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arxiv: 2511.14056 · v2 · pith:POD4KESHnew · submitted 2025-11-18 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.AI· cs.IT· math.DG· math.IT· stat.ML

Radial Compensation: Fixing Radius Distortion in Chart-Based Generative Models on Riemannian Manifolds

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keywords Riemannian manifoldschart-based generative modelsradial compensationgeodesic radiusvariational autoencoderscontinuous normalizing flowstangent space sampling
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Within isotropic scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts no base distribution preserves geodesic-radial likelihoods, chart-invariant radial Fisher information, and tangent-space isotropy unless it takes the specific Radial Compensation form.

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The paper shows that standard tangent-space sampling followed by a chart map distorts the meaning of radius because the same tangent-space scale maps to different geodesic distances under different charts. It proves that, inside the restricted class of isotropic scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts, the only way to keep the intended one-dimensional law for geodesic radius, keep radial Fisher information invariant to chart choice, and keep the tangent-space base isotropic is to adopt a particular adjustment to the base distribution. This adjustment, called Radial Compensation, lets the user specify the desired geodesic-radius law directly while treating the chart Jacobian purely as a numerical preconditioner. The result is more stable training and curvature estimates that no longer have to absorb hidden distortions from the chart.

Core claim

Within isotropic, scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts, no base distribution can simultaneously preserve geodesic-radial likelihoods, chart-invariant radial Fisher information, and tangent-space isotropy unless it has the specific form the authors call Radial Compensation. RC sets the tangent-space base so that the generative model realizes any user-specified one-dimensional law on the geodesic radius; the chart is thereby freed to act only as a numerical preconditioner. Balanced exponential charts are introduced as one such preconditioner that improves conditioning while leaving the realized manifold density unchanged under RC.

What carries the argument

Radial Compensation: the tangent-space base distribution that is adjusted so the push-forward measure realizes a prescribed one-dimensional law on geodesic radius while preserving isotropy and chart-invariant radial Fisher information.

If this is right

  • Any user-specified one-dimensional law on geodesic radius can be realized exactly by the generative model.
  • Chart choice no longer alters the statistical meaning of the model and can be selected solely for numerical conditioning.
  • Learned curvature estimates become directly interpretable because they are no longer required to compensate for chart-induced radius distortion.
  • Balanced exponential charts improve training stability without changing the manifold density realized under Radial Compensation.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same compensation idea may extend to charts outside the isotropic scalar-Jacobian class once an analogous invariance condition is formulated.
  • In practice this decoupling could let practitioners swap charts mid-training for better numerics while keeping the same radius law and curvature interpretation.
  • The construction supplies a clean test bed for checking whether curvature regularization in manifold VAEs and CNFs is truly capturing geometry or merely correcting for chart artifacts.

Load-bearing premise

The impossibility result and the necessity of the Radial Compensation form are proved only inside the class of isotropic scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts.

