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Auditor catches fake unlearning: heuristic methods leak ε ≥ 50
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load-bearing objection A practical auditor for unlearning guarantees, with clean theory but a real confound in the headline empirical result. the 1 major comments →
Auditing of Unlearning Algorithms
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The paper's core discovery is that membership inference attacks can be repurposed into a calibrated, hypothesis-testing auditor that produces a data-dependent lower bound on the unlearning parameter ε. The reduction to local differential privacy (Lemma 4.1) is the bridge: certified unlearning implies the auditor's induced mechanism is locally private, so existing LDP tail bounds apply. The empirical payoff is that this auditor cleanly separates algorithms whose certified guarantees hold in the deployment regime from those whose guarantees rest on violated preconditions or on no formal guarantee at all. The Hessian-based method scoring ε_LB = 142.5 on a nonconvex model—higher than any purelyh
What carries the argument
reduction_to_ldp
Load-bearing premise
The reduction to local differential privacy relies on the triangle inequality for pure (ε, 0)-indistinguishability, which breaks down when δ > 0 because the additive slack becomes (1+e^ε)δ, too large to be useful. This restricts the auditor to pure unlearning (δ = 0), excluding many practical certified algorithms that operate with approximate guarantees.
What would settle it
If an unlearning algorithm with a valid (ε, 0)-certified guarantee consistently produced ε_LB well above ε across many independent audit runs, the test's Type I error control would be violated, falsifying Theorem 4.2's bound. Conversely, if a known-weak unlearning algorithm consistently produced ε_LB near zero, the auditor would lack power.
If this is right
- If the auditor's separation generalises, practitioners deploying unlearning can run it before trusting a claimed ε, catching cases where a certification's preconditions (e.g., convexity) silently fail at deployment.
- The restriction to δ = 0 limits applicability to algorithms certified under approximate (ε, δ)-unlearning with δ > 0; extending the triangle-inequality reduction to δ > 0 is identified by the authors as the key open problem, since the additive slack (1+e^ε)δ becomes too large.
- The uniform-vs-adversarial split asymmetry suggests that unlearning quality depends on semantic overlap between retain and forget data, which the auditor can surface as a diagnostic beyond a single ε_LB number.
- The pairwise baseline auditor yields zero lower bounds even at perfect accuracy due to loose Clopper-Pearson intervals, suggesting that the joint multi-canary approach is necessary, not merely convenient, for obtaining non-trivial bounds.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The auditor's power depends on the ratio of per-batch leakage to the number of candidate forget batches m; this creates a natural operating-point trade-off that could be tuned adaptively per algorithm rather than fixed a priori, potentially yielding tighter bounds.
- The δ = 0 restriction means the auditor cannot currently evaluate many practical certified algorithms that operate with δ > 0; a workaround might audit at δ = 0 for a modified version of the algorithm with δ set to zero, then argue continuity, though the paper does not explore this.
- If the auditor were run as part of a regulatory or compliance pipeline, the independence requirement between calibration and evaluation runs would need cryptographic enforcement to prevent a dishonest provider from sharing seeds or initializations across the two phases.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. This paper proposes a practical auditor for machine unlearning algorithms that computes data-dependent lower bounds on the unlearning parameter $ε$ via membership inference attacks. The core theoretical framework reduces the unlearning audit to a local differential privacy (LDP) lower-bound problem (Lemma 4.1) and derives a hypothesis test with controlled Type I error (Theorem 4.2) via a counting argument and Chernoff/union bounds. The authors instantiate this auditor in two ways (batchwise and joint sign-vector prediction) and evaluate it on CIFAR-100 and Shakespeare across certified (model clipping, rewind-to-delete) and uncertified (Hessian-based, IDA, ascent, fine-tuning) unlearning algorithms. The central empirical finding is a sharp separation: certified methods yield $ε_{LB} ≈ 0$, while uncertified methods yield $ε_{LB}$ in the tens or higher, with the Hessian-based method (whose certification silently fails in the nonconvex regime) flagged at $ε_{LB} = 142.5$.
Significance. The paper makes a solid contribution to the growing area of unlearning verification. The theoretical framework is clean and the lower bound in Theorem 4.2 is derived from first principles (LDP definition + counting argument) with no fitted constants. The reduction to LDP for the subset-level unlearning guarantee is a non-trivial extension of standard DP auditing (which typically handles only single-point neighboring relations). The empirical demonstration that the auditor can distinguish certified from uncertified methods, and specifically flag methods whose preconditions are violated (e.g., Hessian-based unlearning in the nonconvex regime), is a valuable diagnostic tool for the community. The authors provide reproducible code and falsifiable predictions. The restriction to pure ($δ=0$) unlearning is a limitation, but it is clearly stated and the $δ>0$ extension is discussed in Appendix C.
