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Fine-tuning on dialogue-generated data boosts LLM code translation unit-test success by over 56 points on the C++-to-CUDA task.

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2026-08-03 19:25 UTC pith:H6F3GTQG

load-bearing objection Solid data-generation pipeline and a useful format comparison; the dialogue-superiority claim doesn't survive the paper's own external benchmark, and the 7B-vs-proprietary comparison is confounded by debug rounds. the 4 major comments →

arxiv 2512.03086 v2 pith:H6F3GTQG submitted 2025-11-29 cs.PL cs.AIcs.SE

Beyond Code Pairs: Dialogue-Based Data Generation for LLM Code Translation

Le Chen , Nuo Xu , Winson Chen , Bin Lei , Pei-Hung Lin , Dunzhi Zhou , Rajeev Thakur , Caiwen Ding
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Ali Jannesari Chunhua Liao
This is my paper
classification cs.PL cs.AIcs.SE
keywords code translationdialogue-based data generationquestioner-solverLLM fine-tuningFortran to C++C++ to CUDAlow-resource programmingunit test verification
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The pith

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The paper's central claim is that the reasoning process behind code translation, captured as multi-turn dialogues between a Questioner and a Solver, is more effective training data than static source-target code pairs. The authors build an automated pipeline that generates verified translations, unit tests, and these dialogues for Fortran-to-C++ and C++-to-CUDA, then fine-tune open-weights LLMs on them. They report that this supervision yields large functional-correctness gains: CodeLlama-13B's unit-test success on C++-to-CUDA rises from 12.5% to 68.8%, and a fine-tuned 7B Qwen model outperforms Gemini 2.5 Flash and LLaMA 4 Scout on compilation and execution success. If correct, this points to a cost-effective way to generate high-quality supervision for low-resource translation domains.

Core claim

The paper's discovery is that fine-tuning on dialogue data—not just code pairs—produces dramatic improvements in functional correctness for LLM code translation. Specifically, they introduce a dual-LLM Questioner-Solver pipeline that generates multi-turn dialogues embedding compiler feedback, runtime errors, unit tests, and iterative repair steps. On the C++-to-CUDA task, fine-tuning CodeLlama-13B on their Question-Solution pairs raises unit-test success from 12.5% to 68.8%; on Fortran-to-C++, dialogue fine-tuning raises it from 42.3% to 74.1%. Furthermore, a dialogue-tuned Qwen2.5-7B achieves 93.18% compilation success on the C++-to-CUDA test, above the proprietary baselines Gemini 2.5 Flas

What carries the argument

The central mechanism is the Questioner-Solver module, a dual-LLM architecture that replaces the single LLM core of a translation agent. The Questioner maintains a dialogue memory and uses compiler and runtime feedback to formulate targeted queries; the Solver generates translations, writes unit tests, and repairs code in response. Their iterative exchange yields multi-turn dialogues that constitute the training data. The pipeline also includes a unit-test verification loop: unit tests are generated for source and target code, compiled, executed, and refined until passed, and a final duo-test stage compares source and translated outputs to certify functional equivalence.

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise is that the unit tests written by the Solver LLM are correct, strong, and sufficiently comprehensive to certify functional equivalence between the source and translated programs; both the dataset's verified pairs and the primary Unit Test Success metric depend on these LLM-written assertions.

What would settle it

Take a random sample of the generated dialogue datasets, replace the LLM-written unit tests with a test suite written by independent programmers or generated by a fuzzer that probes edge cases (empty inputs, extreme values, off-by-one, concurrency), and re-run the evaluation. If the fine-tuned models' unit-test success rates drop substantially below the reported 68.8% or 74.1%, the claimed functional-correctness gains are an artifact of weak tests rather than true translation quality.

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If this is right

  • The dialogue-generation pipeline can be applied to other low-resource or domain-specific translation pairs (e.g., Fortran to CUDA, OpenMP to SYCL) with expected gains similar to those reported.
  • Small open-weight models fine-tuned on dialogue-rich data can rival or surpass larger proprietary models on specific tasks, lowering the cost of high-performance code modernization.
  • Data format can be matched to task difficulty: question-solution pairs for syntax-heavy tasks, full dialogues for semantically demanding ones; this suggests a tunable supervision granularity.
  • Including compiler and runtime feedback in training data improves models' ability to recover from errors in debugging rounds, not just to generate correct code in a single shot.
  • The released benchmarks (3,652 Fortran-to-C++ and 3,394 C++-to-CUDA verified dialogues, with disjoint test suites) provide reusable evaluation resources for future work.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Because the unit tests that certify 'verified translations' are written by the same Solver LLM that also produces the translations, the reported correctness gains may be partly self-confirming; an evaluation against independently authored tests would be a sharper test of the claim.
  • The finding that QS-pair splitting outperforms full dialogues on the harder task suggests a curriculum schedule—start with atomic pairs, then introduce full reasoning traces—might further improve sample efficiency.
  • The pipeline's reliance on deterministic, self-contained test programs (with checksum output) limits the diversity of translated code; extending it to performance-sensitive or non-deterministic programs would test its generality.
  • The success of dialogue-based supervision hints that capturing 'why' a translation is repaired matters more than capturing the final 'what'—a principle that could transfer to other LLM tasks like bug fixing or natural-language-to-code generation.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