What would settle it

A concrete numerical check on the sphere or hyperbolic plane that compares the realized histogram of geodesic radii under a standard isotropic Gaussian base against the histogram obtained under the corresponding Radial Compensation base, for the same chart and the same target one-dimensional radius law.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2511.14056 by Marios Papamichalis, Regina Ruane.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Conceptual RC pipeline: a 1D radial base [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_1.png] view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Exp (raw) vs. RC–Exp for a Gaussian base in the tangent. Top left: samples from a 2-D isotropic Gaussian in the tangent plane TpM. Both constructions start from the same Euclidean base; the labels Exp (raw) and RC–Exp indicate only which chart is used downstream. Top right: pushforward of these samples to the sphere S 2 via the exponential map. The standard wrapped Gaussian obtained with Exp (raw) concentr… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Conceptual comparison of standard wrapped priors, ad-hoc fixes, and Radial Compensation [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Impossibility triangle. Within isotropic scalar–Jacobian models, any chart/base pair can satisfy at [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_4.png] view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Radial Compensation as a pre-warped prior. Left: in the tangent space, RC (orange) multiplies the target radial law ϕ(r) by the chart Jacobian JT (r), pushing mass outward and thickening the tails relative to the naive Euclidean base (blue dashed). Right: on hyperbolic space Hn, the naive Exp (raw) pushforward (orange dashed) is pulled toward the pole, with geodesic mean ≈ 1.47 instead of the intended ≈ 2.… view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: (Synthetic). Geodesic radii R = d(p, q) on S 2 (left) and H2 (right) under {Exp (raw), RC–Exp, RC–bExp0.5, RC–GCL}. The target radial law ϕθ(R) (orange) is shared across charts via RC. RC charts recover ϕθ up to sampling error; Exp (raw) exhibits curvature–induced distortions [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p019_6.png] view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: (Gaussian tangent base). Geodesic radii R = d(p, q) on S 2 (left) and H2 (right) for a 2D Gaussian base in TpM pushed through expp , with and without RC. 5.2 Mixed–Curvature VAEs with learnable curvature Objective. We next ask whether RC and scalar–Jacobian charts make curvature a meaningful, learnable degree of freedom in Mixed–Curvature VAEs, complementing the curvature mis–specification analysis in Theo… view at source ↗
Figure 8
Figure 8. Figure 8: (MNIST, S × H × R latent). Left: test ELBO and KL as a function of epoch for the wrapped–Exp baseline and RC–bExp. RC–bExp achieves a consistently higher ELBO by reducing the KL term at essentially unchanged reconstruction NLL. Right: learned spherical and hyperbolic curvatures KS(t), KH(t) over training. The baseline drifts towards high positive curvature on the sphere and flattens the hyperbolic factor, … view at source ↗
Figure 9
Figure 9. Figure 9: Decoder traversals on a 2D slice of the Euclidean latent block. Each panel shows reconstructions for [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p022_9.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 10. Figure 10: (MNIST, S 16 latent). Posterior geodesic radii R = d(p, q) for Exp (raw) (left) and RC–Exp (right), with the HalfNormal prior ϕθ(R) overlaid [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p023_10.png] view at source ↗
Figure 11
Figure 11. Figure 11: Chart–term variance (left) and mean NFEs (right) vs. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p024_11.png] view at source ↗
Figure 12
Figure 12. Figure 12: High–dimensional latent CNFs on CIFAR–10. Test negative log-likelihood (top row; lower is better) and mean number of function evaluations (bottom row) versus epoch for latent dimensions dz ∈ {32, 64, 128} (columns) and three chart choices: Exp (raw), RC–Exp, and RC–bExp0.5. At dz = 32 all charts train stably with similar NLL and solver cost, with RC–bExp0.5 already reducing total gradient variance. As dim… view at source ↗
Figure 13
Figure 13. Figure 13: (WordNet). Predicted vs. empirical coverage of hyperbolic balls in Hd for {Exp (raw), RC–Exp, RC–bExp0.5, RC–GCL}. 5.6 Protein backbone orientations on S 3 : RC priors for SE(3)–style models Objective. Finally, we test whether RC provides a useful drop–in prior for protein backbone orientations in a setting where the configuration space is naturally curved. We represent local residue frames as unit quater… view at source ↗
read the original abstract

We study the base distribution in chart-based generative models on Riemannian manifolds. Standard methods sample in Euclidean tangent space and then map the sample to the manifold with a chart. This is convenient, but it changes the meaning of distance: the same tangent-space scale can correspond to different geodesic radii, i.e. shortest-path distances from a reference point on the manifold, under different charts, curvatures, and dimensions. Within isotropic, scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts, we show that no base distribution can simultaneously preserve geodesic-radial likelihoods, chart-invariant radial Fisher information, and tangent-space isotropy unless it has a specific form, which we call Radial Compensation (RC). RC chooses the tangent-space base so that the model realizes a user-specified one-dimensional law for the geodesic radius, and leaves the chart available as a numerical preconditioner. This gives more stable training and cleaner curvature estimates, because curvature no longer has to compensate for distortions introduced by the chart. We also introduce balanced exponential charts, which improve conditioning without changing the realized manifold density under RC. This decouples the statistical meaning of the model, the law of the geodesic radius, from its numerical conditioning, which is governed by the chart Jacobian: chart choice becomes a numerical preconditioner rather than a hidden modeling decision. Across manifold variational autoencoders and continuous normalizing flows, RC matches the intended radius behavior, improves numerical stability, and makes learned curvature easier to interpret.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper studies base distributions in chart-based generative models on Riemannian manifolds. Within the class of isotropic, scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts, it derives an impossibility result: no base distribution can simultaneously preserve geodesic-radial likelihoods, chart-invariant radial Fisher information, and tangent-space isotropy unless it takes the specific form called Radial Compensation (RC). RC is constructed so that the tangent-space base realizes a user-specified one-dimensional law for the geodesic radius, leaving the chart as a numerical preconditioner. The authors also introduce balanced exponential charts that improve conditioning without altering the realized manifold density under RC. The approach is evaluated on manifold variational autoencoders and continuous normalizing flows, where RC matches the intended radius behavior, improves numerical stability, and yields more interpretable learned curvature.

