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Belief2-Attention extends standard attention by retaining and processing the projected value component alongside the perpendicular residual while adding a ZZ^T matrix to capture richer token correlations.
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load-bearing objection This is a small follow-up tweak to the author's own prior Belief-Attention that reuses the projected component and adds ZZ^T, but the abstract supplies no equations or numbers so the gains remain uncheckable. the 2 major comments →
Improved Belief-Attention in Vision Task
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
By making use of both the perpendicular and projected components of the orthogonal projection of the softmax-weighted summation of V vectors, with the projected component passed through an activation function and linear mapping, and by introducing an additional inner-product matrix ZZ^T to the standard QK^T, Belief2-Attention captures richer token correlation information and is more expressive than standard attention.
What carries the argument
The Belief2-Attention module, which merges the perpendicular residual with a processed projected component and augments the attention matrix with ZZ^T.
Load-bearing premise
The projected component after orthogonal projection carries non-redundant information about token correlations that improves performance when retained and processed separately.
What would settle it
A controlled experiment on standard image classification or segmentation benchmarks in which Belief2-Attention achieves no accuracy improvement over standard attention would falsify the claim of greater effectiveness.
If this is right
- Belief2-Attention is more expressive than standard attention.
- It improves accuracy on image classification tasks.
- It improves accuracy on image segmentation tasks.
- The projected component should be retained rather than discarded because it holds useful correlation information.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Attention designs in general could benefit from separately processing the components of an orthogonal decomposition of value vectors.
- The two-layer FFN interpretation of the projected path suggests possible further extensions by varying the activation or depth of that sub-block.
- The interaction between the added ZZ^T matrix and the original QK^T matrix may warrant explicit analysis in follow-up work.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript proposes Belief2-Attention as an extension of the authors' prior Belief-Attention. An ablation study is said to show that the projected component of the orthogonal projection of the softmax-weighted V carries non-redundant token-correlation information. This component is routed through an activation and linear map (framed as an internal two-layer FFN), and an additional ZZ^T term is added to the standard QK^T matrix. The authors state that Belief2-Attention is more expressive than standard attention and report verification on image classification and segmentation tasks.
Significance. If the ablation result generalizes and the expressivity claim can be made rigorous, the work would supply a concrete mechanism for retaining additional correlation information inside the attention block, potentially improving vision-transformer performance in a principled way. The internal-FFN framing of the projected-component path is a clear conceptual contribution that could be reused in other attention variants.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that 'It can be easily shown that Belief2-Attention is more expressive than standard Attention' is asserted without any derivation, equation, or explicit comparison to the baseline attention mechanism. Because this is the central theoretical justification for the architectural change, the absence of the argument is load-bearing.
- [Abstract] Abstract (ablation-study paragraph): the motivation for processing the projected component through the extra activation+linear block (and for introducing ZZ^T) rests entirely on an ablation whose quantitative results, models, datasets, and error bars are not supplied. If that observation is specific to the tested settings, the justification for the new routing and the expressivity claim collapses.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] The manuscript would benefit from a one-paragraph recap of the original Belief-Attention construction so that the extension can be evaluated without immediate reference to the cited prior work.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the constructive feedback on the abstract. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript to strengthen the presentation.
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that 'It can be easily shown that Belief2-Attention is more expressive than standard Attention' is asserted without any derivation, equation, or explicit comparison to the baseline attention mechanism. Because this is the central theoretical justification for the architectural change, the absence of the argument is load-bearing.
Authors: We agree the expressivity claim in the abstract requires explicit support. In the revision we will add a concise derivation or side-by-side comparison (in the abstract or a new short paragraph in Section 2) showing that the combination of the processed projected component and the additional ZZ^T term strictly enlarges the set of representable token-correlation functions relative to standard QK^T attention. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (ablation-study paragraph): the motivation for processing the projected component through the extra activation+linear block (and for introducing ZZ^T) rests entirely on an ablation whose quantitative results, models, datasets, and error bars are not supplied. If that observation is specific to the tested settings, the justification for the new routing and the expressivity claim collapses.
Authors: The ablation demonstrating non-redundant information in the projected component is reported with concrete models, datasets, and metrics in the main experimental section. To address the concern about the abstract, we will insert a one-sentence summary of the key quantitative finding (including error bars) into the abstract paragraph and ensure all ablation details are clearly referenced. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; derivation relies on new ablation and task verification
full rationale
The paper cites prior self-authored work only to describe the base Belief-Attention mechanism, then introduces an independent ablation study on the projected component to motivate retaining it via an extra processing block. Belief2-Attention is defined by this extension plus the ZZ^T augmentation, with the expressivity observation following directly from the added term rather than any fitted parameter or unverified self-citation chain. Effectiveness claims rest on new experiments for classification and segmentation, providing external empirical content independent of the cited base. No load-bearing step reduces a claimed result to its own inputs by construction.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption The inner-product matrices QK^T and ZZ^T together capture richer token correlations than QK^T alone.
read the original abstract
Recently, Belief-Attention \cite{Guoqiang25BeliefAttention} has been proposed by first performing an orthogonal projection of the softmax-based weighted summation of $V$ vectors with respect to the original $V$ vectors and then taking the perpendicular component as the residual signal in Transformer for performance improvement. In this paper, we first conduct an ablation study showing the projected component also carries information about the token correlation, which should not be ignored. We then propose to extend Belief-Attention by making use of both the perpendicular and projected components. In particular, the projected component goes through certain activation function and then a linear mapping before merging with the considered token. Conceptually speaking, the neural block for the projected component can be viewed as a two-layer feedforward network (FFN) within the new attention block. It is also noted that standard attention captures the token correlation via the inner-product matrix $QK^T$. We propose to introduce an additional inner-product matrix $ZZ^T$ to $QK^T$ to capture richer token correlation. We refer to the new module as Belief2-Attention. It can be easily shown that Belief2-Attention is more expressive than standard Attention. We then verify the effectiveness of Belief2-Attention for vision tasks of image classification and segmentation.
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