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arxiv: 1906.08897 · v1 · pith:JSHBYSRWnew · submitted 2019-06-21 · ⚛️ physics.chem-ph · cond-mat.other· cond-mat.stat-mech· physics.comp-ph

Hiding in the crowd: Spectral signatures of overcoordinated hydrogen bond environments

Tobias Morawietz , Andres S. Urbina , Patrick K. Wise , Xiangen Wu , Wanjun Lu , Dor Ben-Amotz , Thomas E. Markland This is my paper

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Overcoordinated hydrogen bonds produce Raman spectral signatures in regions previously linked to non-hydrogen-bonded species and exhibit unique temperature-dependent population turnover.

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Water molecules normally form a certain number of hydrogen bonds with neighbors. In some cases, especially when water is very cold, some molecules end up with extra bonds, creating crowded environments. The study used light-based measurements called Raman spectroscopy on real water samples and fast computer simulations trained with machine learning to model the atomic details. They discovered that certain signals in the spectrum, long thought to come from water molecules with no hydrogen bonds, actually come from these extra-bonded, overcoordinated groups. These groups also change in number with temperature in a way that other groups do not.

Core claim

OH groups appearing in spectral regions usually associated with non-hydrogen-bonded species actually correspond to hydrogen bonds formed in overcoordinated environments, and only these species exhibit a turnover in population as a function of temperature.

Load-bearing premise

The machine learning accelerated quantum simulations correctly identify and assign overcoordinated hydrogen bond environments in both ambient and supercooled regimes (central to the combined experimental-simulation interpretation).

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Molecules with an excess number of hydrogen-bonding partners play a crucial role in fundamental chemical processes, ranging from the anomalous diffusion in supercooled water to the transport of aqueous proton defects and the ordering of water around hydrophobic solutes. Here we show that overcoordinated hydrogen bond environments can be identified in both the ambient and supercooled regimes of liquid water by combining experimental Raman multivariate curve resolution measurements and machine learning accelerated quantum simulations. In particular, we find that OH groups appearing in spectral regions usually associated with non-hydrogen-bonded species actually correspond to hydrogen bonds formed in overcoordinated environments. We further show that only these species exhibit a turnover in population as a function of temperature, which is robust and persists under both constant pressure and density conditions. This work thus provides a new tool to identify, interpret, and elucidate the spectral signatures of crowded hydrogen bond networks.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper claims that overcoordinated hydrogen-bond environments in liquid water can be identified by combining Raman multivariate curve resolution (MCR) experiments with machine-learning accelerated quantum simulations. It asserts that OH groups in spectral regions conventionally assigned to non-hydrogen-bonded species actually arise from hydrogen bonds in overcoordinated environments, and that only these species exhibit a robust population turnover with temperature under both constant-pressure and constant-density conditions.

Significance. If the ML-based assignments are robust, the work would provide a new spectroscopic handle on crowded hydrogen-bond networks and reinterpret temperature-dependent features in water's Raman spectrum, with relevance to supercooled water anomalies and related processes.

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  1. [Machine learning classification and spectral assignment sections] The central claim that certain Raman features arise from overcoordinated rather than free OH groups, and that these alone show temperature turnover, depends on the accuracy of the machine-learning classifier in labeling local environments. No side-by-side validation of the ML labels against standard geometric hydrogen-bond definitions (O–O cutoff plus angle criterion) is reported on the same AIMD or ML-accelerated trajectories. If the two definitions diverge systematically at low temperature, both the spectral reinterpretation and the turnover result become model-dependent.

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We thank the referee for their careful reading of the manuscript and for highlighting an important point regarding validation of the machine-learning classifier. We address the concern below and will strengthen the manuscript accordingly.

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  1. Referee: [Machine learning classification and spectral assignment sections] The central claim that certain Raman features arise from overcoordinated rather than free OH groups, and that these alone show temperature turnover, depends on the accuracy of the machine-learning classifier in labeling local environments. No side-by-side validation of the ML labels against standard geometric hydrogen-bond definitions (O–O cutoff plus angle criterion) is reported on the same AIMD or ML-accelerated trajectories. If the two definitions diverge systematically at low temperature, both the spectral reinterpretation and the turnover result become model-dependent.

    Authors: We agree that an explicit side-by-side comparison of ML-derived labels against standard geometric hydrogen-bond criteria (O–O distance plus angle) on the same trajectories would increase confidence in the assignments. The classifier was trained on geometric labels from AIMD data and cross-validated on held-out AIMD frames, but a direct comparison on the ML-accelerated production trajectories (particularly at low temperature) was not reported. We will add this analysis to the revised manuscript, including a quantitative agreement metric and temperature-dependent population curves under both definitions. This will demonstrate that any divergence is minimal and does not alter the central conclusions regarding spectral reinterpretation or the robust turnover. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; claims rest on independent experimental and simulation data

full rationale

The paper's central claims combine external Raman MCR measurements with ML-accelerated quantum simulations to reinterpret spectral features as arising from overcoordinated H-bond environments. No derivation step reduces by construction to its own inputs, no fitted parameter is relabeled as a prediction, and no load-bearing premise depends on a self-citation chain. The temperature-turnover result is presented as emerging from the combined datasets rather than from any self-definitional mapping or ansatz smuggled via prior author work. The derivation chain is therefore self-contained against the stated external benchmarks.

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Abstract-only; no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities are described. The work relies on standard assumptions of quantum chemistry simulations and Raman spectral interpretation without detailing ad hoc choices.

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