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arxiv: 2511.11333 · v2 · submitted 2025-11-14 · ❄️ cond-mat.stat-mech · quant-ph

Scaling of free cumulants in closed system-bath setups

Merlin F\"ullgraf , Jochen Gemmer , Jiaozi Wang This is my paper

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classification ❄️ cond-mat.stat-mech quant-ph
keywords free cumulantsEigenstate Thermalization Hypothesissystem-bath couplingquantum thermalizationmicrocanonical ensemblerandom matrix bathIsing chain
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Free cumulants of central-system observables scale universally with interaction strength in system-bath models.

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The paper extends the full Eigenstate Thermalization Hypothesis from closed systems to closed system-bath setups. It reports that microcanonical free cumulants tied to observables of the central Hamiltonian follow a universal scaling law in the interaction strength. This scaling is observed in both an idealized random-matrix bath and a defect Ising chain bath, and it is tied to the time evolution of the corresponding thermal free cumulants. A sympathetic reader would care because the result points to a simple, interaction-dependent pattern that governs how small quantum systems exchange energy with larger environments.

Core claim

In closed system-bath setups the microcanonical free cumulants of observables associated with the central system Hamiltonian exhibit a universal scaling with respect to the interaction strength. The scaling is the same for an idealized random-matrix bath and for a defect Ising chain bath. The scaling behavior is further connected to the thermalization dynamics of the thermal free cumulants of the same observables.

What carries the argument

Full ETH framework with smooth multi-point correlation functions for matrix elements; it supplies the definition of free cumulants and permits their scaling analysis once a finite bath is coupled to the system.

If this is right

  • The scaling supplies a compact characterization of thermalization that depends only on interaction strength rather than on the detailed spectrum of the combined system.
  • The same scaling relation appears in both random-matrix and structured Ising baths, indicating model-independent behavior.
  • Microcanonical free-cumulant scaling directly predicts the time scale on which thermal free cumulants relax to their equilibrium values.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the scaling is confirmed in additional bath models it would suggest a general route to predicting thermalization rates from static correlation data alone.
  • The observed connection between microcanonical and thermal cumulants might be tested in experiments on small quantum simulators coupled to engineered environments.
  • The scaling law could be used to benchmark numerical methods that simulate open-system dynamics without requiring full diagonalization of the combined Hilbert space.

Load-bearing premise

The full ETH with smooth multi-point correlation functions remains valid when a finite bath is coupled to the system, and the two chosen bath models are representative of generic baths.

What would settle it

Compute the microcanonical free cumulants of a central-system observable at several values of the interaction strength in either bath model and test whether they collapse onto a single universal curve when plotted against the scaled interaction strength.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2511.11333 by Jiaozi Wang, Jochen Gemmer, Merlin F\"ullgraf.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Top: Scaling of the microcanonical free cumulants ∆n (with n even) for the random-matrix model with interaction strength λ = 0.15 for different system sizes. Bottom: Scaling of the free cumulants ∆n in the random-matrix model with size L = 14 for different interaction strengths λ = 0.05, . . . , 0.25. Here the dashed black line indicates ∆EU as a guide to the eye. Note that L is related to the Hilbert spac… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Free cumulants κn (t) for n = 2, 4, 6 in the random-matrix model with L = 14 and different interaction strengths λ. 3.2 A chaotic Ising bath Further we investigate a quantum spin chain of similar structure. Its Hamiltonian is given by H = σ S x + λσS z ⊗ HI + HB , (32) HI = 1 p L − 1 X L−1 n=1 (−1) nσ n z , (33) HB = J X l σ l zσ l+1 z + hxσ l x + h2σ 2 z + h5σ 5 z . (34) Due to the precise form of the cou… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Top: System-size scaling of the microcanonical free cumulants ∆n in the chaotic Ising bath model with interaction strength λ = 0.3. Bottom: Scaling the microcanonical free cumulants ∆n in the chaotic Ising-bath model with system-size L = 23 and different system-bath couplings λ. Here the dashed black line indicates ∆EU as a guidance to the eye [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Thermal free cumulants κn (t), where n = 2, 4, 6, in the model with an Ising bath and total size L = 23 and different coupling strengths λ. 4 Conclusion and Discussion In this work, we extended the framework of the full Eigenstate Thermalization Hypothesis (ETH) to open quantum systems, focusing on a central system coupled to a quantum chaotic bath. Through numerical analysis of free cumulants, we identifi… view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Autocorrelation function of the observable [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_5.png] view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: The first three even microcanonical free cumulants [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p015_6.png] view at source ↗
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The Eigenstate Thermalization Hypothesis (ETH) has been established as a cornerstone for understanding thermalization in quantum many-body systems. Recently, there has been growing interest in the full ETH, which extends the framework of the conventional ETH and postulates a smooth function to describe the multi-point correlations among matrix elements. Within this framework, free cumulants play a central role, and most previous studies have primarily focused on closed systems. In this paper, we extend the analysis to a system-bath setup, considering both an idealized case with a random-matrix bath and a more realistic scenario where the bath is modeled as a defect Ising chain. In both cases, we uncover a universal scaling of the microcanonical free cumulants of observables associated with the central system Hamiltonian with respect to the interaction strength. Furthermore we establish a connection between this scaling behavior and the thermalization dynamics of the thermal free cumulants of corresponding observables.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript extends the full Eigenstate Thermalization Hypothesis (ETH) to closed system-bath setups. Using a central system coupled to either a random-matrix bath or a defect Ising chain, the authors extract microcanonical free cumulants of system observables and report a universal scaling with interaction strength λ. They further connect this scaling to the thermalization dynamics of the corresponding thermal free cumulants.