4 major / 4 minor

Summary. The paper introduces a dual-LLM Questioner–Solver pipeline that, for a given source program, generates unit tests, verifies source and target translations, and records multi-turn interaction traces. It applies this pipeline to Fortran→C++ and C++→CUDA, producing about 3.6k and 3.9k dialogues, and then fine-tunes CodeLlama-13B, DeepSeek-Coder-6.7B, and Qwen2.5-Coder-7B on three data formats: Code Pair, full Dialogue, and Question–Solution Pair. The authors report large gains over base models on Compilation, Execution, and Unit Test Success, claim that dialogue-based formats outperform conventional code pairs, and argue that a dialogue-tuned 7B model outperforms larger proprietary baselines.

Significance. If the empirical claims were robust, the paper would make a meaningful contribution: it offers a cost-effective, automated recipe for enriching scarce low-resource translation corpora with executable tests and reasoning traces, and it demonstrates the recipe across two HPC-relevant tasks and three model families. The pipeline is described in enough detail to reproduce, the prompt templates are included, and the inclusion of an external benchmark (HPC-Fortran-Cpp) and a data-format ablation are strengths. However, the central claims are only partially supported as reported: the external benchmark contradicts the dialogue-over-code-pair conclusion, and the proprietary-model comparison is confounded by an asymmetric debug-round protocol and in-distribution test sets.

major comments (4)
  1. [Table 2, HPC-Fortran-Cpp (§4.1.2)] On the only externally curated benchmark, Code Pair fine-tuning outperforms Dialogue fine-tuning on all three models and on all three functional metrics. For example, CodeLlama-13B reaches 26.91% vs 23.92% Unit Test Success, 84.05% vs 67.77% Compilation, and 79.07% vs 64.12% Execution for Code Pair vs Dialogue; the ordering is the same for DeepSeek-Coder and Qwen2.5-Coder. This directly contradicts the RQ2 claim that dialogue-centric formats are 'often superior' and that full Dialogue 'achieves the best functional correctness.' Because HPC-Fortran-Cpp is the only test set not produced by the authors' pipeline, the paper's central generalization claim is unsupported. Please either provide an explanation for the reversal or substantially soften the claim and re-frame the contribution as a general pipeline-generated-data fine-tuning study.
  2. [Table 4, §4.3 RQ3] The '7B beats proprietary systems' headline is confounded. Qwen2.5-Coder-7B is evaluated with Debug rounds = 3, whereas the table text and caption do not state that Gemini 2.5 Flash and LLaMA 4 Scout receive the same debug-round budget. In addition, the test sets are pipeline-generated and in-distribution with the training dialogues. The comparison therefore isolates neither model capacity nor the data-generation method. Please evaluate all models under identical debug-round protocols and, ideally, on an independent benchmark; at minimum, state the baseline protocol explicitly and remove 'significantly' unless a significance test is provided.
  3. [§3.3, §4.2, Table 3] The primary metric, Unit Test Success, depends on unit tests written by the same Solver LLM in stages 2.1 and 3.2 and validated only by compiler and runtime feedback. The headline '56%' improvement (abstract and §4.3 RQ1, from 12.50% to 68.80% for CodeLlama on CPP2CUDA under QS-Pair) is therefore computed on self-generated tests. If these tests are weak, trivial, or encode pipeline-specific conventions, both dataset filtering and the evaluation are biased in the same direction. The paper needs an independent test oracle, a human audit of a sample of the generated tests, or a third-party translation benchmark to support the claimed functional-correctness gains. Also, +56.3 percentage points should be reported as percentage points, not as a relative 'over 56%' improvement.
  4. [§4.1.2, dataset construction] The main evaluation suites (Fortran2CPP Code Pair Test, CPP2CUDA Code Pair Test, and the Checksum variant) are generated by the same Questioner–Solver pipeline and the same base models used to create the training data. Splitting by source-file index prevents direct example overlap, but it does not prevent style leakage: the test programs share the pipeline's prompt conventions, test-generation style, and output format (e.g., 'RESULT_OK checksum=<integer>'). A model fine-tuned on these dialogues can improve in-distribution metrics by learning these conventions. The external HPC-Fortran-Cpp set is the only check on this, and it does not support the dialogue advantage. Please add a genuinely out-of-distribution test set for at least one task, or demonstrate via ablation that pipeline-style matching is not driving the gains.
minor comments (4)
  1. [Abstract and Contributions] 'A automated pipeline' should be 'An automated pipeline.' Also, the Conclusion discusses only Fortran-to-C++ translation, even though the paper's other main task, C++→CUDA, features prominently in the contributions and experiments.
  2. [Artifacts] The paper states that the datasets and test suites are 'released,' but no repository URL or availability statement is provided. Please add a link or an anonymous artifact URL suitable for review.
  3. [REFERENCES] The citation for LLaMA 4 Scout is labeled 'Placeholder. Citation is illustrative for the specified model variant.' This is not an acceptable citation in a submitted paper; please replace it with the actual model card or technical report.
  4. [§4.3 RQ1] The phrase 'unequivocally demonstrates' is too strong for a single pipeline configuration with no statistical tests or confidence intervals. Several fine-tuning comparisons in Tables 2 and 3 differ by only a few examples, so the authors should either report variability or moderate the wording.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: pipeline-generated test sets are a validity caveat, not a derivation-circular step.

