How Group Lives Go Well

John Beverley; Regina Hurley

REVIEW 4 major objections 7 minor 6 references

How Group Lives Go Well

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Pith's one-line read The paper extends the counterfactual account of well-being so that an activist's sacrifices count toward group flourishing even when her own life went badly.

desk verdict Useful BFO-based framework for group flourishing, but the advertised solution to Jessica's case equivocates between value for the group and value for her life. read the letter →

arxiv 2504.19968 v1 pith:QHHRPWFE submitted 2025-04-28 cs.AI cs.GT

John Beverley , Regina Hurley This is my paper · ORCID

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keywords well-beingwelfaregroupflourishingcounterfactualaccountBasicFormalOntologyfunctionsrolesengineering

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The pith

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The reading

This paper argues that the standard counterfactual account of well-being, which values an event by comparing an individual's actual well-being with a counterpart in a nearby possible world, cannot handle cases where an individual's sacrifice benefits a group only after her death. The paper's central case is a women's rights activist who suffers and dies before her cause succeeds: her life was bad by most measures, yet her efforts seem to add value to the movement that outlives her. The proposed extension keeps the counterfactual machinery but adds two ontological pieces from BFO—groups bear functions, members bear roles—so that member activities have positive value to the degree they realize the group's function. This gives a neutral foundation for representing well-being, welfare, and group flourishing in applied ontologies without committing to hedonism, desire-satisfaction, or objective-list theories.

What carries the argument

The carrying machinery is a chain of definitions anchored in two BFO classes. A function is a disposition grounded in the bearer's physical makeup that explains why the bearer exists (the paper argues groups have such functions); a role is a disposition an agent has because it is in an optional context and can gain or lose without physical change. On that basis the paper defines ROLEWELF (value of a member activity by its contribution to realizing the group's function), SYNCAGRO (synchronic aggregate of those values), IDT (identifying group well-being with that aggregate), DIAGRO (diachronic aggregation), DIABRG (positive correlation with group welfare), and GRPLIFE (comparing a group's welfare to a nearby counterpart). This chain carries the argument by giving a formal route from a single member's activity to a group's flourishing over time.

What would settle it

Find a group that clearly has a function but whose existence is not even partially explained by that function—for example, a group that came into being accidentally—since BFO's function definition requires the function to explain why the bearer exists. Alternatively, show that a group can gain or lose a function while every member and every member relationship stays exactly the same, which would break the requirement that functions are grounded in the bearer's physical makeup.

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Extended reading notes

Core claim

The central claim is that the Counterfactual Account, supplemented with group functions and member roles drawn from BFO, can accommodate the value of an individual's life as contributing to later social progress while remaining neutral among the three standard theories of well-being. The paper argues that groups satisfy the BFO definition of function, because their existence is explained by what they do and they can malfunction, and that members of such groups instantiate BFO roles, being able to join and leave without physical change. It then defines a chain: member activities have value by how far they realize the group's function (ROLEWELF); these values aggregate to a group's synchronic well-being (SYNCAGRO, IDT); the synchronic values aggregate over time (DIAGRO); and diachronic aggregate well-being is positively correlated with group welfare (DIABRG). Applied to the activist, her early failed activities still count positively for the group, so later group flourishing vindicates her sacrifice even though her own well-being and welfare never improve.

Load-bearing premise

The account depends on treating a group as a physical bearer of a function in the same strict sense as a heart or a designed tool; if a collection of people fails to have a physical makeup that explains the group's existence, the extension has no ontological anchor.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

An ontology engineer can represent a group's well-being as a structured aggregate of member activities without settling which individual-level theory of well-being is correct.
The account assigns positive value to individual sacrifices that contribute to a group's later success, even when the individual's own welfare stays low or ends at death.
The same formal machinery can be used across applications that adopt hedonism, desire-satisfaction, or objective-list theories, since value is measured through the group function rather than through any one theory.
Group malfunction acquires a precise meaning: a group flourishes to the degree its members' role activities realize its function, so a group that consistently fails its function has low welfare no matter how satisfied its members are.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