major comments (1)
- The central empirical claim of a 'sharp separation' between certified and uncertified methods is confounded by asymmetric auditor configurations. Certified methods are audited at $m=6$ ($B=750$) with $L=100$ evaluation runs using the joint sign-vector predictor, while uncertified methods use $m=4500$ ($B=1$) with $L=10$ runs and the batchwise predictor. As noted in Section F.1, the maximum attainable $ε_{LB}$ at $m=6$ with $L=10$ is only 4.00; even with $L=100$, the cap remains structurally low relative to the bounds reported for uncertified methods (50–142). This means the near-zero bounds for certified methods are consistent with two scenarios: (a) the certification genuinely holds, or (b) the auditor lacks power in the $m=6$, $L=100$ regime to detect any violation. The paper partially addresses this by showing the uncertified variant of model clipping (Figure 1a) yields growing $ε_{LB
minor comments (5)
- Section 7.1: The text states 'At the prescribed stopping time of Theorem 4.2, the audit yields $ε_{LB} ≈ 0$ across the entire grid.' It would help to clarify whether this refers to Theorem 4.2 of this paper or Theorem 4.2 of Koloskova et al. [2025], as the numbering is ambiguous.
- Table 1b: The Hessian-based method on CIFAR-100 shows a large uniform-vs-adversarial gap ($ε_{LB} = 142.5$ uniform vs. 10 adversarial). The explanation in Section 7.3 attributes the general uniform-vs-adversarial pattern to residual memorization and semantic adjacency, but the Hessian case is extreme. A brief discussion of why the Hessian method specifically exhibits such a large gap would strengthen the analysis.
- Section 8, Table 2: The logistic loss yields a 0 bound, attributed to a poor Lemma 3 ratio ($ρ ≈ 3×10^{-5}$). While Section H.3 explains this, it would be useful to note in the main text that the 0 bound for the logistic loss is an artifact of the specific construction rather than a failure of the auditor.
- Appendix C, Remark C.2: The discussion of $δ>0$ is valuable but somewhat dense. The condition $δ < M'/K$ for monotonicity is stated, but the practical implications could be made clearer by explicitly noting that for the operating points used in the experiments (e.g., $m=4500$, $r=3000$), $K$ is astronomically large, making the $δ>0$ audit vacuous. This is mentioned but could be more prominent.
- Figure 1a: The y-axis label '$ε_{LB}$' could be more informative if it included the range or noted that it is on a log scale (if applicable). The figure caption could also clarify that $L=500$ is used here, unlike the $L=100$ for certified methods.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for a careful reading and for identifying a legitimate concern about the comparability of our certified vs. uncertified audit configurations. The referee is correct that the asymmetric choices of m, L, and auditor instantiation could, in principle, confound the 'sharp separation' claim. Below we address this point-by-point, acknowledge where the manuscript needs revision, and describe the additional experiments and textual changes we will make.
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Referee: The central empirical claim of a 'sharp separation' is confounded by asymmetric auditor configurations. Certified methods are audited at m=6 (B=750) with L=100 using the joint sign-vector predictor, while uncertified methods use m=4500 (B=1) with L=10 runs and the batchwise predictor. The maximum attainable ε_LB at m=6 with L=10 is only 4.00; even with L=100, the cap remains structurally low relative to bounds reported for uncertified methods (50–142). Near-zero bounds for certified methods are consistent with either (a) genuine certification or (b) lack of auditor power in the m=6, L=100 regime.
Authors: The referee raises a valid concern. We address it in three parts: (1) why the configurations differ, (2) what control experiments already exist, and (3) what we will add to the revision. revision: partial
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Referee: [Sub-point] Why the configurations differ — is this arbitrary?
Authors: The configuration difference is not arbitrary; it is driven by the fundamental signal strength of certified vs. uncertified methods, as discussed in Remark 4.3 and Sections F.2 and F.4. Certified methods inject noise calibrated to their (ε,δ) budget, making the in-forget-set and out-of-forget-set distributions for a single batch nearly indistinguishable. At large m (small B), the per-batch signal is too weak for the auditor to beat random guessing among exponentially many candidate sign vectors, and the joint sign-vector predictor — which requires enumerating |S_m| candidates — is computationally infeasible. We therefore use small m (B=750, m=6) with the joint sign-vector predictor for certified methods. For uncertified methods, the per-batch signal is strong, so large m (B=1, m=4500) with the batchwise predictor yields the tightest bounds. We will make this rationale more prominent in the main text (currently it is split across Remark 4.3 and Appendix F). revision: partial
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Referee: [Sub-point] The uncertified variant of model clipping as a control — is it sufficient?
