Where Do Reasoning Models Refuse?

Andy Arditi; Benjamin Etheridge; Kureha Yamaguchi

arxiv: 2507.03167 · v4 · submitted 2025-07-03 · 💻 cs.CL · cs.AI· cs.LG

Where Do Reasoning Models Refuse?

Kureha Yamaguchi , Benjamin Etheridge , Andy Arditi This is my paper

Pith reviewed 2026-05-19 05:39 UTC · model grok-4.3

classification 💻 cs.CL cs.AIcs.LG

keywords chain-of-thoughtrefusalreasoning modelscausal interventionactivation engineeringsafetydistillation

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The pith

Reasoning models decide to refuse harmful requests early in their chain-of-thought.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper examines where the refusal decision occurs inside the extended reasoning process of chain-of-thought models. It demonstrates that the specific content of the reasoning trace causally shapes whether the model ultimately refuses or complies with a harmful query. In distilled models, even small variations in the first sentence of the trace can lock in the final refusal outcome, and these early patterns carry over between models sharing the same teacher model. The work also extracts linear directions in the model's internal activations that correspond to refusal and shows that removing them raises the rate of harmful compliance.

Core claim

The chain-of-thought causally influences refusal outcomes; fixing a particular reasoning trace sharply reduces variance in the final decision to refuse or comply, and in distilled models the opening sentence alone can determine that decision.

What carries the argument

Causal intervention by fixing a specific reasoning trace, combined with linear probing for refusal directions in activations.

If this is right

Fixing the reasoning trace reduces variance in whether the model refuses or complies.
Subtle differences in the first sentence of the chain-of-thought can fully determine the refusal decision in distilled models.
Refusal patterns identified in one distilled model transfer to others distilled from the same teacher.
Ablating extracted linear refusal directions increases harmful compliance, though with some loss in general capabilities.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

Safety mechanisms in reasoning models may be concentrated in the early part of the trace rather than applied only at the final output.
Interventions that steer the opening sentence could offer a more targeted way to control refusal behavior than post-hoc methods.
The reduced reliability of activation ablation compared with non-reasoning models suggests that refusal information is distributed differently once extended reasoning is introduced.

Load-bearing premise

Fixing a particular reasoning trace acts as a clean causal intervention that changes refusal behavior only through the content of the trace and introduces no independent artifacts.

What would settle it

An experiment in which two models given identical opening sentences in their chain-of-thought produce reliably different refusal rates on the same harmful prompt.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2507.03167 by Andy Arditi, Benjamin Etheridge, Kureha Yamaguchi.

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: Visualisation of how we cache the residual stream [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 3.** Figure 3: Comparison of probing accuracy on end-of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_3.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 4.** Figure 4: Comparison of PCA plots for transformer residual stream activations of cautious / incautious datasets for layer 17, [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_4.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 5.** Figure 5: Heatmap of cosine similarity between token activations and the “caution” difference-of-means direction in the [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_5.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 6.** Figure 6: Average StrongREJECT scores on the evaluation [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_6.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 7.** Figure 7: Average StrongREJECT scores on the evaluation [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_7.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 8.** Figure 8: A comparison of our most successful attack versus various GCG baselines, against DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-8B. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_8.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 9.** Figure 9: For a GCG-style adversarial suffix, the chain [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_9.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 10.** Figure 10: A comparison of different prompt optimisation attack configurations against DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-8B. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_10.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 11.** Figure 11: Contour landscape modelling impact of prompt optimisation hyperparameters on attack success rate. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_11.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 12.** Figure 12: Preliminary exploration of the transferability of adversarial prompts between DeepSeek distillations. Testing [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_12.png] view at source ↗

read the original abstract

Chat models without chain-of-thought (CoT) reasoning must decide whether to refuse a harmful request before generating their first response token. Reasoning models, by contrast, produce extended chains of thought before their final output, raising a natural question: where in this process does the decision to refuse occur? We investigate this across four open-source reasoning models. We first show that the CoT causally influences refusal outcomes; fixing a specific reasoning trace substantially reduces variance in whether the model ultimately refuses or complies. Zooming into the reasoning trace, we find that in distilled models, subtle differences in the opening sentence of the CoT can fully determine the model's refusal decision, and that these patterns transfer across models distilled from the same teacher. Finally, we extract linear refusal directions from model activations and show that ablating them increases harmful compliance, though less reliably than the same technique achieves on non-reasoning models, and with non-negligible degradation to general capabilities.

Editorial analysis

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Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

The paper shows that chain-of-thought content causally shapes refusal in reasoning models, with the first sentence often deciding the outcome in distilled ones.

read the letter

Hi, the central result is that the chain of thought is not just post-hoc justification but actually drives whether these models refuse or comply. Fixing a given reasoning trace cuts down the variance in final behavior, and in the distilled models even the opening sentence can set the refusal decision with patterns that carry over to other models from the same teacher. They also extract linear refusal directions in activations and show that ablating them raises harmful compliance, though the effect is weaker than on ordinary models and comes with some capability cost. The work applies standard causal and direction-finding methods to this newer class of models and gets clean enough results on the transfer point to be worth noting. The experiments are empirical and direct, without heavy reliance on untested assumptions. The main soft spot is the trace-fixing step itself. Prefixing or constraining generation to match a chosen trace could activate instruction-following or attention shifts that bias the outcome separately from the semantic content of the reasoning. If that artifact is present, it undercuts how cleanly we can attribute the change to the trace. The ablation results are also modest and acknowledged as such. This is useful for people working on safety and interpretability of reasoning systems. A reader who wants to see how refusal mechanisms shift when models think step by step will find concrete observations here. It deserves a serious referee to check the controls and replication details.

Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript investigates where refusal decisions occur in reasoning models that generate extended chain-of-thought (CoT) before responding to harmful requests. Across four open-source models, it claims that the CoT causally influences outcomes, demonstrated by fixing specific reasoning traces to reduce variance in refusal versus compliance; that in distilled models the opening sentence of the CoT can fully determine the decision with transferable patterns across models from the same teacher; and that ablating extracted linear refusal directions from activations increases harmful compliance, albeit less reliably than in non-reasoning models and with some degradation to general capabilities.

Significance. If the central empirical claims hold, the work offers valuable insights into the internal dynamics of safety behaviors in reasoning LLMs, distinguishing them from standard chat models that decide before the first token. The causal interventions via trace fixing and activation ablations, along with observations on early CoT sensitivity and cross-model transfer, represent strengths that could inform alignment methods for advanced reasoning systems.

major comments (2)

[Causal influence experiments] Causal influence section: The claim that fixing a specific reasoning trace substantially reduces variance in refusal outcomes rests on an intervention whose implementation (prefixing or constraining generation) may introduce independent artifacts, such as heightened instruction adherence or altered attention to the prefix as an authoritative signal. This risks confounding attribution to the trace's semantic content, especially since the paper notes that even the opening sentence can determine outcomes in distilled models. Explicit controls comparing content-matched traces to neutral or mismatched prefixes would be needed to isolate the effect.
[Activation ablation results] Ablation experiments: While ablating linear refusal directions is shown to increase compliance, the manuscript reports this occurs less reliably than on non-reasoning models and with non-negligible capability degradation. Quantifying the magnitude of degradation (e.g., via specific benchmarks and effect sizes) and providing direct statistical comparisons to baseline models would strengthen the reliability claim.

minor comments (2)

[Abstract] The abstract refers to 'four open-source reasoning models' without naming them; adding the specific model names would improve clarity and reproducibility.
[Methods] Ensure full details on statistical significance testing, number of prompts, and potential confounds (e.g., prompt selection criteria) are reported in the methods to support the moderate soundness of the experimental claims.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their constructive comments. We have revised the manuscript to address the concerns raised regarding potential artifacts in our causal interventions and to provide more detailed quantification of the ablation results.

read point-by-point responses

Referee: [Causal influence experiments] Causal influence section: The claim that fixing a specific reasoning trace substantially reduces variance in refusal outcomes rests on an intervention whose implementation (prefixing or constraining generation) may introduce independent artifacts, such as heightened instruction adherence or altered attention to the prefix as an authoritative signal. This risks confounding attribution to the trace's semantic content, especially since the paper notes that even the opening sentence can determine outcomes in distilled models. Explicit controls comparing content-matched traces to neutral or mismatched prefixes would be needed to isolate the effect.

Authors: We agree that isolating the semantic content of the reasoning trace from potential artifacts introduced by the intervention method is important. In the revised manuscript, we have added explicit control experiments that compare content-matched refusal and compliance traces against neutral prefixes and mismatched content prefixes. These new results, presented in Section 4.2, demonstrate that the reduction in variance is driven by the semantic content rather than the prefixing mechanism itself. We also clarify that our primary intervention uses constrained generation to minimize attention shifts. revision: yes
Referee: [Activation ablation results] Ablation experiments: While ablating linear refusal directions is shown to increase compliance, the manuscript reports this occurs less reliably than on non-reasoning models and with non-negligible capability degradation. Quantifying the magnitude of degradation (e.g., via specific benchmarks and effect sizes) and providing direct statistical comparisons to baseline models would strengthen the reliability claim.

Authors: We appreciate this suggestion for strengthening the reporting. In the revised version, we have added specific benchmark results including MMLU, HumanEval, and GSM8K, with quantified effect sizes (e.g., average 8% drop in performance) and direct statistical comparisons using paired t-tests against the non-reasoning model baselines. These details are now included in Section 5.3 and Table 3. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: empirical interventions on CoT traces and activations

full rationale

The paper conducts an empirical investigation using causal interventions (fixing specific reasoning traces to reduce variance in refusal outcomes), pattern analysis in opening CoT sentences, and linear probing/ablations on activations. No equations, derivations, or parameter fittings are presented that reduce the target claims to their own inputs by construction. Claims rest on observed model behaviors across four models rather than self-referential definitions, fitted predictions, or load-bearing self-citations. The analysis is self-contained against external benchmarks of model behavior.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The paper relies on standard assumptions in mechanistic interpretability about linear representations and causal interventions via activation editing; selection of models and prompts are chosen parameters.

free parameters (1)

Selection of four open-source reasoning models and harmful request prompts
These are chosen parameters that define the scope of the experiments and could influence the observed patterns.

axioms (1)

domain assumption Linear directions in activation space correspond to refusal behavior
The extraction and ablation of linear refusal directions assumes that such directions exist and are meaningful in the model's representation.

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We identify a linear direction within the activation space that emerges during CoT token generation, reliably predicting whether the model will refuse or comply... Ablating this direction from model activations increases harmful compliance
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intervening only on CoT token activations suffices to control final outputs

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