Significance. If the derivation holds, the work supplies a principled mechanism for separating the statistical law of geodesic radius from chart-induced numerical effects in Riemannian generative models. This decoupling can improve training stability and make curvature estimates cleaner and more directly interpretable. The balanced exponential charts constitute a practical contribution for preconditioning. The explicit scope restriction to isotropic scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts is stated up front, which strengthens the conditional nature of the impossibility claim.

major comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract and surrounding description: the impossibility result and RC construction are stated at a high level, but the derivation steps that impose the three preservation conditions and obtain the RC form are not supplied. Without these equations it is impossible to verify whether the result is independent of prior literature or reduces by construction to a fitted quantity.
minor comments (1)
  1. A short diagram or table contrasting standard azimuthal charts with balanced exponential charts would clarify the numerical preconditioning benefit.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive feedback on our manuscript. We address the major comment point by point below, indicating the revisions we will incorporate.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and surrounding description: the impossibility result and RC construction are stated at a high level, but the derivation steps that impose the three preservation conditions and obtain the RC form are not supplied. Without these equations it is impossible to verify whether the result is independent of prior literature or reduces by construction to a fitted quantity.

    Authors: We agree that the abstract presents the result at a high level. The full derivation appears in Section 3 of the manuscript, where we start from the three explicit conditions within the stated class of isotropic scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts: (1) preservation of a user-specified geodesic-radial likelihood after the chart map, (2) invariance of the radial Fisher information to chart choice, and (3) isotropy of the tangent-space base. These are imposed sequentially on the radial density, yielding a unique functional form for the tangent-space base that we term Radial Compensation; the angular part is fixed to uniform by isotropy. The derivation is self-contained and begins from the model definition rather than from prior results, so it is not a reduction to a fitted quantity. To improve verifiability, we will expand the abstract with a concise outline of these three steps and the resulting functional equation, and we will add the key intermediate equations to the introduction. revision: yes

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full rationale

The paper presents a conditional mathematical impossibility result: within the explicitly restricted class of isotropic, scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts, no base distribution can simultaneously satisfy geodesic-radial likelihood preservation, chart-invariant radial Fisher information, and tangent-space isotropy except for the specific form labeled Radial Compensation (RC). RC is the derived conclusion of the three preservation conditions rather than an input or fitted quantity presupposed by the derivation. The abstract and skeptic analysis confirm the scope restriction is stated upfront, the result is framed as a first-principles statement, and no load-bearing self-citations, ansatz smuggling, or reductions of predictions to fitted inputs appear. The derivation chain remains independent of its own outputs and is self-contained against the delimited assumptions.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 1 axioms · 2 invented entities

The central claim rests on restricting attention to isotropic scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts and on introducing RC and balanced exponential charts as new objects that satisfy the stated conditions.

free parameters (1)
  • user-specified one-dimensional law for geodesic radius
    RC lets the user choose this law; it is a modeling choice rather than a parameter fitted inside the derivation.
axioms (1)
  • domain assumption Charts under consideration are isotropic with scalar Jacobians
    This restriction is invoked to derive the impossibility result and the necessity of the RC form.
invented entities (2)
  • Radial Compensation (RC) base distribution no independent evidence
    purpose: To realize a user-specified geodesic-radius law while satisfying the three preservation conditions
    New distribution form introduced to resolve the radius-distortion problem inside the chart class.
  • balanced exponential charts no independent evidence
    purpose: To improve numerical conditioning without altering the manifold density under RC
    New chart variant proposed as a pure numerical preconditioner.

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    ECHOES: this paper passage has the same mathematical shape or conceptual pattern as the Recognition theorem, but is not a direct formal dependency.

    Within isotropic bases and scalar-Jacobian azimuthal charts, RC is essentially the only construction that yields geodesic-radial likelihoods with chart- and curvature-invariant Fisher information (Theorem 4, Corollary 1).

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    bExp charts uniquely minimise a strictly convex functional that balances volume distortion against geodesic error (Theorem 7).

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