The paper does not say this, but if groups can bear functions, the same machinery could value the flourishing of non-human collectives, such as software teams, organizations of AI agents, or ecosystems, as long as a function bearer can be identified.
The paper's definitions suggest a concrete test: encode a historical movement's documented role activities and group function into an ontology, compute its diachronic aggregate well-being, and check whether the resulting curve matches historians' judgments of flourishing; this is a modeling exercise the paper leaves to future work.
The paper explicitly leaves open how to represent a group that persists through periods with no members; a natural extension, which it mentions without developing, is to treat the group's plan or blueprint as the continuing bearer rather than the member aggregate.

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First thing to know: the paper's central selling point does not hold. The Jessica case is set up as a test of neutrality, and the conclusion claims the extended Counterfactual Account 'accommodates the value of Jessica's life.' But Section 4 explicitly says the opposite: 'this is not to say Jessica's well-being and welfare increase... the well-being and welfare of the group is increased.' The machinery never connects group-level value back to the value of her life. The stress-test is right; it is an equivocation between value for the group and value for Jessica.

What is genuinely good: the paper does real ontology work. It takes BFO seriously, states ROLEWELF, SYNCAGRO, IDT, DIAGRO, and DIABRG cleanly, and walks through how each maps to BFO categories. The discussion of why hedonism and desire-satisfaction are awkward for group well-being is sensible, and the test cases (hiring committee, the apathetic member of a white-supremacist group) are well chosen. For ontology engineers who want to represent group-level outcomes over time, there is a usable framework here.

Soft spots, in proportion: (1) The Jessica inference is the load-bearing flaw. It is fixable by dropping the claim about her life, or by adding an axiom that makes her life better when the group flourishes, but that axiom would itself be a substantive normative thesis and would break the advertised neutrality. (2) The neutrality claim is shaky in a second way: ROLEWELF simply stipulates that realizing a group's function is positive. That is a value assumption, not something derived from the three competitor theories. The gestures toward compatibility do not prove neutrality. (3) The BFO-function argument is quicker than it should be, though less problematic than the reader's weakest assumption suggests—a hiring committee is a designed artifact with members as physical makeup, so FUN is not obviously violated.

Who this is for: people building BFO-based ontologies of social institutions, civic data, or longitudinal contributions. Philosophers of well-being will find the original puzzle untouched. But the framework is new and mostly coherent; the flaw is in the framing of the result, not in the machinery.

Recommendation: send it to peer review. A careful referee can push the authors to either narrow the claim or justify a value bridge from group flourishing to individual lives. That is a salvageable paper, not a desk reject.

Referee Report

4 major / 7 minor

Summary. The paper proposes an ontological framework for group well-being and group flourishing based on Basic Formal Ontology (BFO). It extends the Counterfactual Account of well-being, introducing axioms ROLEWELF, SYNCAGRO, IDT, DIAGRO, and DIABRG to connect individual role activities to group-level well-being and welfare. The central motivating case is Jessica, a women's rights activist whose personal well-being and welfare were low but whose sacrifices contributed to later social progress. The paper claims that the extension accommodates the value of Jessica's life while remaining neutral among hedonism, desire-satisfaction, and objective-list theories, thereby providing a foundation for ontology engineering for longitudinal social data.

Significance. If the central claim were sound, the paper would make a useful contribution to applied ontology by showing how BFO roles and functions can represent collective welfare and long-term contributions in a formally explicit way. The axioms are stated clearly and the paper engages with the relevant BFO literature. However, the advertised philosophical payoff is not achieved: the extension assigns value to activities for the group but never connects that value back to the value of an individual's life, so the Jessica case is not actually accommodated in the sense claimed. The neutrality claim is also overstated, since ROLEWELF is itself a substantive normative commitment rather than a neutral framework. These issues undermine the central thesis.

major comments (4)