Authors: The referee correctly notes that Figure 1a (uncertified variant of model clipping at C2=5, σ=10^{-4}, B=750) partially addresses the concern. This experiment uses the SAME B=750 (m=6) configuration as the certified variant and the SAME joint sign-vector predictor, and the auditor detects growing ε_LB — demonstrating that the m=6 regime is not inherently powerless when violations exist. However, we acknowledge two gaps: (i) the uncertified variant uses L=500 rather than L=100, and (ii) the maximum attainable bound at m=6 is indeed structurally limited (Section F.1: ε_LB ≤ 4.00 at L=10, and higher but still bounded at L=100). This means our audit cannot rule out small violations of the certified guarantee; it can only confirm that no large violations are detectable. We will revise the language from 'sharp separation' to a more precise statement: certified methods yield ε_LB ≈ 0 (i.e., the audit does not falsify their guarantees), while uncertified methods yield large ε_LB in a regime where the auditor has substantially more power. The separation is real but its magnitude is partly an artifact of the different operating points, and we will state this explicitly. revision: yes
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Referee: [Sub-point] What additional experiments will be added?
Authors: We will add the following experiments to strengthen the control: (1) Run the uncertified variant of model clipping (Figure 1a configuration) at L=100 (matching the certified setting) and report ε_LB as a function of step t, to verify that the auditor can still detect violations at the same run budget used for certified methods. (2) Run at least one uncertified method (e.g., forget ascent) at B=750 (m=6) with the joint sign-vector predictor, to show that the m=6 regime can detect large violations when they exist — providing a direct apples-to-apples comparison. (3) Report the maximum attainable ε_LB at m=6, L=100 explicitly in the main text (not just in Appendix F.1) so readers can calibrate the near-zero bounds against the auditor's ceiling in this regime. These additions will be incorporated into Sections 7.1 and 7.3 and a revised Figure 1. revision: yes
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Referee: [Sub-point] The convex experiments (Section 8) as additional evidence
Authors: We will also add a cross-reference to Section 8 (convex unlearning) in the main empirical discussion. In the convex setting, where the mechanism is analytically tractable, the gap between the certified ε and ε_LB is much smaller (Table 2), confirming that the auditor can produce tight bounds when the setting permits. This provides indirect evidence that the near-zero bounds for certified methods on CIFAR-100 reflect genuine unlearning rather than pure auditor slack, though we agree it is not a complete substitute for the direct control experiments described above. revision: partial
Circularity Check
No significant circularity found. The lower bound is derived from first principles; the one self-citation is a test subject, not a load-bearing premise.
full rationale
The paper's central theoretical result (Theorem 4.2) is a self-contained derivation: it starts from the definition of (ε,0)-LDP, applies Bayes' rule to obtain a pointwise posterior bound (Eq. 7), and combines it with a combinatorial counting argument to bound the overlap-score distribution via Chernoff and median bounds. No fitted constants enter the bound, and the Gaussian modeling in Instantiations I and II is explicitly stated to be a choice for the attack only: 'Modelling scores as Gaussian is a choice for the attack only; Theorem 4.2 requires no such assumption.' The reduction to LDP (Lemma 4.1) uses the standard triangle inequality for pure (ε,0)-indistinguishability, which is textbook DP group privacy, not a self-citation. The one notable self-citation is Koloskova et al. [2025] (model clipping), which shares co-authors with this paper, but it is cited as the algorithm being audited—a test subject—rather than as justification for the auditor's own validity. The audit is adversarial: it attempts to falsify the guarantee, not confirm it. The skeptic's concern about asymmetric auditor configurations (m=6 vs m=4500) is a statistical-power issue, not a circularity issue. The convex-setting results (Section 8) adapt the pairwise baseline with an independent definition from Sekhari et al. [2021], again without circular dependency. I find no step where a prediction reduces to its inputs by construction.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (5)
- ζ (confidence level) =
0.05
- m (number of forget batches) =
varies (6 for certified, 4500 for uncertified on CIFAR-100)
- r (support size) =
varies (100 for Shakespeare, 3000 for CIFAR-100 uncertified)
- L (number of evaluation runs) =
varies (10–500)
- Γ (calibration rounds) =
50
axioms (4)
- standard math Post-processing preserves (ε, δ)-indistinguishability
- standard math Triangle inequality for (ε, 0)-indistinguishability: if X ≈_{ε,0} Y and Y ≈_{ε,0} Z then X ≈_{2ε,0} Z
- domain assumption Logit scores under in-forget-set and never-seen hypotheses are approximately Gaussian
- domain assumption Calibration runs and evaluation runs are drawn independently
read the original abstract
Evaluating whether unlearning algorithms truly remove training data influence remains an open challenge. We propose a practical auditor that computes data-dependent lower bounds on the unlearning parameter $\varepsilon$ using membership inference attacks. Evaluating multiple unlearning algorithms, we find a sharp separation: algorithms with rigorous guarantees, such as model clipping and rewind-to-delete, achieve very small $\varepsilon$ bounds that do not falsify their unlearning guarantees, whereas empirical methods such as Hessian-based unlearning, interleaved ascent-descent, ascent on the forget set, and fine-tuning on the retain set exhibit large bounds, indicating poor unlearning. Our auditor provides a practical tool for empirically falsifying unlearning claims through a hypothesis-testing framework, and we validate it on CIFAR-100 and Shakespeare text.
