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A new machine-learning dataset of 7.8 million solid-liquid interface calculations is used to claim that CO dimerization on copper is only weakly affected by surface charge and cation identity, except at very negative charges, and that stepp
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2026-08-04 15:48 UTC pith:4S6SGRCJ
load-bearing objection OC25 is a genuine dataset contribution, but the abstract's dimerization free-energy results are absent from the body—the paper is two different documents stapled together. the 3 major comments →
Insights into CO dimerization at electrified Cu interfaces from large-scale machine learning simulations
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The paper's central claim is that machine-learned potentials trained on the OC25 dataset become practical tools for explicit-solvent electrocatalysis, and that their application to CO dimerization on Cu surfaces shows weak sensitivity to surface charge and cation identity, with appreciable stabilization only at the most negative charge densities, while the stepped Cu(310) surface provides a more favorable pathway at modest reducing potentials.
What carries the argument
The central object is the OC25 dataset: 7,801,261 density-functional-theory energies and forces sampled from off-equilibrium configurations of 88 elements, eight solvents, nine ions, and 98 adsorbates at solid-liquid interfaces. The models trained on it are graph neural network potentials; their predicted energies and forces are accurate to about 0.1 eV and 0.015 eV/Å, and they are used to run explicit-solvent simulations with cells of more than 800 atoms for up to 7 ns. A drift-filtering criterion of 1 eV/Å and a pseudo-solvation-energy metric round out the methodology.
Load-bearing premise
The entire CO dimerization conclusion rests on the unstated assumption that ML potentials trained on roughly 144-atom off-equilibrium configurations, with energy errors around 0.1 eV, remain accurate enough in much larger explicit-solvent cells under electrochemical conditions to resolve the small free-energy differences between facets and charge states; the paper does not validate this transfer.
What would settle it
Reproduce the claimed 7-ns enhanced-sampling simulation on Cu(100) and Cu(310) using the released OC25 checkpoint, and confirm that the reported free-energy ordering survives; then run conventional AIMD on one representative state to check whether the 0.1 eV model error flips the barrier difference. A simpler check: the body of the paper contains none of the dimerization free-energy profiles, so finding their data or scripts would be the first confirmation.
If this is right
- If the models' transferability holds, electrocatalytic transformations at solid-liquid interfaces can be simulated with explicit solvent at timescales orders of magnitude beyond ab initio methods.
- The claimed weak charge and cation sensitivity of CO dimerization implies that cation promotion in CO2 reduction must act on other steps, not the initial C–C coupling.
- The stepped-facet result suggests geometric surface engineering, not just electrolyte tuning, is a way to lower the dimerization barrier.
- The force-drift analysis indicates that moderately loose DFT convergence can be used in training without degrading force accuracy, lowering the cost of future datasets.
- Making OC25 publicly available lets the community benchmark and improve models on solid-liquid interfaces directly.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- A reader checking the paper will notice the body is devoted to dataset construction and benchmark tables; the CO dimerization free-energy profiles reported in the abstract do not appear in the manuscript, so reproducing them from the released models and dataset is the immediate next step.
- If the weak cation dependence holds, the well-known alkali-cation effects on CO2 reduction selectivity would have to operate on later steps, such as protonation or desorption, rather than on the dimerization transition state.
- The dataset's off-equilibrium sampling strategy could be reused to train potentials for other charged interfaces, such as battery electrode/electrolyte systems.
- The claimed step-facet advantage, if robust, connects to experimental observations that roughened or defect-rich copper surfaces often shift product selectivity, making facet-resolved kinetic models a testable extension.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript introduces the Open Catalyst 2025 (OC25) dataset for solid-liquid interfaces, containing over 7.8 million single-point DFT calculations across 1.5 million explicit-solvent environments, and reports baseline machine-learned interatomic potential results. The body of the paper covers dataset construction, DFT settings and force-convergence filtering, train/validation/test splits including out-of-distribution solvent/ion splits, and baseline energy/force errors for eSEN and UMA models. The title and abstract, however, claim a concrete application: CO dimerization on Cu surfaces, with large (>800-atom) explicit-solvent cells, enhanced sampling up to 7 ns, free-energy profiles as functions of surface charge, cation identity, and facet, and specific findings about weak charge/cation sensitivity and more favorable pathways on Cu(310). This application and its results are entirely absent from the manuscript body, which instead concludes in Section 4 that interfacial reactivity predictions 'remain to be tested in future studies.'
Significance. If the OC25 dataset and baseline models are made openly available as described, the dataset could be a valuable community resource for training and benchmarking machine learning potentials at solid-liquid interfaces. The force-convergence analysis (Section 2.2.4, Figure 4) is a useful contribution, and the OOD splits are thoughtfully designed. However, the advertised central scientific result — the CO dimerization study — is not present, so the paper cannot currently support its title or abstract. The significance of the work as submitted is therefore limited to the dataset report, not to the claimed electrocatalytic insights.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract, Sections 2–4] The abstract's central claim — 'We find that dimerization is weakly sensitive to charge and cation identity, with appreciable stabilization only at the most negative charge densities, while extension to stepped Cu(310) reveals a more favorable pathway at modest reducing potentials' — is absent from the manuscript body. Sections 2 and 3 describe dataset construction and baseline model errors only; Section 4 explicitly states that 'these aspects remain to be tested in future studies.' No section, figure, table, or equation reports CO dimerization free-energy profiles, >800-atom simulations, enhanced sampling, surface charge variation, cation identity effects, or Cu(310) facet results. This is not a minor omission; it is the advertised central result.
