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Page Curve for Local-Operator Entanglement from Free Probability

Neil Dowling , Silvia Pappalardi

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keywords local-operator entanglementPage curvefree probabilityHaar random dynamicsmany-body chaoseigenstate thermalization hypothesisoperator growth

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The pith

Haar-random quantum dynamics produce the Page curve for local-operator entanglement of traceless operators.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper computes the local-operator entanglement entropies exactly for Haar-random unitary dynamics using free probability techniques. For traceless operators these entropies approach the Page curve value expected for random states, differing only by exponentially small corrections. This leading behavior turns out to be independent of the specific initial operator, relying only on its autocorrelation functions. The result suggests that describing long-time LOE in chaotic many-body systems does not require the full higher-order structure of the eigenstate thermalization hypothesis.

Core claim

Using free probability, the authors derive closed-form expressions for the Rényi local-operator entropies under Haar-random evolution. They show that for operators with zero trace, the LOE asymptotically matches the Page curve of a random pure state in the thermodynamic limit, with corrections that decay exponentially in time or system size. Unlike out-of-time-order correlators, this leading-order result does not depend on higher moments or free cumulants of the operator.

What carries the argument

Free probability applied to the moment-generating function of the reduced density matrix of the Heisenberg-evolved operator under the Haar measure, producing exact Rényi entropies for all indices.

If this is right

Long-time LOE entropies in chaotic systems saturate to a value fixed solely by the initial operator's autocorrelation function.
Higher-order operator correlations and free cumulants do not enter the leading LOE behavior, unlike in out-of-time-order correlators.
The Page curve for LOE can be used as a diagnostic of many-body chaos without invoking the complete eigenstate thermalization hypothesis.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

Analytical or numerical studies of operator growth in chaotic systems could be simplified by tracking only two-point autocorrelation functions.
The same independence may appear in other operator entanglement measures or in holographic models of chaos.
The exponential corrections could be measured in small-system numerics to test how quickly the Haar limit is approached.

Load-bearing premise

The exact Haar-random result can be used to infer the long-time behavior of local-operator entanglement in generic chaotic locally-interacting systems, with only autocorrelation functions mattering up to exponentially small corrections.

What would settle it

Numerical computation of long-time local-operator entanglement for a traceless operator in a chaotic spin chain or random circuit, checking whether the saturation value matches the autocorrelation-function prediction within exponentially small deviations.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.02995 by Neil Dowling, Silvia Pappalardi.

**Figure 1.** Figure 1: The LOE Page Curve for N = 8 qubits as a function of subsystem size NA [blue, circles], alongside the maximum possible entropy [red, dotted]. At the half-chain bipartition, the correction to maximum is given by the state Page correction of 1/2 plus an exponentially small (in N) value dependent on the fourth free-cumulant of O, κ4(O). Inset: the difference between the (annealed) average 2-Rényi entangleme… view at source ↗

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: The non-crossing partition lattice for k = 4. Each node corresponds to a permutation, written below in standard cyclic notation, while diagrammatically the isomorphic partition is displayed. We can identify the non-crossing partition subset of permutations corresponding to diagrams that do not cross; cf. the crossing partition depicted in the top right. Each line identifies unit distance according to the… view at source ↗

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The local-operator entanglement (LOE) measures the classical simulability of a Heisenberg operator and is conjectured to witness many-body chaos in locally interacting systems. Using tools from free probability, we analytically compute its value for Haar random dynamics for all R\'enyi indices. We find that it asymptotically reproduces the Page curve for random states in the case of traceless operators, with exponentially deviating corrections. In contrast to higher-order out-of-time ordered correlators, which depend on operator correlations via free cumulants, the leading-order LOE is independent of the initial operator. Guided by our Haar result, we therefore argue that the long-time value of the LOE entropies in chaotic systems will depend only on autocorrelation functions of the initial operator up to exponentially small corrections, suggesting that the higher-order structure of the full Eigenstate Thermalization Hypothesis is not necessary to describe it.

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Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

Clean exact LOE calculation for Haar unitaries via free probability, but the jump to generic chaotic systems lacks a controlling argument.

