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On The Problem of Constraints In Nonextensive Formalism: A Quantum Mechanical Treatment

Statistical Mechanics · Submitted 2 Mar 2006 · 32 references

Pith's verdict: Real Werner-state calculation, but the negative-values punchline is an artifact of an unregularized singular state; needs revision before it publishes.

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CitationAltug Arda, Gokhan B. Bagci, Ramazan Sever. "On The Problem of Constraints In Nonextensive Formalism: A Quantum Mechanical Treatment." arXiv:cond-mat/0603047 (2006). https://pith.science/paper/LOYE5AV6
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The paper claims

Two quantum relative entropies disagree on Werner states because they encode different constraints in nonextensive thermostatistics.

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The paper sets out to resolve an apparent inconsistency in Tsallis nonextensive statistics: two quantum relative entropies, the Bregman-type divergence and the Csiszár-type divergence, give different answers when used to measure the purity of a Werner state. It argues that the discrepancy is not a flaw but a fingerprint, because the Bregman divergence is the natural free-energy difference for thermostatistics built on ordinary expectation values (first choice), while the Csiszár divergence is the natural free-energy difference for thermostatistics built on normalized $q$-expectation values (third choice). For $q\in(0,1)$, the Csiszár expression is positive and well-behaved, whereas the Bregman expression becomes negative for fidelity $F<1$, which the paper reads as evidence that the third-choice constraint scheme is the consistent one. It closes with a no-go result: rewriting the Bregman divergence through escort probabilities and $q\to1/q$ does not yield a legitimate third-choice relative entropy, because the escort normalization is an identity rather than an independent constraint and the escort entropy is nonconcave in some intervals.

What carries the argument

The load-bearing objects are the two quantum relative entropies themselves. The Csiszár-type divergence is $I_q(\rho\|\sigma)=\frac{1}{q-1}[\mathrm{Tr}(\rho^q\sigma^{1-q})-1]$, and the Bregman-type divergence is $D_q(\rho\|\sigma)=\frac{1}{q-1}[\mathrm{Tr}(\rho^q)-\mathrm{Tr}(\rho\sigma^{q-1})]-[\mathrm{Tr}(\rho\sigma^{q-1})-\mathrm{Tr}(\sigma^q)]$. The argument uses the Werner state as the discriminating test system, the maximum-entropy variational problems of Eqs. (29) and (32) as the interpretive bridge, and the escort substitution $p_i\to P_i=p_i^q/\sum_jp_j^q$ with $q\to1/q$ as the route whose failure establishes the no-go conclusion. Substituting the maximum-entropy distributions back into the divergences is what turns each divergence into a free-energy difference, tying each to one constraint choice.

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Core claim

The central claim is that the Bregman-type quantum relative entropy $D_q(\rho\|\sigma)$ and the Csiszár-type quantum relative entropy $I_q(\rho\|\sigma)$ are not rival definitions of the same quantity but expressions of two different thermostatistical constraint choices. On the Werner state $\rho_W$ with fidelity $F$, Csiszár gives $I_q=(1-F^q)/(1-q)$, which is positive for $q\in(0,1)$ and grows as $F$ falls, while Bregman gives $D_q=\frac{1}{q-1}[F^q+3(\frac{1-F}{3})^q-F]-(F-1)$, which is negative for $q\in(0,1)$ and $F<1$ and falls with $F$. The paper identifies the cause by substituting each divergence into its own maximum-entropy distribution: the Bregman form becomes the free-energy difference under ordinary expectation values (Eq. 35), and the Csiszár form becomes the free-energy difference under normalized $q$-expectation values (Eq. 36). It then considers whether the Bregman form can be adapted to the third choice by the escort transformation $p_i\to P_i=p_i^q/\sum_jp_j^q$ with $q\to1/q$ and concludes that it cannot: the escort normalization is an identity, and the escort entropy is not concave in some regimes.

Load-bearing premise

The argument depends on identifying a divergence's compatibility with a constraint with its being writable as a free-energy difference under that constraint's maximum-entropy distribution, and on treating the escort substitution as the only way to give the Bregman form a third-choice meaning.