[Section 4 and conclusion] The central inference is invalid. ROLEWELF assigns positive value to an activity 'for group G's member S' only to the extent that it realizes G's function; SYNCAGRO, IDT, DIAGRO, and DIABRG then aggregate these values into group-level well-being and welfare. No axiom transfers that group-level value back to the value of Jessica's own life or to the WELFARE comparison for her life. The text itself concedes this: 'this is not to say Jessica's well-being and welfare increase... Rather, the well-being and welfare of the group is increased.' The concluding claim that the extension 'accommodates the value of Jessica's life' therefore equivocates between value for the group and value for her life. Since solving the original Jessica puzzle was presented as the central motivation in Section 2.2 and Section 3, this is a load-bearing failure.
[Section 3.1, FUN] The argument that groups bear BFO functions is insufficient. FUN requires that the bearer's physical makeup is a product of evolutionary processes or intentional design. The committee example asserts that the disposition is grounded in the members and that the group exists to serve a hiring purpose, but it does not establish that the physical makeup of the group (the members) is a product of intentional design in the BFO sense. The heart analogy is incomplete because a heart's physical constitution is explained by natural selection, whereas a committee's members are not products of the committee's design. If FUN is not satisfied for groups, the entire anchoring of group flourishing in BFO functions collapses.
[Section 3.2, ROLEWELF through DIABRG] The accommodation of Jessica's contribution is built into the definitions rather than derived from independent considerations. ROLEWELF stipulates that an activity's positive value is the degree of realization of the group's function; SYNCAGRO defines group well-being as a function of those values; IDT identifies group well-being with that aggregate; DIAGRO aggregates diachronically; DIABRG correlates aggregate well-being with welfare; and GRPLIFE defines the value of a group's life via welfare. The Section 4 case study therefore follows analytically from the axioms and provides no independent support for the view that sacrifice contributes to flourishing. This is not an objection if the goal is merely to propose definitions, but the paper presents the result as a substantive philosophical payoff.
[Section 4, neutrality bullets] The account is not neutral in the advertised sense. ROLEWELF itself is a substantive normative commitment: it claims that activities have positive value exactly to the extent that they realize a group's function. That claim is not entailed by hedonism, desire-satisfaction, or objective-list theories as characterized in Section 2. The bullets in Section 4 show only that each theory can be modeled alongside ROLEWELF, which is compatibility, not neutrality. A theory-neutral framework should not presuppose the functionalist value assignment that does the work in the Jessica case.

minor comments (7)

[Section 2, opening paragraph] The phrase 'a pale of water' should be 'a pail of water.'
[Section 2, WELFARE] The variable p in 'the value of a life p for S' is never defined; presumably p denotes a life path or plan, but this needs clarification.
[Section 3.2, GRPLIFE] The sentence 'GRPLIFE works much like LIFE' refers to a principle named LIFE that has not been introduced; WELFARE is presumably intended.
[Section 4, first paragraph] The text says 'when Jill is the sole member' but the running example in this section concerns Jessica; this appears to be a typo.
[Abstract] The phrase 'group functional' is likely a typo for 'group functions.'
[Footnote 6] The footnote cites reference [6] (Haslam and Lusher) for the point about distinguishing nonexistent agents from shoes, but that reference does not support the claim; the intended citation appears to be missing.
[Section 3.1, final paragraph of the argument] The sentence 'there is this a methodological gap' contains a grammatical error and should be revised.

Circularity Check

1 steps flagged · score 8.0 of 10

The advertised accommodation of the value of Jessica's life is produced by stipulative definitions and a final equivocation between group-relative value and individual life value.

self definitional [Section 3.2 (ROLEWELF, SYNCAGRO, IDT) and Section 4]
"The value of an activity c associated with role R for group G’s member S instantiating R at time t in world w is of positive degree to the extent it realizes G’s function at t in w... Jessica’s pursuance of these activities made some progress towards this aim, and that is sufficient for counting these activities as having positive value, by ROLEWELF."

