REVIEW 3 major objections 6 minor 53 references
Two-Steps Neural Networks for an Automated Cerebrovascular Landmark Detection
T0 review · 3 major / 6 minor · reviewed 2026-08-06 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read The paper claims that a two-step pipeline—nnDetection for coarse regions of interest followed by a U-Net for heatmap refinement—achieves the highest Circle of Willis bifurcation landmark detection accuracy on its test sets, with mean…
desk verdict A sensible two-step cascade for Circle of Willis landmarks, but the 'highest performance' claim is under-supported without the [40] comparison and error bars. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The mechanism has two stages. Stage one is nnDetection, a self-configuring 3D object detector built on a Retina U-Net topology; it regresses fixed-size bounding boxes centered on bifurcations, with ten classes that group landmarks that often sit close together and look alike (A/B, C/G, D/H are paired into single ROIs). Stage two is a residual 3D U-Net with deep supervision that takes $32^{3}$ patches cropped from the proposed ROIs and regresses Gaussian heatmaps for all thirteen labels; the argmax of the relevant heatmap channel gives the coordinate, and a peak-intensity threshold decides whether a landmark is present. The heatmaps from multiple decoder levels are merged by multiplication so that only locations agreed upon across scales survive. At inference only the highest-scoring ROI per label is kept, and the second stage can only refine inside those boxes.
What would settle it
Take the In-House test set and inspect the stage-1 nnDetection proposals before the top-1 selection: if any true landmark is absent from the proposed ROIs or assigned the wrong label, the pipeline cannot recover it. Counting such cases across the 48 test volumes, especially for the MCA landmarks E and F, would directly show whether the 3 false negatives and the over-10 mm failures come from stage-1 misses rather than stage-2 localization.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
On its own terms, the central claim is that the correct architecture for vascular landmark detection is a coarse-to-fine pairing: an object-detection stage that localizes and labels candidate regions, followed by a heatmap-regression stage that refines coordinates inside those regions. The paper reports that this pairing outperforms both compared whole-volume heatmap-regression baselines on two datasets, with the largest advantage in false positives and in the MCA landmarks E and F that are visually similar and close together. It also claims the two-step structure makes the method robust to variable landmark counts, since the detector decides which landmarks exist in a given scan before the regressor tries to localize them. The aneurysm-bearing subset shows detection rates around 73 percent within 3 mm and 97 percent within 10 mm, with failure cases attributed to stage-1 ROI misclassification of MCA branches rather than to aneurysm presence.
Load-bearing premise
The whole pipeline assumes the first-stage detector always proposes a correct region of interest for every landmark that is actually present; only the highest-scoring box per label is kept, so if the right landmark is not the top box, the second stage never sees it and the landmark is lost.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- The method can be applied directly to raw MRA-TOF volumes; no centerline extraction, graph matching, or pre-segmentation step is required.
- Scans with missing bifurcations, whether from anatomical aplasia or hypoplasia or from acquisition protocols that cut off the posterior circulation, still get correct per-scan landmark counts instead of forced false positives.
- The false-positive count drops from 47 to 9 on the In-House test set because the heatmap stage never searches the full volume, only the proposed ROIs.
- The same two-stage recipe should transfer to other anatomical landmark sets where landmarks are locally similar and variable in number.
Reading between the lines
- The top-1 ROI selection rule makes recall the silent bottleneck: the paper’s own failure cases for E and F are stage-1 misclassifications, which implies that keeping a small set of candidate ROIs per label or adding a second-pass search could recover misses without re-introducing 47 false positives.
- The paired-ROI trick suggests a general recipe: when two landmarks are close and visually confusable, merge them into one detection class and let the heatmap channels separate them.
- On the complete-landmark public dataset the margin over SCN is smaller, so the two-step design may pay off most precisely in the variable-anatomy regime; this could be tested by removing the detector and running the same stage-2 U-Net on full-volume heatmaps, which the paper does not do.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper introduces a two-step deep learning pipeline for detecting thirteen Circle of Willis (CoW) bifurcation landmarks in MRA Time-of-Flight images. In the first step, a 3D nnDetection model proposes and classifies regions of interest (ROIs) around landmarks, with some ROIs grouping nearby landmark pairs (A/B, C/G, D/H). In the second step, a modified 3D U-Net with deep supervision regresses Gaussian heatmaps within each ROI to obtain final landmark coordinates. The method is evaluated on an in-house dataset of 145 scans and a public dataset of 104 scans, and is compared against reimplementations of SCN and FARNet. The paper reports a mean radial error of 1.97 mm on the in-house test set and 1.47 mm on the public test set, with fewer false positives than the baselines, and claims the highest level of performance on the bifurcation detection task. An additional experiment examines detection rates on 134 aneurysm-bearing scans.
Significance. If the reported results hold, the two-step design is practically valuable: the ROI stage provides a natural mechanism for handling scans with variable numbers of present landmarks, and the false-positive reduction relative to global heatmap regression is clinically relevant. The paper gives credit to a clear and reproducible pipeline description, a public-dataset evaluation, and explicit reporting of false positives and false negatives. However, the central 'highest performance' claim is not yet supported: the most directly relevant prior method on the public dataset, the multi-task U-Net of [40] that produced the landmark annotations, is never compared, and all metrics are point estimates without error bars or significance tests. The strengths are real but the evidence base is currently insufficient for the strength of the claim.
major comments (3)
- [§III-D2, Table II] The abstract and Section III claim the 'highest level of performance,' but the most directly relevant prior method on the public dataset, the multi-task U-Net of [40] that produced the 19-landmark annotations, is never included in Tables I or II. Without [40] in the comparison, the state-of-the-art claim is unsupported. Moreover, on the public set FARNet attains SDR-5 = 96.28% versus 95.62% for the proposed method (Table II), so the proposed method is not the best on every reported metric; this discrepancy needs analysis (e.g., which landmarks and thresholds drive FARNet's advantage).
