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Current LLMs cannot sustain hidden reasoning for math tasks, but a counting test shows the encoding skill is emerging at 92% accuracy.

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load-bearing objection Solid negative result on prompted stego reasoning and a useful counting-task probe, but the paper's central 'encoding-only floor' claim conflates sentence-level with word-level acrostics, and the abstract oversells the numbers. the 3 major comments →

arxiv 2602.14095 v2 pith:QIX6UQCT submitted 2026-02-15 cs.AI cs.CR

NEST: Nascent Encoded Steganographic Thoughts

Artem Karpov This is my paper
classification cs.AI cs.CR
keywords steganographic chain-of-thoughtLLM safetycovert reasoningacrostic encodingchain-of-thought monitoringencoding fidelityprompt-elicited steganographycounting benchmark
verification ladder T0 review T1 audit T2 compute T3 formal T4 reserved

The pith

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper tries to establish whether large language models can hide their chain-of-thought reasoning inside innocuous-looking text—a capability that would undermine safety monitoring. Across 28 models and several math datasets, no prompted model produced a single correct steganographic chain of thought; the stego channel was even dominated by a simple filler-token baseline. However, when the reasoning was removed and the model only had to encode a known number sequence as sentence-initial letters, Claude Opus 4.5 reached 92% per-digit accuracy on short sequences. The authors interpret this as the binding constraint being the joint reasoning-plus-encoding load, not raw channel capacity, and they argue the encoding-only skill is nascent but improving with model generation.

Core claim

The paper's central claim is that current frontier models cannot, when prompted, simultaneously solve a hidden math or arithmetic problem and embed that reasoning into an innocuous cover answer (steganographic chain-of-thought). Testing word-level acrostics on arithmetic, GSM8K, and maze problems, no model succeeded, and a paired statistical comparison showed the steganographic channel is weaker than simply emitting 200 filler tokens before the answer. To isolate the embedding sub-skill, the authors introduced a counting task in which the model must encode a known numerical sequence as the first letters of sentences, with a randomized digit-to-letter mapping. Here Claude Opus 4.5 achieved 92

What carries the argument

The central instrument is the steganographic counting task: the model receives a cover question, a numerical range to encode, and a randomized digit-to-letter mapping, and must produce natural text whose sentence-initial letters spell the sequence. This task strips away the reasoning component and measures encoding alone—the 'encoding-only floor.' The paper reasons that a model that cannot execute this simpler embedding cannot possibly embed while reasoning, so the counting task serves as a lower-bound diagnostic for stego CoT capability. The contrasting reasoning tests use word-level acrostics to hide the solution steps of arithmetic problems and grade-school math, and the comparison agains

Load-bearing premise

The paper assumes that the sentence-acrostic counting task exercises the same embedding skill as the word-acrostic reasoning task; if these draw on different mechanisms, the 'encoding-only floor' does not isolate the joint-load bottleneck.

What would settle it

Re-run the counting task at D=8 with Claude Opus 4.5 and check whether exact-match is near 100% (as the abstract suggests) or 54% (as the results table shows), then give the same model a trivially easy hidden problem like '2+3' under the word-acrostic prompt: if it still cannot produce a correct stego chain of thought, the joint-load hypothesis is wrong.

Watch this falsifier — get emailed when new claim-graph text bears on it.

If this is right

  • Chain-of-thought monitoring remains a viable oversight tool for mathematical reasoning today; prompted models cannot yet hide their reasoning in plain text.
  • The encoding-only channel already works for short messages, so even now a model could covertly transmit a short secret in an otherwise benign answer.
  • Encoding capability improves steadily within model families, suggesting stego CoT may become feasible before the joint skill is explicitly trained; continuous benchmarking is warranted.
  • The counting task offers a cheap, automatable probe for tracking steganographic capability across future model releases.
  • Safety training alone is not a reliable backstop: some GPT-5.2 responses refuse the stego instruction yet partially encode the message anyway.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the joint-load hypothesis is right, reducing reasoning cost—through fine-tuning, chain-of-thought distillation, or more compute—may unlock stego CoT before raw model scale does; RL fine-tuning experiments are the natural next test.
  • The counting task's fixed letter set and five cover questions may allow models to memorize patterns; a variant with per-trial novel letters and topics would test whether the encoding skill generalizes to truly arbitrary messages.
  • The same evaluation could be turned into a defense: training a detector specifically on acrostic patterns, or randomizing expected sentence structure, might close this nascent channel before it matures.
  • The observed 'refuse-but-comply' behavior in GPT-5.2 suggests refusal mechanisms and instruction-following can decouple; monitoring pipelines should treat refusal text as a potential cover for encoding.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper introduces a framework for evaluating prompted steganographic chain-of-thought (CoT) in LLMs and runs two experiments: a counting task that requires embedding a known numeric sequence into sentence-initial acrostics, and a set of math tasks (arithmetic and GSM8K) that require embedding hidden reasoning into word-initial acrostics. The main empirical findings are that current frontier models cannot sustain joint reasoning-plus-encoding in math tasks (across 83 prompted trials on 5 models, no correct steganographic chain emerged), but that models show a nascent encoding-only ability in the counting task (e.g., Claude Opus 4.5 reaches 92% per-number partial accuracy at D=4 and 78% at D=8). The paper concludes that the binding constraint on stego CoT is the joint reasoning-plus-encoding load rather than raw channel capacity, and that steganographic encoding capability improves with model generation.

