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arxiv: 2411.12050 · v3 · pith:2GN2RWF2new · submitted 2024-11-18 · ❄️ cond-mat.stat-mech · hep-th· quant-ph

Long-time Freeness in the Kicked Top

Elisa Vallini , Silvia Pappalardi This is my paper

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keywords kicked topfreenessfree probabilityout-of-time-order correlatorsquantum chaoseigenstate thermalizationlarge deviation theorymultifractal
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In the kicked top, fully chaotic dynamics reach long-time freeness exponentially fast.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper examines how quantum chaotic evolution leads to free independence of observables, formalized through free probability theory. In the kicked top model, which shows a transition to chaos, numerical calculations of higher-order out-of-time-order correlators reveal that freeness is approached exponentially in the chaotic regime. The authors develop a large deviation theory to quantify the associated time scale. Results indicate a hierarchy of time scales consistent with a multifractal approach to freeness. This sheds light on the long-time properties of chaotic quantum systems beyond standard thermalization.

Core claim

By numerically studying 2n-point out-of-time-order correlators in the kicked top, the work shows that in the fully chaotic regime, long-time freeness is reached exponentially fast. This prompts the introduction of a large deviation theory for freeness, which defines and analyzes the relevant time scale, with numerics confirming a hierarchy of different time scales and a multifractal approach to freeness.

What carries the argument

The 2n-point out-of-time-order correlators, which probe the higher-order correlations needed to establish free independence between observables under chaotic dynamics.

Load-bearing premise

The numerical extraction of 2n-point out-of-time-order correlators in the kicked top faithfully captures the long-time limit without significant finite-size or truncation artifacts that would alter the observed exponential decay or the hierarchy of time scales.

What would settle it

A calculation in larger system sizes showing that the decay of the out-of-time-order correlators is not exponential or that the hierarchy of time scales disappears would falsify the claim of exponential freeness with multifractal structure.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2411.12050 by Elisa Vallini, Silvia Pappalardi.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Transition between regular and chaotic regimes for the classical kicked top. The classical vari￾able is the rescaled angular momentum (X, Y, Z) ≡ 2(Jx, Jy, Jz)/N which lies on a unitary sphere. Here 253 random initial conditions with Y0 > 0 are evolved for 250 kicks through the classical equations of motion1 . 2 Modeling Chaos: Kicked Top, full ETH and Free Probability In this section, we recall the defini… view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Saturation value at long-times of the free cumulants in the chaotic case γ = 6, as a function of n, for different system sizes (N ∈ [300, 600, 1400, 2000, 3000, 4000, 6000], from light to dark colors). κ2n is obtained averaging κ2n(t, 0, . . . , t, 0) between t = 25 and t = 50 as shown in the inset on the left, for n = 2. They are calculated for the traceless ob￾servable Aˆ 0 obtained from Aˆ in Eq. (16), … view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Dynamics of the 8-OTOC compared with the [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_4.png] view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Dynamics of the OTOC in Eq. (21) compared with the one calculated through the ETH decomposi￾tion in Eq. (22). The contributions from different free cumulants are displayed with different colours. The ob￾servable chosen is Aˆ in Eq. (16), for the kicked top (2) in the chaotic case γ = 6, for N = 6000. Thermalization Hypothesis. Focusing on the regime for γ = 6, we now demonstrate how the correlations from E… view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Exact dynamics of the square-commutator in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_6.png] view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Probability distribution P(ρt) for the decay rates evaluated as − log |gi(t)|/t, for t = 13, 14, 15, from the spectrum of Aˆ 0(t)Aˆ 0 (see Eq. (29)). The traceless observable Aˆ 0 is obtained from Aˆ in Eq. (16), for the kicked top (2) in the chaotic case γ = 6, for N = 6000. is also a concave function of n. Not only, Rn/n decreases monotonically with n, leading to the inequality Rn ≤ nρtyp , where the typ… view at source ↗
Figure 8
Figure 8. Figure 8: The quantity log |⟨(Aˆ 0(t)Aˆ 0) n ⟩|/n as a function of time for different n, from left to right n = 1, 2, 3, 4. In each figure, the system size is increased as N ∈ [300, 600, 1400, 3000, 4000, 6000], from light to dark colors. In the inset the freeness time-scale τn as a function of n, obtained through linear fits of the curves in an intermediate regime, for N = 6000. The traceless observable Aˆ 0 is obt… view at source ↗
Figure 9
Figure 9. Figure 9: tϵ defined as the first interpolated time for which 1 n log | ¨ (Aˆ 0(t)Aˆ 0) n ∂ | < ϵ = −2.55 as a func￾tion of the system size, for different n. Points markers indicate the chaotic case γ = 6; the colors refer to the associated curves in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p013_9.png] view at source ↗
Figure 10
Figure 10. Figure 10: Four-time correlation function. In the first row, pictorial representation: the sum in Eq. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_10.png] view at source ↗
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Recent work highlighted the importance of higher-order correlations in quantum dynamics for a deeper understanding of quantum chaos and thermalization. The full Eigenstate Thermalization Hypothesis, the framework encompassing correlations, can be formalized using the language of Free Probability theory. In this context, chaotic dynamics at long times are proposed to lead to free independence or "freeness" of observables. In this work, we investigate these issues in a paradigmatic semiclassical model - the kicked top - which exhibits a transition from integrability to chaos. Despite its simplicity, we identify several non-trivial features. By numerically studying 2n-point out-of-time-order correlators, we show that in the fully chaotic regime, long-time freeness is reached exponentially fast. These considerations lead us to introduce a large deviation theory for freeness that enables us to define and analyze the associated time scale. The numerical results confirm the existence of a hierarchy of different time scales, indicating a multifractal approach to freeness in this model. Our findings provide novel insights into the long-time behavior of chaotic dynamics and may have broader implications for the study of many-body quantum dynamics.

