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Towards measuring Entanglement Entropies in Many Body Systems

Statistical Mechanics · Submitted 28 Feb 2006 · 25 references

Pith's verdict: Correct and useful core inequality, but 'in general' overclaims; needs a refocused abstract and a cleaned-up Eq. (8).

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CitationAlessandro Silva, Gil Refael, Israel Klich. "Towards measuring Entanglement Entropies in Many Body Systems." arXiv:cond-mat/0603004 (2006). https://pith.science/paper/2BRNADVO
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The paper claims

For pure states, measuring a conserved observable gives a lower bound on entanglement entropy.

The reading

This paper establishes a direct, measurable route to entanglement entropy in many-body systems. It shows that when a pure bipartite state is an eigenstate of a local symmetry observable of the form $\hat O_A\otimes I + I\otimes \hat O_B$, the Shannon entropy of the measured outcomes of $\hat O_A$ is always a lower bound on the von Neumann entanglement entropy. In states where the conditional reduced states are pure, the bound is saturated and the histogram of measurement outcomes gives the entanglement entropy exactly. This matters because entanglement entropy is usually an abstract quantity that is hard to access experimentally, while outcome distributions of conserved observables are in principle measurable. The paper also shows how to extract the entropy from full counting statistics in noninteracting fermion systems and from spin fluctuations in the random singlet phase.

What carries the argument

The central object is the class $L$ of observables of the form $\hat O = \hat O_A\otimes I + I\otimes \hat O_B$ for which the state of interest is an eigenstate. The load-bearing identity is $S_E = S[\hat O_A] - \sum_\alpha P_\alpha \, \mathrm{tr}\,\rho_\alpha \log \rho_\alpha \ge S[\hat O_A]$, which connects the von Neumann entropy of the reduced density matrix to the Shannon entropy of the measurement outcomes of $\hat O_A$. This identity carries the argument because it converts an abstract entanglement quantifier into a distribution that can in principle be measured experimentally.

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Core claim

The central claim is the identity in Eq. (1): for a pure bipartite state that is an eigenstate of $\hat O_A\otimes I + I\otimes \hat O_B$, the entanglement entropy decomposes as $S_E = S[\hat O_A] - \sum_\alpha P_\alpha \, \mathrm{tr}\,\rho_\alpha \log \rho_\alpha \ge S[\hat O_A]$, where $P_\alpha$ are the probabilities of the outcomes of $\hat O_A$ and $\rho_\alpha$ are the conditional reduced states. Therefore the Shannon (measurement) entropy $S[\hat O_A]$ of the symmetry observable always lower-bounds the entanglement entropy, and equality holds exactly when every $\rho_\alpha$ is pure, for instance when the eigenvalue $\alpha$ is non-degenerate. Moreover, the paper shows that $S_E = \max_{O\in L} S[\hat O_A]$, so the entanglement entropy is the maximum measurement entropy over the class $L$ of observables for which the state is an eigenstate. This relation is then used to obtain the entropy in examples including a BEC state, a two-mode squeezed state, the Dicke model, noninteracting fermions, and the strongly disordered XXZ spin chain.

Load-bearing premise

The method assumes the physical system has a conserved or symmetry observable of the form $\hat O_A\otimes I + I\otimes \hat O_B$ that is compatible with the state's Schmidt decomposition, and that this observable can be measured; the authors note in footnote 9 that not every Hamiltonian admits such an observable.

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  • In any pure state with a conserved observable of the form $\hat O_A\otimes I + I\otimes \hat O_B$ and non-degenerate Schmidt coefficients, repeated measurement of $\hat O_A$ directly yields the entanglement entropy as the Shannon entropy of the outcome distribution.
  • For noninteracting fermions, the entanglement entropy of a spatial region can be expressed as a convergent series in the cumulants of the particle number in that region, with universal coefficients that are independent of the fermionic eigenmodes.
  • In the random singlet phase of the disordered XXZ chain, the entanglement entropy of a segment equals four times the variance of the total $S^z$ in that segment, so measuring spin fluctuations gives the entropy directly.
  • The measurement entropy of a symmetry observable provides a general lower bound that can be used even when the system is not exactly solvable, as long as a suitable conserved or symmetry observable exists.
  • For extensive observables with Gaussian outcome distributions, the measurement entropy grows at most logarithmically with the variance, so the variance itself often serves as a useful entanglement proxy.

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  • The identity suggests a practical experimental protocol: in cold-atom systems with a conserved particle number, the histogram of atom counts in a subregion could directly estimate the entanglement entropy without full state tomography; the authors sketch this for fermions in a trap but do not develop the protocol in detail.
  • A similar logic might extend to mixed states at finite temperature, where the measured entropy would combine thermal and entanglement contributions; the paper notes this limitation but leaves the extrapolation to $T=0$ as future work.
  • The universal cumulant coefficients for free fermions imply that the same data-analysis procedure could be applied across different noninteracting systems, so a single measurement protocol might work for trapped fermions, mesoscopic conductors, and optical lattices.
  • The observed failure of the variance-entropy inequality in some resonating valence bond states with strong ferromagnetic correlations suggests that variance-based entanglement estimation requires conditions beyond mere conservation of the observable.
Original abstract

We explore the relation between entanglement entropy of quantum many body systems and the distribution of corresponding, properly selected, observables. Such a relation is necessary to actually measure the entanglement entropy. We show that in general, the Shannon entropy of the probability distribution of certain symmetry observables gives a lower bound to the entropy. In some cases this bound is saturated and directly gives the entropy. We also show other cases in which the probability distribution contains enough information to extract the entropy: we show how this is done in several examples including BEC wave functions, the Dicke model, XY spin chain and chains with strong randomness.

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We explore the relation between entanglement entropy of quantum many body systems and the distribution of corresponding, properly selected, observables. Such a relation is necessary to actually measure the entanglement entropy. We show that in general, the Shannon entropy of the probability distribution of certain symmetry observables gives a lower bound to the entropy. In some cases this bound is saturated and directly gives the entropy. We also show other cases in which the probability distribution contains enough information to extract the entropy: we show how this is done in several examples including BEC wave functions, the Dicke model, XY spin chain and chains with strong randomness.

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s3 In some cases this bound is saturated and directly gives the entropy. result 0.98 0.83 0.16 asserted 0.83
s4 We also show other cases in which the probability distribution contains enough information to extract the entropy: we show how this is done in several examples including BEC wave functions, the Dicke model, XY spin chain and chains with strong randomness. contribution 0.75 0.94 0.25 asserted 1.00

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4 arXiv papers cite this in 6 sentences

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  • In the context of condensed matter, even cumulants of conserved charges—in particular the variance—have received considerable attention [ref] .

    Full-counting statistics of corner charge fluctuations · Introduction · 0.98

  • An interesting proposal relates entanglement in a bipartitioned system (between the subsystem $A$ and its complement) to fluctuations of a conserved $U(1)$ charge, such as the particle number, across the partition boundary [ref] , for systems that can be mapped to non-interacting fermions.

    Aspects of capacity of entanglement · Bipartite particle fluctuations and entanglement fluctuations · 0.94

  • We also note that in the quantum context, fluctuations have been used to characterize fractional charge [ref] , as well as to characterize the many-body entanglement of quantum states [ref] .

    Random walk with horizontal and cyclic currents · Introduction · 0.94

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