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In unbroken Weyl geometry no satisfactory proper time exists, because invariance, additivity, time dimension and affine parametrization cannot hold together.

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load-bearing objection Clean construction of the missing Weyl-invariant world-line action, plus a solid no-go for proper time in the unbroken phase; useful inside the subfield. the 2 major comments →

arxiv 2607.26868 v1 pith:HEWQLVX4 submitted 2026-07-29 hep-th gr-qc

World-Line Actions in Weyl Geometry

Cezar Condeescu , Andrei Micu This is my paper
classification hep-th gr-qc
keywords Weyl geometryworld-line actionproper timeopen Wilson linescale symmetry breakingautoparalleleinbeinsecond clock effect
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This paper builds a world-line action for a massive particle on a time-like curve in Weyl geometry, treated as a true gauge theory of scale transformations. The action is dimensionless, Weyl-invariant and additive, and it correctly yields the Weyl geodesic (autoparallel) equation; for a general Weyl field it is non-local, because an open Wilson line must dress the path. That same dimensionless character, and the ban on mass parameters in the symmetric phase, means the action cannot serve as a clock. The authors show that the four classical demands on proper time—affine parametrization, inverse-mass dimension, additivity and Weyl invariance—cannot be met at once, so no acceptable proper time exists while scale symmetry is intact. Spontaneous breaking generates a mass from the dilaton vacuum expectation value, the action collapses to the usual Riemannian one, and proper time is recovered. A quadratic einbein form of the action makes the non-locality look like the result of integrating out a constrained world-line field, which may help path-integral work.

Core claim

No quantity can simultaneously be Weyl-invariant, additive, of inverse-mass dimension and provide an affine parametrization of the geodesic equation in the unbroken phase of Weyl geometry; therefore no satisfactory notion of proper time exists until spontaneous symmetry breaking restores a mass scale and Riemannian geometry.

What carries the argument

The open Wilson line W(λ) on the world-line, solving the covariant-constancy condition D̂_λ W = 0. It supplies the non-local, Weyl-covariant dressing that turns the square-root length functional into a dimensionless, additive, gauge-invariant action whose Euler–Lagrange equation is the Weyl autoparallel equation.

Load-bearing premise

The claim rests on treating the four classical requirements—affine parametrization, inverse-mass dimension, additivity and Weyl invariance—as jointly necessary for any acceptable proper time; if a weaker operational definition is allowed, the no-go result need not hold.

What would settle it

Exhibit an explicit, additive, Weyl-invariant world-line parameter of inverse-mass dimension that still affinely parametrizes the Weyl geodesic equation in the symmetric phase, or show that after controlled symmetry breaking the predicted short-range corrections to Riemannian proper time are absent for dilaton-coupled particles.

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If this is right

  • Any second-clock-effect claim must be sought only in the broken phase, as residual Weyl corrections suppressed by the symmetry-breaking scale.
  • Only particles that couple directly to the dilaton (e.g. the Higgs in minimal embeddings) can feel those corrections.
  • The local einbein-plus-Lagrange-multiplier action supplies a practical starting point for path-integral quantization of particles in Weyl geometry.
  • In the vacuum the world-line theory reduces exactly to the Riemannian massive-particle action with mass m = ξ⟨ϕ⟩.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the no-go is accepted, historical arguments that used a non-local proper-time formula to prove a second clock effect were measuring something that is not an observable clock while symmetry is intact.
  • Laboratory or astrophysical bounds on dilaton–Higgs couplings could indirectly constrain residual non-Riemannian corrections to clocks after breaking.
  • The same Wilson-line dressing may organize other dimensionful observables (decay rates, cross sections) once they are required to be Weyl-invariant in the symmetric phase.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 4 minor

Summary. The paper constructs Weyl-invariant, dimensionless, additive world-line actions for a massive particle on a time-like curve in Weyl geometry, working from the modern gauge-theory formulation. In the integrable case the compensator is the local dilaton; in the general non-integrable case it is an open Wilson line built from the Weyl gauge field, yielding the non-local action (52). The Euler–Lagrange equations recover the autoparallel equation defined with the fully Weyl-covariant derivative. A classically equivalent quadratic einbein action is given, and non-locality is reinterpreted as the result of integrating out a constrained world-line field. The authors argue that the four classical requirements for proper time (affine parametrization, inverse-mass dimension, additivity, Weyl invariance) cannot be satisfied simultaneously in the unbroken phase, so no satisfactory proper time exists until spontaneous symmetry breaking reduces the action to the Riemannian one.

Significance. The work cleanly separates the construction of a consistent particle action from the long-standing debate on the second clock effect and proper time in Weyl geometry. By insisting on gauge invariance, dimensionality and additivity, it supplies an action suitable in principle for path-integral quantization and shows explicitly how the Riemannian massive-particle action and ordinary proper time re-emerge after scale symmetry breaking. The no-go statement for proper time in the symmetric phase, if accepted under the stated axioms, clarifies why earlier history-dependent proposals cannot serve as observables before breaking. The local constrained formulation (71) is a concrete technical contribution for future quantization studies.