- [§III-C, Tables I-II] All comparison metrics are point estimates from a single train/test split, with no error bars, confidence intervals, or significance tests. The reported MRE differences (0.24–0.76 mm) may be within run-to-run variability, especially given that the SCN and FARNet baselines are reimplementations 'with their default settings' and no evidence is given that they reproduce the published methods' performance. Please add repeated-seed runs, confidence intervals, and at least a paired test (e.g., Wilcoxon signed-rank over landmarks or scans), or explicitly restrict the claim to 'comparable to' rather than 'highest.'
- [§II-B3, §III-E] The inference procedure keeps only the highest-scoring ROI per label, so any missed or mislabeled first-stage proposal is unrecoverable; the paper acknowledges this for landmarks E and F in the aneurysm experiment. Because the method's large false-positive reduction is achieved by this hard selection, the trade-off between missed landmarks and false positives should be quantified (e.g., by sweeping the ROI retention threshold or reporting recall of the first stage). As written, the reader cannot tell how much of the improvement comes from the ROI mechanism versus the heatmap refinement.
minor comments (6)
- [§II-B] There is a typo: 'we lake use of' should read 'we make use of.'
- [§III-D2] The text says 'median radial error (MRE) of 1.47 mm,' but MRE is defined as the mean radial error in §III-B; please correct the terminology.
- [§III-E] There is a typo: 'nnDetction' should be 'nnDetection.'
- [Fig. 9] The y-axis of Fig. 9 is unlabeled; please specify that the distance is in millimeters.
- [§II-A2] The text introduces '10 classes' corresponding to 10 ROIs, but three of these classes group two landmarks each; it would be clearer to state explicitly that 10 ROI classes cover the 13 landmark labels.
- [§II-A2, §II-B2] The bounding-box size (32 voxels), the grouping of A/B, C/G, D/H, the Gaussian sigma, and the acceptance threshold th are validation-time design choices; a sensitivity analysis, even on the validation set, would strengthen the presentation.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the paper is an empirical benchmark whose two-stage pipeline is evaluated against reimplemented baselines on held-out test sets; no derivation reduces to fitted inputs or self-cited results.
full rationale
This paper is an empirical benchmarking study, not a formal derivation, and its central claims are supported by independent test-set evaluations. The two-step pipeline (nnDetection ROI proposal followed by U-Net heatmap refinement) is a standard architecture combination; the ground-truth bounding boxes are centered on annotated landmark coordinates, and the ground-truth heatmaps are Gaussian functions of the same coordinates. Inference locates each landmark by the argmax of the relevant predicted heatmap channel, and detection thresholds are chosen on validation data and then applied to unseen test data. None of these steps equates a fitted parameter with the reported prediction: the bounding-box size is a design choice, the heatmap sigma is a fixed dispersion parameter, and the validation-derived threshold is not used to construct the ground-truth labels for the comparison methods. The only self-citation is reference [39], which supplies the In-House dataset and a narrative prior method; the paper does not rely on [39] for any equation or for the reported metric values. Comparisons are made against reimplementations of SCN [8] and FARNet [26] with default settings on the same test splits, and the reported MRE/SDR/FP numbers are direct outcomes of those runs. Concerns about the absence of a comparison with [40], the lack of error bars or significance tests, and the possibility that the reimplementations do not reproduce the published baselines are legitimate threats to the strength of the 'highest performance' claim, but they are correctness or external-validity issues, not circularity. No equation in the paper reduces by construction to its inputs, and no load-bearing premise is justified only by a self-citation. The circularity score is therefore 0.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (4)
- ROI bounding box size (single-landmark) =
32 voxels
- ROI bounding box grouping for A/B, C/G, D/H =
unified box enclosing two 32-voxel boxes
- Heatmap Gaussian standard deviation sigma =
not reported
- Heatmap acceptance threshold th =
40 (voxel intensity units)
assumptions (5)
- domain assumption The 13 selected bifurcations are the clinically relevant landmarks and the manual annotations are correct.
- domain assumption For the In-House dataset, a missing artery implies the corresponding landmark is absent and should not be detected.
- domain assumption nnDetection's self-configuring defaults are suitable after only augmentation changes.
- ad hoc to paper Nearby landmark pairs A/B, C/G, and D/H can be grouped into single ROIs without degrading classification.
- ad hoc to paper The test-time threshold derived from validation data transfers to unseen test distributions.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Two-Steps Neural Networks for an Automated Cerebrovascular Landmark Detection." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/UC6D6IGH
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read the original abstract
Intracranial aneurysms (ICA) commonly occur in specific segments of the Circle of Willis (CoW), primarily, onto thirteen major arterial bifurcations. An accurate detection of these critical landmarks is necessary for a prompt and efficient diagnosis. We introduce a fully automated landmark detection approach for CoW bifurcations using a two-step neural networks process. Initially, an object detection network identifies regions of interest (ROIs) proximal to the landmark locations. Subsequently, a modified U-Net with deep supervision is exploited to accurately locate the bifurcations. This two-step method reduces various problems, such as the missed detections caused by two landmarks being close to each other and having similar visual characteristics, especially when processing the complete MRA Time-of-Flight (TOF). Additionally, it accounts for the anatomical variability of the CoW, which affects the number of detectable landmarks per scan. We assessed the effectiveness of our approach using two cerebral MRA datasets: our In-House dataset which had varying numbers of landmarks, and a public dataset with standardized landmark configuration. Our experimental results demonstrate that our method achieves the highest level of performance on a bifurcation detection task.
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