ROLEWELF defines an activity's value solely as the degree to which it realizes G's function. The paper then applies this definition to Jessica and, via SYNCAGRO/IDT/DIAGRO/DIABRG, concludes that her activities raise the group's well-being and welfare. That conclusion is analytic: the value was stipulated to be function-realization, and group well-being was stipulated to aggregate those values. The final paragraph then converts this stipulated group-relative value into 'the value of Jessica's life,' even though the same section concedes that Jessica's individual well-being and welfare do not increase. No axiom transfers group flourishing back to Jessica's life; the advertised accommodation is thus the initial stipulation wearing a new name, not a consequence of the Counterfactual Account.

full rationale

The BFO function/role machinery is not itself circular: the paper argues by analogy that groups have BFO functions, and the BFO definitions are external standards rather than an unverified self-citation chain. The circularity is confined to the central application. ROLEWELF, SYNCAGRO, IDT, DIAGRO, and DIABRG are stipulations that encode the desired group-flourishing conclusion, and the final claim that the extension 'accommodates the value of Jessica's life' redefines life-value as group-relative contribution value. The paper is transparent about the individual-level limitation, but the conclusion nevertheless blurs the two senses of 'value.' Because the advertised central result is achieved by definitional construction and equivocation rather than by independent derivation, the circularity score is 8.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 4 assumptions · 1 invented entities

The central claim rests entirely on stipulated definitions and BFO background assumptions. There are no empirical parameters, no fitted values, and no independent benchmark against which the framework is tested. The most consequential choice is ROLEWELF, which defines value in terms of group function realization, and the correlation principles BRIDGE and DIABRG.

assumptions (4)

domain assumption Groups bear BFO functions in the same sense as biological parts and designed artifacts.
The paper extends BFO's function definition to groups in Section 3.1, assuming that a group's members constitute a physical makeup arising from intentional design.
ad hoc to paper The value of a member's role activity is positive to the extent it realizes the group's function.
This is stated in ROLEWELF in Section 3.2 and is the mechanism that makes Jessica's contribution valuable. It is stipulated rather than derived.
ad hoc to paper A group's aggregate well-being is positively correlated with its welfare.
BRIDGE in Section 2.1 and DIABRG in Section 3.2 introduce this correlation as a stipulation, with the paper admitting it punts on what the correlation amounts to.
domain assumption The counterfactual account from the cited literature, including COUNT, AGGRO, and WELFARE, is accepted as a starting point.
The paper builds on these external principles without re-deriving them, and the extension inherits their commitments, including nearest-world similarity.

invented entities (1)

Group flourishing as a distinct evaluative dimension
purpose: To evaluate the well-being of groups over time separately from individual well-being and welfare
The paper introduces group flourishing as the target of the proposed ontology, but it provides no falsifiable handle outside its own definitions and examples.

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Pith. "Pith review of How Group Lives Go Well." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/QHHRPWFE

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  year         = {2026},
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This paper explores the ontological space of group well being, proposing a framework for representing collective welfare, group functions, and long term contributions within an ontology engineering context. Traditional well being theories focus on individual states, often relying on hedonistic, desire satisfaction, or objective list models. Such approaches struggle to account for cases where individual sacrifices contribute to broader social progress, a critical challenge in modeling group flourishing. To address this, the paper refines and extends the Counterfactual Account (CT) of well being, which evaluates goodness of an event by comparing an individual's actual well being with a hypothetical counterpart in a nearby possible world. While useful, this framework is insufficient for group level ontologies, where well being depends on functional persistence, institutional roles, and historical impact rather than immediate individual outcomes. Drawing on Basic Formal Ontology (BFO), the paper introduces a model in which group flourishing is evaluated in terms of group functional, where members bear roles and exhibit persistence conditions akin to biological systems or designed artifacts. This approach enables semantic interoperability for modeling longitudinal social contributions, allowing for structured reasoning about group welfare, social institutions, and group flourishing over time.

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Introduction Well-being has been explored for thousands of years [1]; it is a popular topic among researchers, with scholars from various disciplines contributing to its understanding. In recent decades, there has been a significant increase in research on well-being within behavioral and biomedical sciences, including psychiatry, personality and social p...