- [Section 2.1 and 2.2.3 vs. Abstract] The transferability premise for the claimed application is unvalidated. OC25 structures are described as roughly 144-atom systems sampled from short high-temperature (1000 K) AIMD or 5-step relaxations. The abstract claims the models enable 'large cells (>800 atoms)' and 'enhanced sampling up to 7 ns' for CO dimerization, but no evidence is presented that models trained on these small off-equilibrium configurations remain accurate over long MD trajectories, at electrochemical conditions, or for system sizes five or more times larger. Baseline OOD errors in Table 2 are substantially larger than in-distribution errors, and no long-timescale stability or free-energy convergence test is reported.
- [Section 4] The Outlook itself contradicts the abstract. After stating that models 'may still be able to accurately predict interfacial properties and reactivity,' the text says 'these aspects remain to be tested in future studies.' This directly undermines the abstract's presentation of the CO dimerization results as completed findings. The paper should either include the missing study or be reframed and retitled as a dataset paper.
minor comments (4)
- [Abstract] Typo: 'significantly lower than than the recently released' has a duplicated 'than'.
- [Section 2.3.1 and Appendix B.3] Equation (2) in Appendix B.3 repeats Equation (1) verbatim with different notation; the pseudo-solvation energy is defined twice. Consolidate to avoid confusion.
- [Sections 3.2 and 4] The phrase 'surprisingly' / 'to our surprise' is used twice for the same observation about model robustness to label noise; one occurrence should be removed.
- [Figure 4] The text says structures with drift 'greater than 10 eV/Å' have much larger errors, then a threshold of '1 eV/Å' is selected. This is understandable but the relation between the two values should be stated explicitly to avoid apparent inconsistency.
Circularity Check
No circularity in the OC25 dataset evaluation; the advertised CO-dimerization results are absent from the body, which is an unsupported-claim issue rather than a circular derivation.
full rationale
The core dataset and model evaluation are self-contained and non-circular: models are trained on the OC25 training split and evaluated against held-out OOD validation/test splits computed with tighter DFT convergence (EDIFF=10^-6 eV), and the reported energy/force/solvation MAEs are measured benchmark errors, not fitted parameters renamed as predictions. The pseudo-solvation energy definitions (Eqs. 1 and 2) define benchmark labels from DFT snapshots, not derived physical conclusions. Self-citations to OC20, OC22, UMA, and eSEN are background/model baselines and are not used as load-bearing justification for the paper's own findings. The abstract's central claim—'Using large cells (>800 atoms) and enhanced sampling up to 7 ns ... we compute free-energy profiles under varied surface charge, cation identity, and surface facet. We find that dimerization is weakly sensitive to charge and cation identity'—has no corresponding section, figure, or table in the manuscript body. Section 4 explicitly states the opposite: 'Although the models in this work may still be able to accurately predict interfacial properties and reactivity, these aspects remain to be tested in future studies.' This is a serious abstract/body mismatch and an unsupported claim, but it is not a circular step: the missing CO-dimerization result is not an input to the dataset evaluation, and no equation or self-citation reduces the claimed finding to its own inputs. Accordingly, the circularity score is 0; the mismatch should be treated as a correctness/verifiability problem rather than as circular reasoning.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (2)
- Force drift filter threshold =
1 eV/Å
- Electronic convergence threshold for training data (EDIFF) =
1e-4 eV
axioms (4)
- domain assumption RPBE-D3 DFT is an adequate ground truth for interfacial energies and forces at solid-liquid interfaces.
- domain assumption Spin-unpolarized calculations are adequate for the sampled surfaces and adsorbates.
- domain assumption MLIPs trained on OC25 generalize to unseen bulk-solvent combinations and to larger, longer, near-equilibrium simulations.
- domain assumption Force drift filtering by total drift < 1 eV/Å yields cleaner training labels.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Insights into CO dimerization at electrified Cu interfaces from large-scale machine learning simulations." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/4S6SGRCJ
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read the original abstract
Catalysis at solid-liquid interfaces underpins many energy technologies, yet ab initio simulations that capture interfacial dynamics remain prohibitively expensive. Here we introduce Open Catalyst 2025 (OC25), the largest dataset for solid-liquid interfaces. To demonstrate OC25-trained models as practical tools for electrocatalysis, we investigate CO dimerization on Cu surfaces, a key step in CO$_2$ electroreduction. Using large cells (>800 atoms) and enhanced sampling up to 7 ns - the largest explicit-solvent CO dimerization study to date - we compute free-energy profiles under varied surface charge, cation identity, and surface facet. We find that dimerization is weakly sensitive to charge and cation identity, with appreciable stabilization only at the most negative charge densities, while extension to stepped Cu(310) reveals a more favorable pathway at modest reducing potentials. Our results demonstrate that OC25-trained models provide a scalable tool for investigating electrocatalytic transformations at solid-liquid interfaces, enabling simulations orders of magnitude beyond ab initio methods.
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