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Efficient computation of average subsystem Bures distance between fermionic Gaussian states

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Pith's one-line read The paper contends that the average Bures distance between reduced eigenstates grows linearly with subsystem size in an integrable chain, stays non-linear in chaotic Gaussian models, and traces this to local conserved charges.

desk verdict Promising algorithm and useful new numerics, but the conserved-charge ordering convention is load-bearing and needs defense; our copy of the full text was unreadable. read the letter →

arxiv 2508.09417 v2 pith:LLREFH3L submitted 2025-08-13 quant-ph cond-mat.stat-mechhep-th

Zhouhao Guo , M. A. Rajabpour , Jiaju Zhang This is my paper
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keywords BuresdistancefermionicGaussianstatesquantummany-bodychaosintegrabilitytransverse-fieldIsingchainSYKmodelsubsystemlocalconservedcharges
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The reading

Quantum many-body chaos is often diagnosed by how distinguishable the reduced states of nearby eigenstates are, but computations are expensive and, in integrable chains, ambiguous because degenerate eigenstates can be ordered many ways. This paper removes the cost barrier for a class of states: it develops an efficient algorithm for the Bures distance between fermionic Gaussian states, whose full information is contained in their two-point correlation functions. Using that algorithm, the authors compute the average subsystem Bures distance for the transverse-field Ising chain, the Dirac SYK2 model, and random pure fermionic Gaussian states. They report linear growth with subsystem size for the integrable Ising chain, consistent with an earlier conjecture, and no linear growth for the chaotic SYK2 model or random Gaussian states. They attribute the contrast to discontinuities of local conserved charges across the spectrum in integrable models.

What carries the argument

The central object is the Bures distance between fermionic Gaussian states, computed from single-particle covariance matrices rather than full density matrices, which makes large system sizes feasible. The second load-bearing piece is the ordering of degenerate Ising-chain eigenstates by simultaneous eigenvalues of all local conserved charges; this prescription fixes the previously ambiguous averaging over degenerate states. The combination yields the average subsystem Bures distance, whose scaling with subsystem size is the diagnostic.

What would settle it

Within one degenerate energy subspace of the transverse-field Ising chain, apply random unitary rotations among the degenerate eigenstates, recompute the average subsystem Bures distance using this alternative basis, and compare the scaling with subsystem size. Linear growth that survives random rotations would confirm the model-level claim; linear growth that disappears would show the result came from the charge-ordering convention.

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Core claim

On its own terms, the paper establishes a computational route to a previously expensive quantity: the Bures distance, a fidelity-based distance measuring how distinguishable two quantum states are, for fermionic Gaussian states. With that route, the authors compute the average subsystem Bures distance over eigenstates and show a sharp scaling contrast at system sizes beyond previous reach. Simultaneous eigenstates of the local conserved charges in the spin-1/2 transverse-field Ising chain show average subsystem Bures distance growing linearly with subsystem size, while Dirac SYK2 and random pure Gaussian states do not. The paper also argues that the origin of the integrable linear growth is

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise is that ordering degenerate Ising-chain eigenstates by all local conserved charges is a canonical, bias-free prescription; if another legitimate ordering changed the average scaling, the linear-growth conclusion would not be robust.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • Average subsystem Bures distance can serve as a computable, size-scalable indicator: linear growth with subsystem size signals integrability, non-linear growth signals chaos, at least within Gaussian fermionic models.
  • The covariance-matrix Bures algorithm extends numerical access to larger one-dimensional and quadratic-fermion systems than full density-matrix computations allowed.
  • The discontinuity of local conserved charges across the spectrum becomes a structural predictor: models whose conserved charges are smooth across the spectrum should be expected to behave chaotically by this measure.
  • Random pure fermionic Gaussian states reproduce the chaotic side of the contrast, providing a null model for average subsystem distances.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The linear-growth claim is defined relative to the chosen ordering of degenerate eigenstates; a random unitary reordering within each degenerate subspace would test whether the scaling is a property of the model or of the ordering rule.
  • Because the algorithm is restricted to fermionic Gaussian states, extending the diagnostic to strongly interacting, non-Gaussian models would require another method; the mechanism the paper proposes suggests the scaling contrast may persist, but that is not established here.
  • The same covariance-matrix formalism could be used to compute other state-distinguishability measures between fermionic Gaussian states at comparable sizes, which may sharpen the chaotic-versus-integrable contrast.
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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper claims to develop an efficient algorithm for computing the Bures distance between fermionic Gaussian states, enabling larger system sizes. Using this algorithm, the authors compute the average subsystem Bures distance for eigenstates of the transverse-field Ising chain, the Dirac SYK$_2$ model, and random pure fermionic Gaussian states. For the Ising chain, degeneracies are handled by considering simultaneous eigenstates of all local conserved charges and ordering degenerate states by these charges. The authors report that the Ising-chain results are consistent with an earlier conjecture of linear growth of the average subsystem Bures distance with subsystem size, while Dirac SYK$_2$ and random Gaussian states do not show such linear increase. They attribute this distinction to discontinuities of local conserved charges across the spectrum in integrable models.

