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arxiv: 2605.14220 · v1 · submitted 2026-05-14 · 💻 cs.LG · cs.AI· cs.CL

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Diagnosing Training Inference Mismatch in LLM Reinforcement Learning

Tianle Zhong , Neiwen Ling , Yifan Pi , Zijun Wei , Tianshu Yu , Geoffrey Fox , Peng Wu , Xiao Yu
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keywords Training-Inference MismatchLLM Reinforcement Learningtraining collapseVeXactpolicy optimizationrollout generationnumerical mismatch
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Small token-level numerical disagreements can independently cause training collapse in LLM reinforcement learning.

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Modern LLM RL separates rollout generation from policy optimization, expecting exact token probability matches but often encountering implementation-induced differences that create Training-Inference Mismatch (TIM). The paper introduces VeXact, a zero-mismatch diagnostic setting, to isolate TIM and demonstrates that even minor numerical disagreements at the token level can trigger training collapse on their own. It further reveals that TIM alters the underlying optimization problem and proposes remedies to address the issue. The results indicate TIM is a significant systems-level factor that must be considered in LLM RL stability rather than dismissed as noise.

Core claim

In a controlled diagnostic setting that enforces exact matching between rollout and optimization, small token-level numerical disagreements arising from implementation differences in LLM RL systems are shown to independently cause training collapse. TIM is isolated from off-policy drift and stabilization effects, revealing that it modifies the effective optimization problem being solved. Remedies are identified that can mitigate these effects, leading to the conclusion that TIM represents a first-order perturbation in analyzing training stability.

What carries the argument

The VeXact diagnostic setting, which creates a zero-mismatch environment to separate Training-Inference Mismatch from other confounding factors in LLM RL training.

Load-bearing premise

The VeXact diagnostic setting successfully isolates TIM from off-policy drift and stabilization mechanisms without introducing new artifacts.

What would settle it

Observing whether training collapse occurs in VeXact when numerical matching is enforced versus when small disagreements are allowed to persist.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.14220 by Geoffrey Fox, Neiwen Ling, Peng Wu, Tianle Zhong, Tianshu Yu, Xiao Yu, Yifan Pi, Zijun Wei.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Statistical |δt| max and mean for every training batch in the Qwen3-1.7B GRPO exper￾iment (detailed configuration in Appendix A.1). While the mean of |δt| is small, we can observe some extreme tokens with its |δt| near 1.0. 3 Isolating TIM with VeXact In this section, we isolate the impact of TIM on RL training stability. This requires two key ingre￾dients: (1) First, we introduce a TIM-free rollout implem… view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: REINFORCE experiments comparing vLLM non-exact rollout with [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Qwen3-1.7B GRPO experiments with VeXact and vLLM recomputation and bypass, where only VeXact can maintain the training stability. More experimental results on the DAPO dataset in Appendix A.3. Under such setups, TIM is intertwined with stabilization techniques for them like PPO clipping. We now turn to the second research question: when practitioners apply common stabilization tech￾niques, among which some… view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: KL estimators under recomputation and bypass. In recomputation mode, both [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Sign-imbalanced ratio contributions under recomputation.We plot the zero-centered ratio [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Algorithmic-patch comparison. We evaluate four correction baselines: [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Additional metrics of REINFORCE experiments comparing vLLM non-exact rollout with [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_7.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 8. Figure 8: Qwen3-1.7B GRPO experiments on the DAPO dataset, with [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p015_8.png] view at source ↗
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Modern LLM RL systems separate rollout generation from policy optimization. These two stages are expected to produce token probabilities that match exactly. However, implementation differences can make them assign different values to the same sequence under the same model weights, inducing Training-Inference Mismatch (TIM). TIM is difficult to inspect because it is entangled with off-policy drift and common stabilization mechanisms. In this work, we isolate TIM in a zero-mismatch diagnostic setting (VeXact), and show that small token-level numerical disagreements can independently cause training collapse. We further show that TIM changes the effective optimization problem, and identify a set of remedies that could mitigate TIM. Our results suggest that TIM is not benign numerical noise, but a systems-level perturbation that should be treated as a first-order factor in analyzing LLM RL stability.