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audit DP by having the adversary distinguish two models trained on neighbouring datasets. We adapt this baseline to unlearning by distinguishing the two unlearned models f(i) u :=U A(Dr ∪ D(i) f ),D r ∪ D(i) f ,D (i) f for i∈ {1,2} , corresponding to two distinct forget setsD(1) f ,D (2) f . Calibration and prediction are identical to Instantiation II 13 ...
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D.1 CIFAR-100 Forget/retain construction.For CIFAR-100 [Krizhevsky, 2009], we first split the original training set into a training portion (90%) and a validation portion (10%). From the training portion, we designate 10% of the points as the forget set Df (4,500 points), and use the remaining 40,500 points as the retain set Dr. We consider two types of s...
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for certified methods. A discussion of why this split between auditor instantiations is appropriate is given in Section F.4, with a more detailed study in Section F. Model.We use a TinyNetCIFAR100 model, a lightweight CNN that attains around 55% accuracy on the CIFAR- 100 test set after400 epochs of training. The architecture consists of two convolutional...
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Each chunk and the retain set are independently converted to sliding-window samples of length 80 characters, where x is the input sequence and y is the target sequence shifted by one character. The retain samples and sampled forget samples are then pooled and shuffled to form the training dataset. The retain and forget datasets used during evaluation are ...
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Model.The model is a 2-layer stacked character-level LSTM following McMahan et al
throughout, as on CIFAR-100. Model.The model is a 2-layer stacked character-level LSTM following McMahan et al. [2017]. Each input character is embedded into an 8-dimensional space, processed through two LSTM layers each with 256 hidden units, and projected to a softmax output layer over the vocabulary of|V|= 100 characters. The full model has 825,220 par...
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100 17.4945 3.31 N/A N/A 200 29.5805 6.46 0.53 N.A 400 47.8495 13.06 1.21 N.A 1000 80.693 29.74 3.26 0.00 2000 90.1105 51.47 6.64 0.27 3000 79.835 64.08 9.99 0.76 3500 73.21 65.19 N/A N/A 4000 66.631 64.22 13.26 1.29 Table 5: Comparison across batch sizes for the ascent on forget set setting. further, however, perfect overlap becomes harder to attain — th...
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so that the iterate xTnoisy satisfies the target(ε, δ)guarantee. Phase 2: fine-tuning.Starting from xTnoisy, the algorithm runs plain gradient descent on the retain-set loss — with no noise and no projection — until the total step budget is exhausted. G.1.2 Hyperparameters As chosen in Koloskova et al. [2025], we train for a total of 400 epochs with a tra...
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admits, so no certified(ε, δ) guarantee applies; we still report εLB at every step t as defined above. To obtain tighter bounds in this regime we use L= 500 runs. For context, 1 epoch corresponds to 317 steps in this setup, so Figure 1a effectively covers up to roughly2epochs. G.2 Rewind-to-delete We take T= 40 training epochs and K= 5 rewind epochs. Foll...
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Shakespeare.We vary q∈ {1,2,4} , Ef ∈ {5,7} , and λ∈ {0.5,1.0,1.5}
The learning rate is held constant at 10−3 during the interleaved phase, and reverts to a one-cycle schedule with maximum0.1during the retain-set fine-tuning phase. Shakespeare.We vary q∈ {1,2,4} , Ef ∈ {5,7} , and λ∈ {0.5,1.0,1.5} . The learning rate is held constant at 0.05 during the interleaved phase and held constant at 0.1 during the retain finetuni...
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25 H.1 Auditor pipeline We adapt the pairwise auditor of Section 5 (Nasr et al., 2021-style) to the convex setting, with two changes. First, in line with Theorem H.1, the auditor distinguishes the unlearned model produced from a non-empty forget set, U(D f ,A(D), S(D)) , against the model produced from an empty forget set, U(∅,A(D r), S(Dr)), rather than ...
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RemarkI.1.One may wonder why output perturbation gives a much tighter lower bound than Perturbed Hessian unlearning (given in Sekhari et al. [2021]); this is because the norm bound (∆) used for the addition of Gaussian noise is closer to what is actually attained empirically. J Computational resources All experiments were performed on NVIDIA RTX 4000 GPUs...
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