Significance. If correct, the paper would provide an efficient numerical tool for probing many-body integrability and chaos via the average subsystem Bures distance, extending earlier work on trace distance to a metric that is computationally more demanding but potentially more sensitive. The proposed distinction between integrable and chaotic systems---linear versus nonlinear growth of the average subsystem Bures distance---would be a concrete, falsifiable diagnostic. However, several load-bearing aspects are unverifiable from the submitted manuscript: the algorithm is not actually presented in readable form, the numerical results have no visible error bars or finite-size analysis, and the basis-ordering convention for degenerate Ising eigenstates may itself determine the linear-growth behavior. If the ordering dependence is real, the headline result would be an artifact of a particular convention rather than a robust observable signature.

major comments (3)
  1. [Full text / entire manuscript] The supplied full text is unreadable: it consists of mojibake and includes a header from a different arXiv ID (2508.09416, physics.flu-dyn). No derivations, algorithm pseudocode, numerical tables, or control analyses are accessible. This is a fundamental deficiency: the central claims of the abstract---efficient computation, system sizes, scaling results, and the conserved-charge origin---cannot be checked in any way. The manuscript must be resubmitted with the correct, readable full text before further review.
  2. [Abstract, degeneracy-ordering sentence] The abstract states that degeneracy in the Ising chain is handled by considering simultaneous eigenstates of all local conserved charges and using these charges to order degenerate states. The Bures distance between two states depends on the choice of basis within each degenerate subspace; any unitary rotation within a degenerate subspace yields another valid set of Hamiltonian eigenstates and generally changes the average subsystem Bures distance. The abstract provides no argument that the reported linear growth is independent of this ordering choice. If the scaling depends on the ordering, the purported integrability-vs-chaos distinction is a convention-dependent artifact. This matter is load-bearing and must be addressed explicitly.
  3. [Abstract, final sentence] The claim that 'the distinct scaling ... originates from discontinuities of local conserved charges across the spectrum' is asserted without supporting argument. Moreover, the same conserved charges are used to define the ordering of degenerate states, so the explanatory mechanism and the definition of the computed quantity are not independent. The authors need to show that the discontinuity property is a property of the integrable model itself, not an artifact of the chosen ordering within degenerate subspaces, and that the mechanism can be tested independently of that ordering.
minor comments (3)
  1. [Abstract, first sentence vs. title] The first sentence refers to the 'average subsystem trace distance' as the proposed indicator, while the title and the rest of the abstract concern the Bures distance. The relationship between these two measures and the motivation for switching to Bures distance should be clarified.
  2. [Abstract, model definitions] The acronym SYK$_2$ is used without definition or citation. Since the paper targets a broad quantum-information and many-body physics audience, a brief definition or reference is needed.
  3. [Manuscript preparation] The full text contains a header from a different arXiv submission and is garbled, indicating a failure in manuscript preparation. This must be corrected before any substantive review can continue.