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Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper identifies Training-Inference Mismatch (TIM) arising from implementation differences between rollout generation and policy optimization in LLM RL, which can produce differing token probabilities under identical weights. It introduces the VeXact zero-mismatch diagnostic to isolate TIM from off-policy drift and stabilization mechanisms, claims that small token-level numerical disagreements independently induce training collapse, shows that TIM alters the effective optimization problem, and proposes remedies.

Significance. If the central empirical claims hold with rigorous controls, the work would be significant for LLM RL stability analysis: it reframes TIM as a first-order systems perturbation rather than benign noise, supplies a diagnostic tool for isolating numerical mismatch, and identifies concrete mitigation strategies. The emphasis on reproducible isolation of a previously entangled factor could influence how future RL training pipelines are audited.

major comments (3)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract and VeXact section: the claim that VeXact successfully isolates TIM and that small numerical disagreements independently cause collapse is unsupported by any quantitative results, error analysis, ablation tables, or implementation details on how exact logit copying is enforced; without these, the causal attribution cannot be evaluated.
  2. [VeXact] VeXact diagnostic description: no explicit verification is provided that enforcing zero mismatch (e.g., forced exact logit copying) preserves the original optimization problem, gradient paths, or sampling dynamics; if the diagnostic itself modifies the effective loss landscape, observed collapse cannot be attributed solely to TIM.
  3. [Experiments] Results on training collapse: the assertion that TIM changes the effective optimization problem requires controlled re-introduction of mismatch at varying scales with metrics showing that collapse scales with the mismatch magnitude and not with side-effects of the diagnostic setup.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Preliminaries] Notation for token probabilities and mismatch metrics should be defined once with explicit formulas rather than introduced piecemeal.
  2. [Figures] Figure captions for any VeXact diagrams should include the precise conditions under which mismatch is controlled or eliminated.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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Thank you for the constructive feedback on our paper 'Diagnosing Training Inference Mismatch in LLM Reinforcement Learning'. We value the referee's assessment of its potential significance and address the major comments below, outlining revisions to enhance clarity and support for our claims.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and VeXact section: the claim that VeXact successfully isolates TIM and that small numerical disagreements independently cause collapse is unsupported by any quantitative results, error analysis, ablation tables, or implementation details on how exact logit copying is enforced; without these, the causal attribution cannot be evaluated.

    Authors: The full paper includes quantitative experiments in the results section demonstrating TIM isolation via VeXact, with training curves showing collapse under mismatch. We will revise the abstract and VeXact section to include more implementation details on logit copying enforcement, error bounds, and ablation tables quantifying the effect of small disagreements. This will strengthen the causal attribution. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [VeXact] VeXact diagnostic description: no explicit verification is provided that enforcing zero mismatch (e.g., forced exact logit copying) preserves the original optimization problem, gradient paths, or sampling dynamics; if the diagnostic itself modifies the effective loss landscape, observed collapse cannot be attributed solely to TIM.

    Authors: We will add a new subsection in the VeXact description providing explicit verification through both theoretical analysis and empirical checks that zero mismatch preserves gradients and sampling. This includes showing identical loss landscapes when TIM is absent, ensuring attribution to TIM alone. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [Experiments] Results on training collapse: the assertion that TIM changes the effective optimization problem requires controlled re-introduction of mismatch at varying scales with metrics showing that collapse scales with the mismatch magnitude and not with side-effects of the diagnostic setup.

    Authors: The manuscript already presents experiments re-introducing mismatch at different levels, with collapse observed scaling accordingly. We will expand this with additional metrics and controls to rule out diagnostic side-effects, including plots of collapse vs. mismatch magnitude and ablations on the diagnostic setup. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No circularity: empirical diagnostic isolates TIM via controlled experiments

full rationale

The paper frames its contribution as an empirical diagnostic (VeXact) that isolates token-level numerical mismatch from off-policy drift and stabilization mechanisms, then demonstrates collapse under controlled re-introduction of mismatch. No derivation chain, equations, or predictions reduce by construction to fitted inputs, self-citations, or ansatzes; the central claim rests on experimental outcomes rather than a mathematical reduction. The work is self-contained against external benchmarks in the form of reproducible training runs, with no load-bearing self-citation or uniqueness theorem invoked to force the result.

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