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The main thing to know is that this paper delivers an exact analytical result for local-operator entanglement under Haar-random dynamics, computed with free probability for every Rényi index. For traceless operators it tracks the Page curve at late times with only exponentially small deviations, and the leading term turns out independent of the initial operator. That independence is the contrast they draw with higher-order OTOCs, which do pick up free cumulants. The Haar calculation itself looks like a solid, self-contained piece of work that wasn't already in the literature they cite. They apply the free-probability machinery directly to the operator entanglement entropy and get closed expressions, which is useful as a benchmark. The math and the citation choices for the random case appear straightforward and reproducible. The softer spot is the move from Haar to physical chaotic systems. They argue that in locally interacting chaotic dynamics the long-time LOE will still depend only on autocorrelation functions up to exponentially small corrections, so the full higher-order ETH structure is unnecessary. This is presented as guided by the exact Haar result rather than derived from a perturbative expansion or bound on the surviving cumulants. Without an explicit control showing why higher-order correlations stay negligible rather than polynomially small or system-size dependent, that step remains an extrapolation. The stress-test note on this point holds up on the abstract and the described claims. This is for people working on operator entanglement, simulability, and many-body chaos who want an analytical random-unitary reference point. It is worth sending to peer review because the core computation is formally grounded and raises a clear question about minimal assumptions for LOE thermalization, even if the physical extension will need more justification in revision.

Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript analytically computes the Rényi entropies of local-operator entanglement (LOE) for Haar-random unitaries using free probability for all Rényi indices. For traceless operators it shows that the LOE asymptotically reproduces the Page curve with exponentially small corrections and that the leading-order term is independent of the initial operator. Guided by this exact result, the authors argue that the long-time LOE in generic chaotic locally interacting systems depends only on the autocorrelation functions of the initial operator up to exponentially small corrections.

Significance. The exact, parameter-free computation of LOE Rényi entropies under Haar averaging via free probability is a clear technical strength and supplies a useful analytical benchmark. The reported independence from higher free cumulants at leading order distinguishes LOE from OTOCs and, if the extrapolation holds, would imply that LOE can be described without invoking the full eigenstate thermalization hypothesis, thereby simplifying the analysis of operator growth and classical simulability in many-body systems.

major comments (1)

[§4] §4 (implications for chaotic dynamics): the claim that 'the long-time value of the LOE entropies in chaotic systems will depend only on autocorrelation functions of the initial operator up to exponentially small corrections' is not supported by an explicit bound, perturbative control, or ETH-style argument showing that higher free cumulants remain exponentially suppressed rather than polynomially small or system-size dependent under local evolution; the step is presented as an extrapolation from the Haar result rather than a derivation.

minor comments (1)

[Abstract] The abstract states that the leading-order LOE is 'independent of the initial operator' for traceless cases, but the precise statement of this independence (including any residual dependence through the autocorrelation function) should be repeated explicitly in the main text for clarity.

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We thank the referee for their careful reading of the manuscript and for recognizing the technical value of the free-probability calculation. We address the major comment below and will revise the manuscript accordingly.

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Referee: §4 (implications for chaotic dynamics): the claim that 'the long-time value of the LOE entropies in chaotic systems will depend only on autocorrelation functions of the initial operator up to exponentially small corrections' is not supported by an explicit bound, perturbative control, or ETH-style argument showing that higher free cumulants remain exponentially suppressed rather than polynomially small or system-size dependent under local evolution; the step is presented as an extrapolation from the Haar result rather than a derivation.

Authors: We agree that the statement in §4 is an extrapolation guided by the exact Haar-random result rather than a derivation. The manuscript does not supply an explicit bound, perturbative control, or ETH-style argument establishing that higher free cumulants remain exponentially suppressed (as opposed to polynomially small or system-size dependent) under local evolution. We will revise the text to present the claim explicitly as a conjecture motivated by the leading-order independence observed for Haar unitaries and by the expected universality of chaotic dynamics, without asserting a derivation. A rigorous justification of the suppression would require additional techniques beyond those employed here and is left for future work. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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Haar-random LOE computation via free probability is self-contained; long-time chaotic-system claim is extrapolation, not reduction by construction

full rationale

The paper's primary derivation analytically computes the Rényi LOE entropies under Haar-random unitaries for all indices using free-probability techniques, establishing asymptotic reproduction of the Page curve for traceless operators together with leading-order independence from the initial operator. This calculation is presented as exact and independent of any fitted parameters or self-referential definitions. The subsequent statement that generic locally interacting chaotic dynamics will exhibit the same long-time LOE (depending only on autocorrelation functions up to exponentially small corrections) is explicitly framed as an argument guided by the Haar result rather than a theorem derived from first principles inside the paper. No equation or step equates a claimed prediction to its own inputs by construction, no self-citations are load-bearing for the central result, and no ansatz is smuggled via prior work. The derivation chain for the exact Haar case therefore remains self-contained against external benchmarks.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central computation rests on established properties of free probability applied to Haar-random unitaries; no new free parameters or invented entities are introduced in the abstract.

axioms (1)

standard math Free probability theory applies to the calculation of operator entanglement entropies under Haar-random dynamics
Invoked to obtain the exact Rényi-indexed expressions for LOE.

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