major comments (2)
  1. [§3.3.2] §3.3.2, after Eq. (52): the derivation of the Euler–Lagrange equations is asserted to be “very similar to the pure gauge case” because W satisfies the covariant-constancy condition (43). Because W is a path-dependent open Wilson line, a careful functional variation with respect to x^μ(λ) must account for the change of the integration path inside the exponential. An explicit variation (or a short appendix) showing that no extra bulk terms arise beyond those already present for a local compensator would make the central claim fully rigorous.
  2. [§3.5] §3.5, Eqs. (63)–(65) and the surrounding text: the no-go result is presented as showing that “no satisfactory notion of proper time exists.” The argument is internally consistent once the four requirements are taken as jointly necessary, but that joint necessity is an interpretive axiom rather than a derived theorem. The manuscript should state the claim conditionally (“under the four classical requirements heta au cannot exist”) and briefly note that a weaker operational definition might evade the obstruction; this does not weaken the algebra but prevents over-statement.
minor comments (4)
  1. [Table 1, §3.5] Table 1 and the charge assignments: the Weyl charge p of ˙x^μ is left arbitrary throughout. A short remark on whether physical observables (or the path-integral measure) prefer a definite value (e.g. p = 0 or p = -1) would help the reader.
  2. [§3.3.2] Eq. (48) and the discussion of λ_0: the base point is left largely free (“-∞ or any point”). A sentence clarifying that physical predictions are independent of this choice once additivity (54) is imposed would remove a minor ambiguity.
  3. [Introduction / Conclusions] References: several closely related recent works on autoparallels and the inverse problem in non-metric geometries (e.g. the arXiv preprints cited as [16,17]) appeared nearly simultaneously; a slightly more comparative paragraph would better situate the novelty of (52) and (71).
  4. Typographical: “lenghts” (p. 2), “an einbeinon” (abstract), and occasional missing spaces around citations should be corrected in proof.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: action and no-go follow from stated gauge/dimensional requirements without tautological redefinition or load-bearing self-citation loops.

full rationale

The paper’s load-bearing chain is: (i) adopt the autoparallel equation with the Weyl-covariant derivative as the geometric law of free fall; (ii) impose Weyl invariance, dimensionless-ness and additivity on a world-line functional and construct the unique (up to ξ and the integration constant W(λ₀)) action that reproduces that law—local dilaton for integrable Weyl geometry, open Wilson line for the general case; (iii) show that the four classical proper-time requirements (affine parametrization, inverse-mass dimension, additivity, Weyl invariance) are algebraically incompatible before spontaneous symmetry breaking. None of these steps reduces by construction to its own input. The EL equations of (52)/(66) are derived and matched to the autoparallel equation rather than assumed; the Wilson line is the explicit solution of the first-order covariant-constancy ODE on the world-line, not a renamed fit; the no-go is a direct charge-and-dimension counting argument (eqs. 63–65) once the four requirements are accepted as jointly necessary. Self-citations ([10], [26], etc.) supply the background gauge-theory formulation of Weyl geometry and are not used to close a uniqueness or existence loop inside the present derivations. There is no fitted parameter, no uniqueness theorem imported from the authors as an external fact, and no renaming of a known empirical pattern. Score 0 is therefore appropriate.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 4 axioms · 2 invented entities

The paper works entirely inside the modern gauge-theory formulation of Weyl geometry. It imports the standard projective structure of autoparallels, the existence of the dilaton from the R² term, and the Stueckelberg mechanism for symmetry breaking; the only genuinely new objects are the Wilson-line compensator and the constrained world-line field used to localize the action.

free parameters (1)
  • ξ
    Dimensionless coupling that sets the strength of the particle-dilaton interaction and becomes the particle mass after symmetry breaking (m=ξ⟨φ⟩). Left arbitrary.
axioms (4)
  • domain assumption Autoparallels of the Weyl-covariant derivative define the physical trajectories of free particles.
    Taken as the starting point in §3.2 (eq. 30) from the modern gauge formulation.
  • domain assumption Physical observables must be Weyl-gauge invariant.
    Used throughout to reject non-invariant candidates for proper time (§3.5).
  • ad hoc to paper An acceptable proper time must be additive, of inverse-mass dimension, Weyl invariant and affinely parametrize the geodesic equation.
    Joint necessity of the four conditions is asserted in §3.5; if any one is dropped the no-go fails.
  • domain assumption The dilaton φ arises as the scalar mode of the R² term and carries Weyl charge -1.
    Standard in the authors’ prior Weyl-quadratic-gravity papers; used to build the local compensator.
invented entities (2)
  • Open Wilson-line compensator W(λ) no independent evidence
    purpose: Supplies the non-local factor that renders the world-line action Weyl invariant for a generic (non-integrable) Weyl field.
    Constructed in §3.3.2 as the solution of the covariant-constancy equation on the world-line.
  • Constrained world-line field W with Lagrange multiplier η no independent evidence
    purpose: Localizes the quadratic action so that non-locality appears only after integrating out W.
    Introduced in eq. (71) of §3.5.

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In this note we construct, from a gauge theory perspective, the world-line action for a particle moving on a time-like curve in Weyl geometry. The action we find is dimensionless, Weyl invariant, additive and, in general, non-local due to an open Wilson line which we have to add in order to account for a general Weyl field. In special cases, this Wilson line can be local, but the geometry becomes integrable. The action can not be used to measure the proper time as it is dimensionless and no mass parameter is allowed in the symmetric phase of the theory. We show that the usual conditions for defining proper time: affine parametrization, dimension of time and additivity supplemented by the requirement of Weyl invariance can not be fulfilled simultaneously and therefore no satisfactory notion of proper time exists in the symmetric phase. Under spontaneous symmetry breaking the particle acquires a mass, the action becomes Riemannian and the proper time can be again defined. We also construct a classically equivalent quadratic action by using an einbein on the world-line and show that the non-locality can be seen to arise from integrating out a constrained field.

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