Circularity Check

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No demonstrated circularity: the degenerate-state ordering by conserved charges is entangled with the proposed mechanism, but the central computational results are self-contained.

full rationale

The abstract is the only reliably readable portion; the supplied full text is mojibake and even carries a header from a different arXiv ID (2508.09416, physics.flu-dyn), so citations, derivations, and numerical controls cannot be inspected. Within the readable abstract, I find no step that reduces to its own input by construction. The efficient Bures-distance algorithm for fermionic Gaussian states and the average-distance computations for Dirac SYK2 and random Gaussian states are self-contained: no fitted parameter is renamed as a prediction, and the SYK2/random-state comparisons provide external controls against which the integrable-chain result is contrasted. The appeal to 'the earlier conjecture of a linear growth' is an external benchmark rather than a derivation input. The one structurally self-referential element is the treatment of Ising degeneracy: the average is defined by ordering degenerate eigenstates by the eigenvalues of all local conserved charges, and the same charges' discontinuities are then invoked as the origin of the distinct scaling. This couples the measure's construction to its proposed explanation, and the abstract gives no argument that the scaling is independent of the ordering choice within degenerate subspaces. That is a robustness/basis-dependence concern rather than a demonstrated circle: the linear growth is a computed number, not a consequence of the ordering rule. Because the full text is inaccessible, I cannot check whether a basis-independence argument or an explicit derivation from the charge structure is provided. Under the rule that circularity must be exhibited by specific reduction rather than suspected, this warrants a low score with a caveat, not a circularity finding.

Assumptions & free parameters 1 free parameters · 3 assumptions · 0 invented entities

Abstract-only review: the full text supplied was corrupted and unreadable, so the ledger captures what is visible from the abstract. No new physical entities are postulated. The main added conceptual content is the conserved-charge ordering scheme and the causal account via discontinuities of local conserved charges, and both rest on assumptions that cannot be checked here. The linear-growth coefficient is flagged as a potential fitted parameter.

free parameters (1)
  • Slope of the linear growth of the average subsystem Bures distance with subsystem size, if extracted by numerical fit
    The abstract reports consistency with a linear-growth conjecture; if the growth coefficient is obtained by fitting numerical data it is a fitted parameter carrying the scaling claim. Not assessable from the abstract.
assumptions (3)
  • domain assumption Eigenstates of the models studied (transverse-field Ising chain, Dirac SYK2) are representable as fermionic Gaussian states with known covariance matrices.
    The efficient Bures-distance computation over covariance matrices requires this representation; standard in free-fermion solving of these models, but it restricts the algorithm's domain.
  • domain assumption Average subsystem Bures distance is a valid and faithful indicator of quantum chaos versus integrability, as the trace-distance variant was proposed to be.
    Inherited from the prior program on average subsystem trace distance; if the measure does not track chaos, the interpretation of the scaling difference collapses.
  • domain assumption Ordering degenerate eigenstates by simultaneous eigenvalues of all local conserved charges does not bias the computed average.
    Introduced in this paper to resolve degeneracy in the Ising chain; the linear-growth conclusion depends on this ordering being representative.

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abstract

The average subsystem trace distance has been proposed as an indicator of quantum many-body chaos and integrability. However, evaluating it presents two main difficulties: high computational cost for large systems and ambiguities in defining and ordering eigenstates in integrable systems. In this work, we develop an efficient algorithm to compute the Bures distance between fermionic Gaussian states, enabling access to larger system sizes. Using this method, we calculate the average subsystem Bures distance for eigenstates in the spin-1/2 transverse-field Ising chain and the Dirac fermion formulation of the quadratic Sachdev-Ye-Kitaev (Dirac SYK$_2$) model, as well as for random pure fermionic Gaussian states. To handle degeneracy in the Ising chain, we consider simultaneous eigenstates of all local conserved charges and employ these charges to systematically order degenerate states. Our results are consistent with the earlier conjecture of a linear growth with subsystem size. We show that the distinct scaling of the average subsystem distances in chaotic versus integrable systems originates from discontinuities of local conserved charges across the spectrum in integrable models. For the Dirac SYK$_2$ model and random pure Gaussian states, we obtain similar results for the average subsystem distances, which do not show a linear increase.

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