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The Counterfactual Analysis Suppose Jack and Jill run up a hill to fetch a pale of water as part of an exercise routine. Jack tumbles down, hits his head, and experiences pain. Jack hitting his head is a bad event for Jack. One explanation for why trades on the intuition that Jack would have been better off had he not hit his head. This intuition is often...

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Suppose Jessica spent much of her life frustrated, in psychological/physical pain, and unsatisfied since her noble activities had little effect

Group Flourishing Suppose Jessica was a women’s rights activist long before such ideas gained wider traction. Suppose Jessica spent much of her life frustrated, in psychological/physical pain, and unsatisfied since her noble activities had little effect. Consider some frustrating event for Jessica, i.e. being incarcerated for attempting to hold a rally. C...

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Jessica’s pursuance of these activities made some progress towards this aim, and that is sufficient for counting these activities as having positive value, by ROLEWELF

Ontological Foundations for Well-Being and Group Flourishing Jessica’s well-being and welfare were low, but it is plausible Jessica was a member of a group – instantiating a role with correlated activities - whose function was to eliminate discriminatory practices. Jessica’s pursuance of these activities made some progress towards this aim, and that is su...

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Conclusion The central aim of this paper was to address the limitations of existing philosophical analyses of well-being when applied to individuals and groups in the interest of offering a foundation for ontological representations of such phenomena, leveraging resources from BFO. BFO roles and functions provided a strategy for connecting the well-being ...

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Lewis, D. (1979). Counterfactuals. Malden: Blackwell Publishers [17] Sidgwick, H. (1907/1982), The Methods of Ethics, 7th edition, John Rawls (ed.), Indianapolis: Hackett. [18] Yu X. Hidden Desires: A Unified Strategy for Defending the Desire-Satisfaction Theory. Utilitas. 2022;34(4):445-460. doi:10.1017/S0953820822000309 [19] Rice, C.M. Objective List Th...

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Introduction Well-being has been explored for thousands of years [1]; it is a popular topic among researchers, with scholars from various disciplines contributing to its understanding. In recent decades, there has been a significant increase in research on well-being within behavioral and biomedical sciences, including psychiatry, personality and social p...

work page

[2] [2]

well-being

The Counterfactual Analysis Suppose Jack and Jill run up a hill to fetch a pale of water as part of an exercise routine. Jack tumbles down, hits his head, and experiences pain. Jack hitting his head is a bad event for Jack. One explanation for why trades on the intuition that Jack would have been better off had he not hit his head. This intuition is often...

work page

[3] [3]

Suppose Jessica spent much of her life frustrated, in psychological/physical pain, and unsatisfied since her noble activities had little effect

Group Flourishing Suppose Jessica was a women’s rights activist long before such ideas gained wider traction. Suppose Jessica spent much of her life frustrated, in psychological/physical pain, and unsatisfied since her noble activities had little effect. Consider some frustrating event for Jessica, i.e. being incarcerated for attempting to hold a rally. C...

work page

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Jessica’s pursuance of these activities made some progress towards this aim, and that is sufficient for counting these activities as having positive value, by ROLEWELF

Ontological Foundations for Well-Being and Group Flourishing Jessica’s well-being and welfare were low, but it is plausible Jessica was a member of a group – instantiating a role with correlated activities - whose function was to eliminate discriminatory practices. Jessica’s pursuance of these activities made some progress towards this aim, and that is su...

work page

[5] [5]

Conclusion The central aim of this paper was to address the limitations of existing philosophical analyses of well-being when applied to individuals and groups in the interest of offering a foundation for ontological representations of such phenomena, leveraging resources from BFO. BFO roles and functions provided a strategy for connecting the well-being ...

arXiv 1991

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Lewis, D. (1979). Counterfactuals. Malden: Blackwell Publishers [17] Sidgwick, H. (1907/1982), The Methods of Ethics, 7th edition, John Rawls (ed.), Indianapolis: Hackett. [18] Yu X. Hidden Desires: A Unified Strategy for Defending the Desire-Satisfaction Theory. Utilitas. 2022;34(4):445-460. doi:10.1017/S0953820822000309 [19] Rice, C.M. Objective List Th...

arXiv 1979