full rationale

The paper's argument is an empirical pipeline evaluation rather than a formal derivation. Its central quantities are measured, not deduced: dialogue data are generated by the Questioner-Solver process (Sec. 3.3), held-out test sets are disjoint from training by construction (Sec. 4.1: 'split all generated data by source file index ranges into distinct training and testing partitions'), and the primary metric is defined by externally executable checks ('enforces bit-exact checksum consistency'). No parameter is fitted to test labels, and no theorem is imported from a self-citation. The main caveat is in Sec. 4.1.2, where both CPP2CUDA test sets are 'generated using the same pipeline configuration' as the training data, so the reported gains are in-distribution with the data-generation process; this is a generalization/validity limitation, not a derivation-circularity, since the model must still produce correct translations for unseen code. Self-citations (CodeRosetta, HPC-Fortran-Cpp, Lei et al. 2023) serve as data sources, not load-bearing justifications, and the Limitations section itself acknowledges 'simplified test environments' and that 'evaluation focuses mainly on compilability and correctness.' No equation reduces to its input and no fitted value is relabeled as a prediction.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

3 free parameters · 4 axioms · 0 invented entities

There are no new physical or mathematical entities. The central dependencies are ML-domain assumptions: generated unit tests certify correctness, generated test splits measure generalization, and dialogue traces transfer to new models. The free parameters are pipeline/training settings chosen by hand, none fitted to an external benchmark.

free parameters (3)
  • pipeline iteration threshold = 7
    Samples are discarded if unit-test or translation repair fails after seven rounds (Section 3.3, steps 2.2/3.2); this affects which dialogues enter the dataset.
  • preprocessing token-length constraint = unspecified
    Only self-contained snippets under a token limit are retained (Section 3.3, step 1); the exact limit is not given, so the corpus boundary is not reproducible.
  • fine-tuning hyperparameters = rank=8, alpha=16, lr=1e-4, 3 epochs, context 8192/4096
    Chosen by hand (Section 4.2); results could shift with different settings, though the central claim does not depend on these exact values.
axioms (4)
  • domain assumption LLM-generated unit tests are correct and sufficiently strong to certify functional equivalence
    Pipeline validates translations with tests written by the Solver LLM (stages 2.1/3.2); if tests are trivial or wrong, 'verified' pairs may be incorrect.
  • domain assumption Main test splits generated by the same pipeline are representative of low-resource translation
    Training and main test sets both come from the same Questioner-Solver system (Section 4.1.2); external HPC set results are weaker, so this assumption is load-bearing.
  • domain assumption Dialogue traces from LLaMA models encode transferable reasoning
    The entire method assumes Questioner-Solver dialogues are better supervision than code pairs (Section 3.2).
  • domain assumption Compiler and runtime feedback correctly identifies semantic errors
    The pipeline relies on GCC/NVCC and runtime checks to accept or reject translations (Section 3.3); undetected undefined behavior would break the verification.

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Large language models (LLMs) have shown remarkable capabilities in code translation, yet their performance deteriorates in low-resource programming domains such as Fortran and emerging frameworks like CUDA, where high-quality parallel data are scarce. We present an automated dataset generation pipeline featuring a dual-LLM Questioner-Solver design that incorporates external knowledge from compilers and runtime feedback. Beyond traditional source-target code pair datasets, our approach additionally generates (1) verified translations with unit tests for assessing functional consistency and (2) multi-turn dialogues that capture the reasoning process behind translation refinement. Applied to Fortran-to-C++ and C++-to-CUDA, the pipeline yields 3.64k and 3.93k dialogues, respectively. Fine-tuning on this data yields dramatic improvements in functional correctness, boosting unit test success rates by over 56% on the challenging C++-to-CUDA task. We show that the generated data enables a 7B open-weight model to significantly outperform larger proprietary systems on key metrics like compilation success.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2512.03086 by Ali Jannesari, Bin Lei, Caiwen Ding, Chunhua Liao, Dunzhi Zhou, Le Chen, Nuo Xu, Pei-Hung Lin, Rajeev Thakur, Winson Chen.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: High-level architecture of the Ques￾tioner–Solver module in our design to replace the sin￾gle LLM core in regular LLM agent frameworks. The Questioner analyzes state and formulates queries using dialogue memory and external tools (e.g., compilers, runtime environments, scripts), while the Solver gen￾erates translations, unit tests, and repairs. Their itera￾tive interaction enables reasoning separation, ext… view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Multi-Turn Dialogue Dataset Generation Pipeline. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Impact of Fine-tuning and Debug Rounds on Fortran to C++ Translation Success (Qwen2.5-Coder-7B). [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Impact of Fine-tuning and Debug Rounds on C++ to CUDA Translation Success (CodeLlama-13B). [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_4.png] view at source ↗

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