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I'm Sorry for Your Loss: Spectrally-Based Audio Distances Are Bad at Pitch

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arxiv 2012.04572 v2 pith:VPBZIUGL submitted 2020-12-08 cs.SD cs.AIcs.LGeess.AS

classification cs.SDcs.AIcs.LGeess.AS
keywords audiopitchdistanceslossespoorsyntheticassumptionsaudio-to-audio
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Growing research demonstrates that synthetic failure modes imply poor generalization. We compare commonly used audio-to-audio losses on a synthetic benchmark, measuring the pitch distance between two stationary sinusoids. The results are surprising: many have poor sense of pitch direction. These shortcomings are exposed using simple rank assumptions. Our task is trivial for humans but difficult for these audio distances, suggesting significant progress can be made in self-supervised audio learning by improving current losses.

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