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Current editing techniques struggle significantly with factual opinions in LLMs, often achieving only superficial changes while failing to preserve consistency with self-generated evidence.
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load-bearing objection The paper adds a benchmark for opinion editing and a simple alignment trick, but its core claim rests on a weak proxy that may not distinguish editing failure from normal model behavior. the 2 major comments →
Can Factual Opinions Be Edited (Manipulated) in Large Language Models?
The pith
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Core claim
Current editing techniques struggle significantly with factual opinions, often achieving only superficial changes while failing to preserve consistency between the edited opinion and the supporting evidence generated by the model. A simple Self-Generated Evidence-Aligned method achieves opinion-evidence alignment without relying on explicit instructions.
What carries the argument
The FOE benchmark, which supplies complete opinion records tied to public figures and issue categories, used to test whether edited opinions remain consistent with model-generated evidence; paired with the Self-Generated Evidence-Aligned editing approach that enforces this alignment internally.
Load-bearing premise
That the collected opinion records from public figures accurately reflect real documented stances and that consistency between an edited opinion and the model's own generated evidence serves as a valid proxy for successful manipulation.
What would settle it
A test set of edited opinions where independent human judges or external fact-checkers rate the edited opinion as both accurate to the target stance and fully consistent with the model's generated evidence at rates matching or exceeding unedited baselines.
If this is right
- Manipulating public figures' opinions on societal issues could alter perceived public images or influence views without the model producing matching supporting facts.
- Existing editing approaches create models that state changed opinions yet generate contradictory evidence, increasing the chance of internal inconsistency detection.
- The Self-Generated Evidence-Aligned method demonstrates that alignment can be achieved through internal generation rather than added prompts.
- Security evaluations of LLMs must expand beyond atomic facts to include opinion-level edits that carry societal impact.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If consistency failures are common, automated detectors could scan model outputs for opinion-evidence mismatches as a signal of prior editing.
- The approach of using self-generated evidence might extend to other subjective or value-laden content beyond public-figure stances.
- Real-world deployment of such edits could affect downstream applications like news summarization or political analysis tools that rely on model opinions.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript introduces the FOE benchmark (2,178 opinion records from 261 public figures across 19 issue categories) to evaluate knowledge editing on factual opinions in LLMs. It claims current methods produce only superficial changes and fail to preserve consistency between the edited opinion and the model's self-generated supporting evidence. It further proposes a Self-Generated Evidence-Aligned editing method that improves opinion-evidence alignment without explicit instructions.
Significance. If the findings hold, the work identifies a gap in existing editing techniques for opinion-level manipulation with potential societal implications. The FOE benchmark itself is a concrete contribution that supplies a reusable testbed for this class of edits. The proposed alignment method is simple and does not require additional supervision, which is a practical strength.
major comments (2)
- [Evaluation section] Evaluation section: the central claim that methods 'struggle significantly' rests on consistency between the edited opinion and self-generated evidence as the primary success metric. The manuscript provides no ablation or control experiment that distinguishes editing failure from the model's general ability to rationalize any stance, leaving open the possibility that the observed inconsistency is an artifact of the evaluation protocol rather than a property of the editing techniques.
- [§3] Benchmark construction (§3): the assertion that the 2,178 records are 'complete opinion records' of documented stances requires explicit verification details (e.g., source citations, inter-annotator agreement, or cross-checks against primary documents for each public figure). Without these, the 'factual' designation and downstream claims about manipulation risk rest on an unverified premise.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] Abstract: reports 'struggle significantly' and 'superficial changes' but supplies no numerical metrics, baselines, or statistical tests, which reduces the abstract's informativeness.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the constructive feedback on our manuscript. The comments identify important areas for strengthening the evaluation and benchmark documentation. We respond to each major comment below and indicate planned revisions.
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Referee: [Evaluation section] Evaluation section: the central claim that methods 'struggle significantly' rests on consistency between the edited opinion and self-generated evidence as the primary success metric. The manuscript provides no ablation or control experiment that distinguishes editing failure from the model's general ability to rationalize any stance, leaving open the possibility that the observed inconsistency is an artifact of the evaluation protocol rather than a property of the editing techniques.
Authors: We acknowledge this is a valid concern regarding potential confounds in the evaluation protocol. The current results compare post-edit consistency against the original opinion-evidence pairs, but do not fully isolate whether inconsistencies arise from editing or from the model's baseline rationalization tendencies. In the revised manuscript, we will add control experiments including: (1) consistency measurements on unedited original opinions as a baseline, and (2) tests on randomly assigned or counterfactual stances to assess the model's general ability to generate supporting evidence. These additions will be reported in an expanded Evaluation section to better substantiate the claim that editing methods struggle specifically with factual opinion consistency. revision: yes
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Referee: [§3] Benchmark construction (§3): the assertion that the 2,178 records are 'complete opinion records' of documented stances requires explicit verification details (e.g., source citations, inter-annotator agreement, or cross-checks against primary documents for each public figure). Without these, the 'factual' designation and downstream claims about manipulation risk rest on an unverified premise.
Authors: We agree that explicit verification details are required to support the benchmark's claims. The FOE records were derived from publicly documented stances of public figures drawn from news reports and official sources. In the revision, we will expand §3 and add an appendix with: sample source citations for each category, a description of the collection and verification process (including cross-checks against primary documents), and clarification on whether inter-annotator agreement was computed. This will provide the necessary transparency for the 'factual' designation without altering the benchmark itself. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity detected
full rationale
The paper introduces an empirical benchmark (FOE) constructed from public figures' documented stances and performs direct evaluations of existing editing techniques plus a new alignment method. No equations, derivations, fitted parameters, or self-citation chains appear in the provided text. The central claims rest on benchmark construction and experimental results rather than any reduction of outputs to inputs by definition or self-reference. This is self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption LLMs possess editable internal representations of factual opinions that can be targeted by existing knowledge-editing techniques
read the original abstract
Large Language Models (LLMs) are increasingly integrated into various domains, making knowledge editing techniques crucial yet potentially hazardous. Current editing methods primarily target atomic facts, overlooking the significant risks associated with manipulating factual opinions, e.g., documented stances of public figures on societal issues. Such manipulation could reshape public images, influence elections, and alter societal views. To systematically assess this threat, we introduce the Factual Opinion Editing with Evidence (FOE) benchmark, which encompasses 261 public figures, 19 issue categories, and 2,178 complete opinion records. Our evaluations demonstrate that current editing techniques struggle significantly with factual opinions, often achieving only superficial changes while failing to preserve consistency between the edited opinion and the supporting evidence generated by the model. To address this limitation, we further propose a simple yet effective Self-Generated Evidence-Aligned method that achieves opinion-evidence alignment without relying on explicit instructions. Together, our benchmark and method provide a foundation for understanding the emerging security implications of factual opinion editing in LLMs.
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