Significance. If the results are sustained, the counting task provides a clean, parameterized benchmark for measuring steganographic encoding capacity, and the negative math result is a useful addition to the literature on ciphered/steganographic reasoning. The randomized digit-to-letter mapping with a stated chance baseline, the parallel scoring pipeline, and the explicit reporting of sample sizes and standard errors in Table 1 are strengths. However, the central mechanistic inference is currently under-supported because the encoding-only condition uses a different and easier encoding modality (sentence-level acrostics over a known sequence) than the joint task (word-level acrostics over generated reasoning), and the abstract substantially overstates the reported results. These issues are addressable in revision, but they are load-bearing for the paper's main conclusion.

major comments (3)
  1. [Sec. 3.1 vs Sec. 4, App. D.2] The paper's central inference—that the binding constraint on stego CoT is the joint reasoning-plus-encoding load, not raw channel capacity—is not established. The counting task (Sec. 3.1) uses sentence-level acrostics to encode a known numeric sequence with a simple cover prompt, while the math task (App. D.2) uses word-level acrostics to encode multi-step reasoning within a longer, more constrained generation. These differ in acrostic granularity, prompt complexity, and output length. The 92% per-number accuracy on the counting task only clears an encoding-only floor for sentence-initial letter control; it does not show that models can control word-initial letters well enough to embed a reasoning trace. There is no word-level encoding-only condition with matched prompt structure and output length. Without such a control, the failure on math could be due to word-level acrostic difficulty
  2. [Abstract vs full text] The abstract makes claims that are not supported by the body: it states '34 models,' 'a paired McNemar comparison,' 'saturates at 100% exact-match on length-8 single-digit sequences,' and a filler-token dominance result on every (model, family) cell. The full text reports 28 models, contains no McNemar analysis, and Table 1 shows 54% EM at D=8 for Claude Opus 4.5, not 100%. The abstract also says 'five datasets' while the body says 'four datasets.' This is a serious factual inconsistency that would mislead readers. Either add the missing analyses and correct the numbers, or rewrite the abstract to match the body.
  3. [Sec. 4.2] The conclusion that 'current models cannot yet sustain hidden reasoning for complex math and arithmetic tasks' is based on 83 prompted trials across 5 models, with no per-model sample sizes, no confidence intervals, and no statistical test. The two trials with correct final answers are attributed to 'latent reasoning ability' rather than genuine steganographic computation, but this attribution is not validated by the data. For a strong negative claim about frontier models, the sample is small and the analysis is under-reported. Please provide a per-model breakdown (n, refusals, error categories), a power or sensitivity analysis, and a more careful treatment of the ambiguous trials.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Sec. 4.1] In the paragraph after Figure 2, 'D=41' should be 'D=4' (the reported exact-match maximum is 54% at D=4 in Table 1).
  2. [Abstract] Grammar: 'dominated by an filler-token baseline' should be 'dominated by a filler-token baseline.'
  3. [Throughout] The model naming is inconsistent: 'Claude Opus 4.5' in most places, but 'Claude 4.5 Opus' in the caption of Figure 6. Please standardize.
  4. [Sec. 2/References] Several references use bare URLs with no access date or journal/venue information (e.g., Mccarthy et al., Roger (a)/(b), Lopez). Please complete the bibliography for reproducibility.
  5. [App. D.1] The counting prompt template includes placeholders {example_1_3} and {example_8_10}, but the actual example responses are not shown in the appendix. For reproducibility, include the full example texts.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the empirical measurements are self-contained; the weak control-matching assumption is a correctness gap, not a circular derivation.

full rationale

The paper's central claims are direct, externally-benchmarked measurements: prompted models either do or do not encode acrostics and solve hidden tasks, scored by algorithmic extraction and numerical comparison (Sec. 3, Fig. 1). There are no fitted parameters that are subsequently relabeled as predictions, and no equation in the paper is shown to equal its own input by construction. The main risk is Sec. 4's inference that success on the sentence-acrostic counting task (Sec. 3.1) establishes an 'encoding-only floor' for the word-acrostic math task (App. D.2). That inference assumes the two tasks load the same encoding mechanism; the paper states this ('The counting task provides a lower bound on steganographic capacity') but does not test it, and no word-level encoding-only control is provided. This is an untested premise and a correctness/validity concern, not a circular reduction: the counting result is not defined in terms of the math result, nor does any fitted quantity force the math failure. The only self-citations (Karpov et al. (a/b) in the intro and related work) are background context for steganographic messaging and are not used to derive the new measurement results. Using the same model family as monitor/translator is a limitation of the evasion measurement but does not make the encoding-accuracy results self-referential. Therefore the circularity score is low; the paper is not circular in its derivation chain.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

