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Survival Reinforcement Learning scales self-supervised control by maximizing dwell time at goals.

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load-bearing objection SRL frames an online classification approach to fix CRL scaling limits and survival bang-bang issues via dwell-time maximization, but the abstract supplies no experiment details to support the 2x-8x claims. the 1 major comments →

arxiv 2605.31273 v1 pith:ONR2HWII submitted 2026-05-29 cs.LG

Survival Reinforcement Learning: Toward Scalable Self-Supervised RL

Franki Nguimatsia-Tiofack , Fabian Schramm , Th\'eotime Le Hellard , Justin Carpentier This is my paper
classification cs.LG
keywords survival reinforcement learningself-supervised reinforcement learningdwell time maximizationcontrastive reinforcement learningrobotic benchmarkslong-horizon planningclassification-based methodsbang-bang control
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The paper presents Survival Reinforcement Learning as an online classification-based approach to self-supervised reinforcement learning. It builds on survival value learning by training agents to maximize the time spent at target goals rather than relying on contrastive losses. This change is intended to remove the uniformity-tolerance trade-off and the bang-bang control patterns that appear in earlier methods. Across robotic benchmarks the new method matches leading contrastive systems on manipulation tasks and improves performance by factors of two to eight on long-horizon locomotion. The results are offered as further support for classification-based primitives in efforts to scale reinforcement learning.

Core claim

Survival Reinforcement Learning extends the survival value learning framework into an online classification setting by maximizing the agent's dwell time at target goals; the resulting method bypasses the structural limits of contrastive reinforcement learning and reduces bang-bang control solutions that produce undesirable behavior in complex dynamical systems.

What carries the argument

Dwell-time maximization inside the survival value learning framework, recast as online classification to produce stable goal-reaching policies.

Load-bearing premise

Extending survival value learning through dwell-time maximization will reduce bang-bang control without introducing new undesirable behaviors in complex systems.

What would settle it

A long-horizon robotic locomotion task in which SRL produces less stable or less efficient behavior than scaled CRL after equivalent training.

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If this is right

  • SRL matches state-of-the-art CRL performance on manipulation tasks.
  • SRL outperforms CRL by factors of two to eight on stable long-horizon locomotion tasks.
  • Classification-based methods become viable primitives for scaling reinforcement learning beyond contrastive losses.
  • The uniformity-tolerance dilemma of contrastive objectives is avoided by shifting to dwell-time objectives.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

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  • If dwell-time maximization generalizes, the same objective could be tested on non-robotic domains that require sustained goal contact.
  • The classification reformulation may allow direct transfer of supervised-learning scaling techniques to reinforcement learning without contrastive-specific regularizers.
  • Longer-horizon or higher-dimensional dynamics could be used to check whether the reported mitigation of bang-bang solutions remains robust.
  • Combining SRL with existing contrastive representations might produce hybrid objectives whose scaling behavior can be measured directly.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript introduces Survival Reinforcement Learning (SRL) as an online classification-based alternative to Contrastive Reinforcement Learning (CRL). SRL extends the survival value learning framework by maximizing the agent's dwell time at target goals, aiming to bypass the uniformity-tolerance dilemma of contrastive losses and mitigate bang-bang control solutions. The central empirical claim is that scaled SRL matches state-of-the-art CRL on manipulation tasks and outperforms it by 2x to 8x on stable, long-horizon locomotion tasks across diverse robotic benchmarks, providing evidence that classification-based methods may serve as a key primitive for scaling RL.

Significance. If the reported performance gains hold under rigorous evaluation with proper controls, the work would represent a meaningful advance in self-supervised RL by offering a scalable classification-based framework that handles long-horizon tasks more effectively than contrastive approaches.

major comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the claim of 2x-8x gains on locomotion tasks is presented without any experimental details, error bars, dataset descriptions, ablation studies, or baseline specifications, leaving the central empirical claim without visible support in the manuscript.

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We thank the referee for the feedback. We address the single major comment below, clarifying where the supporting experimental evidence appears in the manuscript.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the claim of 2x-8x gains on locomotion tasks is presented without any experimental details, error bars, dataset descriptions, ablation studies, or baseline specifications, leaving the central empirical claim without visible support in the manuscript.

