PRMI optimization problem for every $\alpha\in(\frac{1}{2},1)\cup(1,2]$.
- The algorithms output a value $x$ certified to satisfy $|x - I_\alpha^{\downarrow\downarrow}(A:B)_\rho| \le \epsilon_0$ for any prescribed $\epsilon_0>0$, for all quantum states in the stated range.
Reading between the lines
- The Hilbert-metric technique for $\alpha\in(1,2]$ is the natural template to attack the sandwiched Rényi mutual information, whose partial minimizers are not explicit; finding such formulas would let the same contraction proof run for that family.
- The sublinear $O(1/n)$ rate for $\alpha\in(\frac{1}{2},1)$ is likely conservative; numerical experiments on low-dimensional states could reveal much faster actual convergence, and a local strong-convexity analysis might upgrade the guarantee.
- The $\alpha=\frac{1}{2}$ endpoint is connected to reflected-entropy-like measures mentioned in the introduction; the algorithm offers a numerical route to those quantities by taking a limit along $\alpha\in(\frac{1}{2},1)$.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The paper studies alternating minimization of the Petz divergence D_α(ρ_AB∥σ_A⊗τ_B) over states σ_A and τ_B, and proves convergence of the objective values to the doubly minimized Petz Rényi mutual information I_α^{↓↓}(A:B)_ρ. For α∈(1,2], it establishes a contraction of the alternating maps in Hilbert's projective metric with coefficient γ=|1−1/α| (Theorem 1), and from this derives linear convergence of the iterates (Corollary 2) and of the objective values at rate O(γ^{2n}) (Corollary 3), together with a termination-guaranteed algorithm. For α∈(1/2,1), it proves sublinear convergence of the objective values with an explicit O(1/n) bound (Theorem 4), again with an algorithm. The proofs are given in full in the appendices, and Appendix A recovers and extends the classical results of [22].
Significance. If the results are correct, they fill a genuine gap: no closed form is known for the doubly minimized PRMI, and prior non-asymptotic convergence analyses were limited to classical-classical states. The linear-rate result for α∈(1,2] is a clean quantum extension of the classical Hilbert-metric contraction argument, and the sublinear O(1/n) result for α∈(1/2,1) is the first quantum non-asymptotic guarantee in that parameter range. The paper is carefully written and provides explicit constants, finite-horizon termination statements, and complete appendix proofs; Remark 3 usefully identifies why the same approach fails for α<1/2. The main caveat is that the α<1 result depends on two load-bearing properties imported from the author's own unpublished preprint [17].
major comments (1)
- [Section 3B, Appendix D, Eq. (D.32) and Eq. (2.11)] Theorem 4 is load-bearing on external results from the author's preprint [17] (arXiv:2406.01699): the inequality at (D.32) uses the joint convexity of f(σ_A,τ_B)=−Q_α(ρ_AB∥σ_A⊗τ_B), and the equality at (D.27)-(D.28) uses the uniqueness of the global minimizer stated in (2.11). Neither property is proved or stated as a precise theorem in this manuscript, and [17] is an unpublished preprint by the same author. Since the entire α∈(1/2,1) convergence claim rests on these facts, the manuscript should either include their statements with proofs or cite a peer-reviewed version; as it stands, Theorem 4 is conditional on [17]. The analogous fixed-point property used in (C.14)-(C.15) for the α∈(1,2] results is also cited from [17] and should be given the same treatment.
minor comments (3)
- [Eq. (3.10)-(3.11)] The definition of δ in Theorem 1(b) is difficult to read because the line breaks separate the exponents from the operators; please typeset it as an explicit product of two operator norms with clear parentheses.
- [Appendix A, Corollary 7] In Corollary 7(a) the condition "If α>1/2" appears inside a statement whose preamble fixes α∈[1/2,1)∪(1,∞); consider stating the corollary directly for α∈(1/2,1)∪(1,∞) to avoid ambiguity about the α=1/2 endpoint.
- [Algorithm 1] Algorithm 1 refers to "c0 as in (C.65)", but (C.65) defines several quantities; please refer explicitly to Proposition 13 and its definition c0:=−2log min{min spec(σ̃_0), c_A}.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the convergence theorems are derived from contraction and convexity inputs, not equivalent to the conclusions.
full rationale
No significant circularity. The claimed main results (Corollary 3 and Theorem 4) are non-asymptotic bounds on |x_n - I^{↓↓}_α(A:B)_ρ|. For α∈(1,2], the proof derives a contraction in Hilbert's projective metric (Theorem 1) via Lemma 9 and the Birkhoff-Hopf theorem, then converts state convergence to objective-value convergence via an algebraic bound in Appendix C3; none of these steps assumes the conclusion. For α∈(1/2,1), the argument uses the joint convexity of f(σ_A,τ_B) = -Q_α(ρ_AB∥σ_A⊗τ_B) and uniqueness of the global minimizer, cited from the author's separate prior work [17]. Although [17] is a self-citation and is load-bearing for that range, it is a parameter-free theorem about the objective function, not about alternating-minimization convergence, and it is not justified by the present paper's results. Under the stated criteria this counts as independent support rather than circularity. The constants in all bounds are defined explicitly from ρ_AB, α, and the initialization; no fitted parameter is later reported as a prediction, and no definition is equivalent to the target quantity. The only caveat is a correctness risk: if the cited concavity/uniqueness result in [17] had a gap, Theorem 4 would fail. That is a correctness concern, not a circularity objection.
Assumptions & free parameters
assumptions (8)
- standard math Finite-dimensional quantum mechanics: states are density operators on finite-dimensional Hilbert spaces, and all Hilbert spaces are over C.
- standard math Standard properties of Hilbert's projective metric, including scale invariance, projective definiteness, contraction properties for homogeneous order-preserving and order-reversing maps, and the Birkhoff-Hopf theorem.
- standard math Operator monotonicity of X^r for r∈[0,1] and operator anti-monotonicity for r∈[-1,0].
- domain assumption Rényi Pinsker inequality: for α∈[1/2,1), (1−α)/(4α) ∥ρ^α−σ^α∥_{1/α}^2 ≤ 1−Qα(ρ∥σ).
- domain assumption Quantum Sibson identity (2.7), giving the partial minimizer of the Petz divergence over τB.
- domain assumption Joint concavity of Qα(ρAB∥σA⊗τB) in (σA,τB) for α∈(1/2,1), equivalently joint convexity of f(σA,τB)=−Qα.
- domain assumption Uniqueness of the global minimizer of the doubly minimized PRMI for α∈(1/2,1] and its support properties.
- ad hoc to paper The support restriction WLOG ρA > 0 and ρB > 0 in the proof of Theorem 4, justified by restricting the Hilbert spaces to the supports.
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abstract
The doubly minimized Petz Renyi mutual information (PRMI) of order $\alpha$ is defined as the minimization of the Petz divergence of order $\alpha$ of a fixed bipartite quantum state $\rho_{AB}$ relative to any product state $\sigma_A\otimes \tau_B$. To date, no closed-form expression for this measure has been found, necessitating the development of numerical methods for its computation. In this work, we show that alternating minimization over $\sigma_A$ and $\tau_B$ asymptotically converges to the doubly minimized PRMI for any $\alpha\in (\frac{1}{2},1)\cup (1,2]$, by proving linear convergence of the objective function values with respect to the number of iterations for $\alpha\in (1,2]$ and sublinear convergence for $\alpha\in (\frac{1}{2},1)$. Previous studies have only addressed the specific case where $\rho_{AB}$ is a classical-classical state, while our results hold for any quantum state $\rho_{AB}$.
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