Editorial extensions

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  • For $q\in(0,1)$, the Csiszár divergence on Werner states is positive and increases as fidelity $F$ decreases, whereas the Bregman divergence is negative and decreases with $F$; the two measures differ in sign and in qualitative trend.
  • Each divergence is a free-energy difference, but only when paired with its matching constraint: Bregman with ordinary expectation values and Csiszár with normalized $q$-expectation values.
  • The escort-probability rewriting of the Bregman divergence fails as a third-choice relative entropy because it treats an identity as a constraint and because the escort entropy is nonconcave in some intervals.
  • The quantum Werner-state calculation selects the constraint scheme by positivity alone, without needing the more abstract Shore–Johnson axioms used in the classical case.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the constraint-diagnosis is right, the sign split between the two divergences should persist for other mixed states, not just Werner states; evaluating both on random two-qubit states across $q\in(0,1)$ would be a quick numerical check.
  • The no-go result is proved only for the usual escort substitution; a differently deformed relative entropy that realizes the third choice without imposing escort normalization as an independent constraint might evade the obstruction.
  • One could invert the logic and use positivity of a quantum divergence as the selection rule: find, for a given state and $q$, which constraint scheme keeps the divergence positive-definite.
Original abstract

Relative entropy (divergence) of Bregman type recently proposed by T. D. Frank and Jan Naudts is considered and its quantum counterpart is used to calculate purity of the Werner state in nonextensive formalism. It has been observed that two different expressions arise due to two different forms of quantum divergences. It is then argued that the difference is due to the fact that the relative entropy of Bregman type is related to the first choice thermostatistics whereas the one of Csisz\`{a}r type is related to the third choice thermostatistics. The superiority of the third choice thermostatistics to the first choice thermostatistics has been deduced by noticing that the expression obtained by using the Bregman type leads to negative values for q$\in (0,1)$ and fidelity F smaller than 1 whereas the one obtained by using Csisz\`{a}r type is free from such anomalies. Moreover, it has been noted that these two measures show different qualitative behavior with respect to F. Contrary to the classical case, the violation of the positive definiteness of the relative entropy immediately results in a choice between the two constraints without any need of more abstract Shore-Johnson axioms. The possibility of writing a relative entropy of Bregman type compatible with the third choice has been investigated further. The answer turns out to be negative as far as the usual transformation from ordinary probabilities to the escort probabilities are considered.

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Relative entropy (divergence) of Bregman type recently proposed by T. D. Frank and Jan Naudts is considered and its quantum counterpart is used to calculate purity of the Werner state in nonextensive formalism. It has been observed that two different expressions arise due to two different forms of quantum divergences. It is then argued that the difference is due to the fact that the relative entropy of Bregman type is related to the first choice thermostatistics whereas the one of Csisz\`{a}r type is related to the third choice thermostatistics. The superiority of the third choice thermostatistics to the first choice thermostatistics has been deduced by noticing that the expression obtained by using the Bregman type leads to negative values for q$\in (0,1)$ and fidelity F smaller than 1 whereas the one obtained by using Csisz\`{a}r type is free from such anomalies. Moreover, it has been noted that these two measures show different qualitative behavior with respect to F. Contrary to the classical case, the violation of the positive definiteness of the relative entropy immediately results in a choice between the two constraints without any need of more abstract Shore-Johnson axioms. The possibility of writing a relative entropy of Bregman type compatible with the third choice has been investigated further. The answer turns out to be negative as far as the usual transformation from ordinary probabilities to the escort probabilities are considered.

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s1 Frank and Jan Naudts is considered and its quantum counterpart is used to calculate purity of the Werner state in nonextensive formalism. contribution 0.58 0.80 0.06 asserted 1.00
s2 It has been observed that two different expressions arise due to two different forms of quantum divergences. result 1.00 0.82 0.07 asserted 1.00
s3 It is then argued that the difference is due to the fact that the relative entropy of Bregman type is related to the first choice thermostatistics whereas the one of Csisz\`{a}r type is related to the third choice thermostatistics. interpretation 0.99 0.66 0.22 asserted 0.95
s4 The superiority of the third choice thermostatistics to the first choice thermostatistics has been deduced by noticing that the expression obtained by using the Bregman type leads to negative values for q$\in (0,1)$ and fidelity F smaller than 1 whereas the one obtained by using Csisz\`{a}r type is free from such anomalies. result 0.57 0.85 0.62 asserted 1.00
s5 Moreover, it has been noted that these two measures show different qualitative behavior with respect to F. result 0.99 0.83 0.07 asserted 1.00
s6 Contrary to the classical case, the violation of the positive definiteness of the relative entropy immediately results in a choice between the two constraints without any need of more abstract Shore-Johnson axioms. interpretation 0.91 0.65 0.27 asserted 1.00
s7 The possibility of writing a relative entropy of Bregman type compatible with the third choice has been investigated further. contribution 0.82 0.81 0.06 hedged possibility 0.59
s8 The answer turns out to be negative as far as the usual transformation from ordinary probabilities to the escort probabilities are considered. result 0.96 0.86 0.19 asserted 1.00

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