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arxiv: 2508.15373 · v1 · pith:TN323PN6new · submitted 2025-08-21 · 🌀 gr-qc · hep-th· math-ph· math.MP

Husain-Kuchav{r} model as the Carrollian limit of the Holst term

J. Fernando Barbero G. , Juan Margalef-Bentabol , Aitor Vicente-Cano , Eduardo J.S. Villase\~nor This is my paper

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keywords Husain-Kuchař modelHolst termCarrollian limitcoframesspin connectionsHamiltonian formulationbackground-independent gravity
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The Husain-Kuchař model arises as the Carrollian limit of the Holst term when gravity is formulated with coframes and spin connections.

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The paper shows that taking the Carrollian limit of the Holst term directly produces the Husain-Kuchař model in background-independent theories written with coframes and spin connections. This limit procedure reproduces the target action exactly, without extra constraints or added terms. The authors then trace how the Carrollian symmetry leaves a clear mark in the Hamiltonian formulation of the resulting Husain-Kuchař action. A reader would care because the result places the Husain-Kuchař model inside a larger family of gravitational theories related by different limits.

Core claim

The Husain-Kuchař model can be understood as a Carrollian limit of the Holst term in the context of background-independent field theories described in terms of coframes and spin connections. The footprint of the Carrollian symmetry appears explicitly in the Hamiltonian formulation of the Husain-Kuchař action.

What carries the argument

The Carrollian limit taken on the Holst term expressed in coframe and spin-connection variables, which reproduces the Husain-Kuchař action without further modifications.

If this is right

  • The Hamiltonian analysis of the Husain-Kuchař action carries an explicit imprint of Carrollian symmetry.
  • The Husain-Kuchař model sits inside the space of background-independent theories related by limits of the Holst term.
  • No auxiliary constraints on the fields are required for the limit to hold exactly.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Similar limit procedures could connect other gravitational actions to their Carrollian versions in the same coframe-spin connection language.
  • The result may help classify different degenerate or ultra-relativistic gravitational models by the limits that generate them.

Load-bearing premise

The Carrollian limit can be defined and applied directly to the Holst term in the coframe and spin connection formulation so that it exactly matches the Husain-Kuchař model without extra constraints or changes.

What would settle it

An explicit computation of the Carrollian limit on the Holst action that fails to recover the precise Husain-Kuchař action without additional field constraints or extra terms would disprove the claim.

read the original abstract

We show how the Husain-Kucha\v{r} model can be understood as a Carrollian limit of the Holst term in the context of background-independent field theories described in terms of coframes and spin connections. We also discuss the footprint of the Carrollian symmetry in the Hamiltonian formulation of the Husain-Kucha\v{r} action.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript shows that the Husain-Kuchař model arises as the Carrollian limit of the Holst term in background-independent theories using coframes and spin connections. It defines the limit through explicit rescaling of the coframe time component and adjustment of the spin connection, derives the resulting action, and verifies that the Hamiltonian constraints and their algebra reproduce the Husain-Kuchař model exactly while exhibiting Carrollian symmetry.

Significance. If the central derivation holds, the result supplies a direct limiting procedure connecting the Holst term to the Husain-Kuchař model without auxiliary constraints or field modifications. This is a strength for the field, as the construction is self-contained in standard coframe-spin connection variables, preserves background independence, and makes the Carrollian symmetry manifest in the constraint algebra. Such explicit links between gravitational actions and their ultra-local limits can inform studies of Carrollian gravity and related models in quantum gravity.

minor comments (3)
  1. The abstract would be strengthened by a one-sentence indication of the rescaling used to implement the Carrollian limit (e.g., the factor applied to the time coframe component).
  2. In the Hamiltonian analysis, the notation for the smeared constraints and their Poisson brackets could be made more uniform to emphasize the vanishing of certain structure functions that encode the Carrollian symmetry.
  3. A short comparison table or explicit side-by-side display of the Holst-term constraints before and after the limit would improve readability of the central claim.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their positive summary and for recognizing the significance of obtaining the Husain-Kuchař model directly as the Carrollian limit of the Holst term in coframe-spin connection variables. The referee's assessment correctly identifies the self-contained nature of the construction and its preservation of background independence. No major comments were raised in the report.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity identified

full rationale

The paper derives the Husain-Kuchař model by taking an explicit Carrollian limit of the Holst term through direct rescaling of the coframe time component and corresponding adjustment of the spin connection in the coframe-spin connection formulation. This limit procedure is defined step-by-step from the starting action and produces the target model, its Hamiltonian constraints, and the Carrollian symmetry in the constraint algebra without any fitted parameters, self-referential definitions, or load-bearing self-citations. The derivation remains self-contained within the background-independent variables and does not reduce any claimed result to its own inputs by construction.

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