Significance. If the central scaling result holds, the work offers a concrete bridge between full ETH in closed systems and thermalization in finite system-bath models, with the use of two qualitatively different baths strengthening the universality claim. The explicit link between static cumulant scaling and dynamical thermalization is a positive feature that could be tested in future work.

major comments (2)
  1. [§3] §3 (ETH framework for system-bath): The derivation of the λ-scaling of microcanonical free cumulants rests on the assumption that the full ETH ansatz—smooth functions for all multi-point matrix-element correlations—remains valid for the total Hamiltonian of the finite system plus finite bath at all scanned λ. No explicit diagnostic (e.g., plots of higher-order correlation functions versus energy difference for several λ values) is provided to confirm that smoothness persists as λ increases and system-bath mixing strengthens. This assumption is load-bearing for the claimed universality.
  2. [§5] §5 (thermalization connection): The reported link between the microcanonical scaling and the dynamics of thermal free cumulants uses the same ETH smoothness functions to define both quantities. It is unclear whether the thermal cumulants are obtained from an independent long-time average or from the same microcanonical data set; any overlap would make the dynamical claim partially self-referential and weaken the evidence that the scaling governs thermalization.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Introduction] The notation for free cumulants of different orders is introduced without a compact summary table; adding one would improve readability when comparing scaling exponents across orders.
  2. [Figure 3] Figure captions for the scaling plots do not state the fitting range in λ or the number of disorder realizations; this information should be added for reproducibility.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful reading of our manuscript and the positive assessment of its potential to bridge full ETH and thermalization in system-bath models. We address each major comment below with clarifications and revisions where appropriate.

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  1. Referee: [§3] §3 (ETH framework for system-bath): The derivation of the λ-scaling of microcanonical free cumulants rests on the assumption that the full ETH ansatz—smooth functions for all multi-point matrix-element correlations—remains valid for the total Hamiltonian of the finite system plus finite bath at all scanned λ. No explicit diagnostic (e.g., plots of higher-order correlation functions versus energy difference for several λ values) is provided to confirm that smoothness persists as λ increases and system-bath mixing strengthens. This assumption is load-bearing for the claimed universality.

    Authors: We agree that explicit verification of ETH smoothness across λ would strengthen the presentation. In the revised manuscript we add supplementary figures that plot the relevant higher-order matrix-element correlation functions versus energy difference for both bath models at several representative values of λ (including the largest λ scanned). These diagnostics confirm that the smoothness assumption continues to hold as system-bath mixing increases, thereby supporting the load-bearing step in the derivation. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [§5] §5 (thermalization connection): The reported link between the microcanonical scaling and the dynamics of thermal free cumulants uses the same ETH smoothness functions to define both quantities. It is unclear whether the thermal cumulants are obtained from an independent long-time average or from the same microcanonical data set; any overlap would make the dynamical claim partially self-referential and weaken the evidence that the scaling governs thermalization.

    Authors: The thermal free cumulants are computed from independent long-time dynamical evolution: we prepare microcanonical initial states, evolve them under the full system-bath Hamiltonian, and extract the cumulants from the long-time averages of the time-dependent observables. This procedure is separate from the static extraction of microcanonical cumulants via the ETH ansatz. We have revised the text in §5 to state this separation explicitly, including the precise time-averaging window and ensemble, so that the connection between scaling and thermalization dynamics is not self-referential. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; derivation applies external ETH framework to new setup

full rationale

The paper applies the full ETH (smooth multi-point matrix-element functions) as an input assumption to finite system-bath Hamiltonians, then reports an observed scaling of microcanonical free cumulants with coupling strength λ. This scaling is extracted from explicit numerical diagonalization on two concrete bath models rather than being imposed by definition or by fitting the same quantities that are later called predictions. The link to thermalization dynamics of thermal free cumulants is presented as a separate empirical observation, not as a self-referential redefinition. No load-bearing uniqueness theorem or ansatz is imported via self-citation; the central claim remains independent of the authors' prior work. The result is therefore self-contained against external benchmarks and receives the default non-circularity finding.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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The work assumes the full ETH ansatz for multi-point matrix-element correlations and treats the bath as either fully random or a specific spin-chain model; no new entities are postulated.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption Eigenstate Thermalization Hypothesis holds with smooth multi-point correlation functions
    Invoked as the established cornerstone for thermalization and free-cumulant analysis

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    " write newline "" before.all 'output.state := FUNCTION n.dashify 't := "" t empty not t #1 #1 substring "-" = t #1 #2 substring "--" = not "--" * t #2 global.max substring 't := t #1 #1 substring "-" = "-" * t #2 global.max substring 't := while if t #1 #1 substring * t #2 global.max substring 't := if while FUNCTION word.in bbl.in capitalize " " * FUNCT...

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