    Authors: The abstract is a concise summary of results whose full support is contained in the manuscript body. Sections 4 and 5, together with the appendix, provide the robotic benchmarks, evaluation protocol, error bars across multiple seeds, dataset/task descriptions, ablation studies, and baseline comparisons (including CRL) that underpin the reported 2x–8x gains on long-horizon locomotion. The central empirical claim is therefore directly supported by visible material in the manuscript; the abstract itself does not repeat those details for length reasons. revision: no

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity identified

full rationale

The abstract and supplied context contain no equations, derivations, fitted parameters, or self-citations that reduce any claim to its inputs by construction. The central claims rest on reported benchmark comparisons across robotic tasks, which are external empirical results and not forced by internal definitions or prior self-referential steps. No load-bearing steps matching the enumerated circularity patterns are present.

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Abstract-only review limits visibility; the method rests on extending an existing survival value learning framework whose assumptions are not detailed here.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption Survival value learning framework admits an online classification extension that maximizes dwell time at goals
    Paper states it extends this framework to define SRL.

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While self-supervised Contrastive Reinforcement Learning (CRL) has shown remarkable depth-scaling capabilities, successfully using networks over 64 layers, scaled CRL still struggles with long-horizon goal-conditioned planning due to the uniformity-tolerance dilemma inherent in contrastive losses. We introduce Survival Reinforcement Learning (SRL), an online classification-based alternative that extends the survival value learning framework by maximizing the agent's dwell time at target goals. SRL bypasses the structural constraints of CRL and mitigates the "bang-bang" control solutions inherent to survival frameworks, which often induce undesirable behavior in complex dynamical systems. Evaluated across diverse robotic benchmarks, scaled SRL matches state-of-the-art CRL on manipulation tasks and outperforms it by 2x to 8x on stable, long-horizon locomotion tasks. Our results provide strong additional evidence that classification-based methods may serve as a key primitive in the broader effort to scale reinforcement learning.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.31273 by Fabian Schramm, Franki Nguimatsia-Tiofack, Justin Carpentier, Th\'eotime Le Hellard.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Performance comparisons between SRL and CRL. Time at goal of SRL (depth 32) against the state-of-the-art CRL (scaled up to depth 64, Wang et al. [2025]) on JaxGCRL. supervised RL objectives that scale as favorably with network depth as CRL or unlock even stronger performance gains? The limited performance of scaled CRL on long-horizon tasks can be attributed in part to a well￾known limitation. The uniformi… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: SRL on two metrics for varying network depth and goal sequence k. The dwell time at goal (k > 1) is essential for Arm Push Easy and Humanoid to exhibit scaling behavior in goal occupancy. 4.3 Goal-occupancy bound The following proposition justifies our dwell-time formulation: goal-occupancy is lower-bounded by the remaining horizon upon arrival, discounted by the probability of premature exit. Sec. 5.5 ill… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Behavioral visualization of SRL. First row: with k = 1, the Ant overshoots the target and must reverse direction to return. Second row: with k = 1, the Humanoid lunges toward the target at full speed and collapses upon arrival. Third row: with the dwell-goal mechanism (k = 32), the Humanoid decelerates as it approaches the target to maintain dynamic balance, achieving sustained goal occupancy. Fourth row: … view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: SRL on extreme long-horizon tasks. (left) As the planning horizon increases beyond standard longest horizon, scaled SRL maintains consistent performance against CRL. (right) Visual comparison of the three maze scales. The results of Sec. 5.3 demonstrate that scaled SRL achieves near-optimal behav￾ior on every AntMaze environment, from U4 to Hardest. To probe the limits of SRL on long horizons beyond prior … view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Ablation study. (a) pˆk decreases monotonically with k; Humanoid requires larger k than Arm Push Easy to reduce exit probability, reflecting the difficulty of dynamic balancing versus quasi-static manipulation. (b) The lower bound from Proposition 1 tracks empirical goal-occupancy closely along the y = x diagonal (axes normalized by H), with larger k shifting points toward higher occupancy. We evaluate SRL… view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: illustrates the architecture of the hazard critic hθ(t | s, a, g) and the Gaussian actor πψ(a | s, g). Both networks are built from a common residual block consisting of four (Linear, LayerNorm, Swish) layers wrapped by an identity skip connection. Following Wang et al. [2025], we define the network depth as the total number of Linear layers across residual blocks, so an encoder of depth N contains N/4 res… view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Depth scaling of SRL across the JaxGCRL suite. Goal occupancy (mean ± std over 4 seeds). 16 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_7.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 8. Figure 8: Some environments and tasks available in JaxGCRL. Image from Bortkiewicz et al. [2025]. 17 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p017_8.png] view at source ↗

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