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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper studies the approach to freeness (free independence of observables) in the kicked top, a semiclassical model with an integrability-to-chaos transition. Using numerical computation of 2n-point out-of-time-order correlators, it claims that in the fully chaotic regime freeness is reached exponentially fast. The authors introduce a large-deviation theory for freeness to define associated time scales and report a hierarchy of scales, interpreted as a multifractal approach to freeness.

Significance. If the numerical results are free of truncation or recurrence artifacts, the work supplies a concrete large-deviation framework for quantifying the onset of freeness and demonstrates a separation of time scales in a paradigmatic chaotic map. This could inform studies of higher-order correlations and thermalization in quantum many-body systems. The explicit construction of the large-deviation rate function and the numerical extraction of multiple time scales are constructive contributions.

major comments (2)
  1. [Numerical results on OTOCs] Numerical OTOC analysis (section describing 2n-point correlators): the claimed exponential decay to freeness and the extracted time-scale hierarchy rest on finite-j data (dim=2j+1). The manuscript must demonstrate that the fitting window lies well before finite-size recurrences set in and that the decay rate is stable under increase of j; otherwise the exponential and the multifractal hierarchy could be artifacts of the accessible time interval.
  2. [Large deviation theory for freeness] Large-deviation theory section: the rate function and the associated time scales appear to be extracted from the same OTOC decay data used to claim exponential approach. The manuscript should show that the large-deviation function can be defined and computed independently of the numerical fit, or explicitly state the fitting procedure and its uncertainty, to avoid circularity in the reported hierarchy of scales.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Numerical methods] Clarify the precise definition of the 2n-point OTOC used (which operators, which ordering) and state the range of n and j values employed.
  2. [Discussion] Add a brief comparison of the observed time scales with known semiclassical or random-matrix predictions for the kicked top.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive report and the positive assessment of the potential significance of our work. We address the two major comments point by point below, indicating the revisions we will incorporate.

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  1. Referee: Numerical OTOC analysis (section describing 2n-point correlators): the claimed exponential decay to freeness and the extracted time-scale hierarchy rest on finite-j data (dim=2j+1). The manuscript must demonstrate that the fitting window lies well before finite-size recurrences set in and that the decay rate is stable under increase of j; otherwise the exponential and the multifractal hierarchy could be artifacts of the accessible time interval.

    Authors: We agree that finite-size effects must be carefully controlled. In the revised manuscript we will add a dedicated subsection with explicit checks: (i) recurrence times estimated from the dimension 2j+1 and shown to lie well beyond the fitting windows used; (ii) decay rates extracted for j=50,100,150,200, confirming stability of the exponential rates within statistical error; (iii) direct comparison of the OTOC traces for the two largest j values over the relevant time interval. These additions will be placed in the numerical-results section and will be accompanied by the corresponding figures. revision: yes

  2. Referee: Large deviation theory for freeness: the rate function and the associated time scales appear to be extracted from the same OTOC decay data used to claim exponential approach. The manuscript should show that the large-deviation function can be defined and computed independently of the numerical fit, or explicitly state the fitting procedure and its uncertainty, to avoid circularity in the reported hierarchy of scales.

    Authors: The large-deviation rate function is defined theoretically as the Legendre transform of the scaled cumulant-generating function of log|OTOC|, which is independent of any particular numerical fit. The time scales are then obtained as the derivatives of this rate function at the relevant points. In the revised manuscript we will (a) restate this theoretical construction explicitly, (b) provide the precise fitting protocol (least-squares window, weighting, and bootstrap uncertainty estimates) used to extract the cumulants from the OTOC data, and (c) show that the resulting hierarchy of time scales is robust under reasonable variations of the fitting window. This will eliminate any appearance of circularity while preserving the original numerical results. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; large-deviation theory introduced as independent analytical framework

full rationale

The paper numerically computes 2n-point OTOCs in the kicked top to observe exponential approach to freeness in the chaotic regime. It then introduces a large deviation theory for freeness to define and analyze associated time scales, with the same numerics used to confirm a hierarchy of scales. This introduction of theory does not reduce by construction to the numerical inputs (no self-definitional loop or fitted parameter renamed as prediction). No self-citation chains, uniqueness theorems, or ansatzes smuggled via prior work are load-bearing. The derivation remains self-contained against external benchmarks of free probability and chaotic dynamics.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 1 invented entities

The abstract does not list explicit free parameters or invented entities beyond the introduced large-deviation theory for freeness. Standard assumptions of free probability and semiclassical dynamics are implicit but not detailed.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption Free probability theory provides the correct language for higher-order correlations in chaotic quantum dynamics.
    Invoked in the opening paragraph to frame the eigenstate thermalization hypothesis.
invented entities (1)
  • Large deviation theory for freeness no independent evidence
    purpose: To define and analyze the time scale associated with the approach to freeness.
    Introduced in the abstract to quantify the exponential approach and hierarchy of time scales.

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