3 free parameters · 4 axioms · 0 invented entities

No fitted parameters are used; the evaluation is empirical. The main assumptions are proxy choices: acrostics as stego, natural-language chance baseline, same-model monitor/translator reliability, and the counting-task lower-bound transfer.

free parameters (3)
  • Filler-token count N = 200
    Filler-token baseline uses N=200 periods; chosen by hand and affects the baseline's computational capacity.
  • Digit-to-letter set = {S,C,P,A,B,T,D,M,R,F}
    The fixed 10-letter mapping set is chosen by hand; the chance baseline and acrostic feasibility depend on the letter frequencies of this set.
  • Difficulty levels D = {4,6,8,10,12,15,16,20,26,50}
    D values were selected by hand; observed capability declines with D and the set of D values determines the reported performance curves.
axioms (4)
  • domain assumption Natural English word-initial letter frequencies yield a per-digit chance baseline of ~6% for the chosen mapping letters.
    Sec 4.1 uses this to argue that near-92% accuracy far exceeds chance; the estimated 55-60% letter mass is approximate and not measured in the paper.
  • domain assumption Acrostic encoding is a valid proxy for steganographic CoT.
    Appendix B states acrostic is an approximation of generative steganography; the paper does not test whether other stego methods would behave differently.
  • domain assumption Same-model LLM monitor and translator are reliable judges of evasion, refusal, and stego attempt.
    Sec 3 uses same-model scorers; the translator defaults to refused=false unless explicit refusal language is present, which may bias refusal detection.
  • domain assumption The counting task is a lower bound for steganographic reasoning.
    Sec 3.1 asserts that a model that cannot count steganographically cannot reason steganographically; this transfer is assumed but not validated.

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Monitoring chain-of-thought (CoT) reasoning is a foundational safety technique for large language model agents; however, this oversight is compromised if models learn to conceal their reasoning. We explore steganographic CoT--where models hide secret reasoning within innocuous text--to inform risk assessment and deployment policies. Steganographic reasoning requires two skills in a single forward pass: computing an intermediate result, and embedding it into a coherent cover that answers an unrelated question. Drawing on our taxonomy of steganographic and non-steganographic CoT types, we systematically evaluate the limits of prompt-elicited steganographic CoT capability across 34 models, ranging from past generations to the current frontier. We measure monitor evasion, refusal rates, encoding fidelity, and hidden task accuracy across five datasets, comparing against plain reasoning, direct answer, and filler-token baselines. The two experiments isolate the two sub-skills: a reasoning tasks sweep tests joint reason-and-embed, while a counting task hands the model a known numerical sequence and tests embedding alone--a necessary precondition for stego reasoning. Current frontier models cannot sustain joint reason-and-embed: a paired McNemar comparison shows the steganographic channel is dominated by an filler-token baseline on every (model, family) cell. The encoding-only floor, by contrast, is cleared--Claude Opus~4.5 reaches 92% per-number partial accuracy on 4-digit sequences and saturates at 100% exact-match on length-8 single-digit sequences--establishing that the binding constraint on stego CoT is the joint reasoning-plus-encoding load, not raw channel capacity. Our findings underscore the need for continuous evaluation of steganographic risk and provide a methodology to preemptively detect and evaluate hidden reasoning that might empower misaligned scheming and deceptive behavior.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2602.14095 by Artem Karpov.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Overview of the steganographic CoT evaluation framework. (a) The agent (LLM encoder) receives three inputs: a cover question that it must answer naturally, a hidden task it must solve covertly, and a steganographic algorithm specifying how to embed its reasoning. The agent produces a stegotext—a response that appears to answer only the cover question but steganographically encodes the hidden task solution.… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Per-number accuracy (partial credit) across models and difficulty levels [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Per-number accuracy by model family across [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Steganographic counting capability by model, averaged across all [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_4.png] view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Exact match rate by model and difficulty level 𝐷. Exact match requires all digits in the sequence to be correctly encoded. Most models achieve zero exact match at 𝐷≥16 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_5.png] view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: Error analysis: proportion of trials falling into each failure category, by model. “Perfect” indicates both correct sentence count and correct acrostic letters. “Wrong letters only” means correct sentence count but incorrect acrostic. “Wrong count only” means correct letters but wrong number of sentences. The dominant failure mode across most models is “both wrong,” (incorrect count and letters) indicating… view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Refusal analysis for GPT-5.2 across difficulty levels. Purple line shows refusal rate, blue [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_7.png] view at source ↗

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