REVIEW 2 major objections 1 minor 14 references
HAMU uses data similarity as a hardness measure to guarantee a specified forget quality gain in unlearning while minimizing retain utility degradation.
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load-bearing objection HAMU adds a constrained-optimization framing and similarity-based hardness measure to multi-objective unlearning, but the claimed guarantees rest on derivations that need close checking. the 2 major comments →
How Hard Can It Be? Hardness-Aware Multi-Objective Unlearning
The pith
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Core claim
From a constrained optimization perspective, the hardness of reconciling forget quality and retain utility is quantified by the similarity between forget data and retain data. The HAMU algorithm is derived to guarantee a specified improvement in forget quality while minimizing retain utility degradation by updating model weights according to this hardness measure. The same measure tells users when retain degradation is unavoidable and stopping should be considered. The algorithm applies to non-convex models and is easily parallelizable.
What carries the argument
A hardness measure based on similarity between forget and retain data inside a constrained optimization formulation that enforces a minimum forget-quality improvement.
Load-bearing premise
The hardness of reconciling forget quality and retain utility can be quantified by the similarity between the forget data and the retain data.
What would settle it
An experiment in which the similarity between forget and retain sets fails to predict the actual retain-utility cost needed to reach a target forget-quality level, or in which HAMU does not achieve the stated forget-quality guarantee on held-out test data.
If this is right
- HAMU guarantees a specified improvement in forget quality for given forget and retain data.
- It minimizes the retain utility degradation that occurs while meeting that guarantee.
- The algorithm applies directly to non-convex models such as deep neural networks.
- It is easily parallelizable and therefore suitable for large-scale deployment.
- It informs users when both objectives cannot be improved simultaneously so that unlearning can be halted.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The similarity-based hardness could be reused to rank which subsets of data are cheapest to unlearn first.
- The same constrained view might apply to other multi-objective settings such as fairness-accuracy trade-offs during fine-tuning.
- In production systems the early-stopping signal could be combined with differential-privacy budgets to decide when full retraining is preferable to unlearning.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper proposes HAMU, a hardness-aware multi-objective unlearning algorithm derived from a constrained-optimization perspective. Hardness of reconciling forget-quality and retain-utility objectives is quantified by similarity between forget and retain data; the algorithm updates model weights to guarantee a user-specified improvement in forget quality while minimizing retain degradation, and supplies a stopping criterion when simultaneous improvement is impossible. The method is claimed to apply to non-convex models, to be parallelizable, and to outperform baselines empirically on image and text datasets with large models.
Significance. If the claimed derivation and guarantee can be established, the work would supply the first explicit constrained-optimization treatment of the forget/retain trade-off in unlearning, together with a practical hardness-based stopping rule. The public code link is a clear strength for reproducibility. At present, however, the absence of any visible equations, proof outline, or experimental controls prevents assessment of whether these advantages are realized.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that HAMU is 'derived' from constrained optimization and 'guarantees a specified improvement in forget quality while minimizing the retain utility cost' is asserted without any equations, optimization formulation, or proof sketch. This derivation is load-bearing for the paper's contribution; its absence makes it impossible to verify whether the hardness measure (defined via forget/retain similarity) actually yields the stated guarantee or reduces to a fitted quantity.
- [Abstract] Abstract (first paragraph of contributions): the weakest assumption—that hardness of reconciling the two objectives 'can be quantified by the similarity between the forget data and the retain data'—is stated without a concrete definition, distance measure, or derivation showing how this similarity produces a non-circular guarantee. Because the guarantee is the paper's primary theoretical claim, this step must be made explicit and shown to be independent of the result it is meant to justify.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] The abstract states that the algorithm is 'easily parallelizable' and 'readily deployable,' yet provides no concrete description of the parallelization strategy or any complexity analysis.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the constructive comments on the theoretical presentation of HAMU. We respond point-by-point to the major comments below.
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that HAMU is 'derived' from constrained optimization and 'guarantees a specified improvement in forget quality while minimizing the retain utility cost' is asserted without any equations, optimization formulation, or proof sketch. This derivation is load-bearing for the paper's contribution; its absence makes it impossible to verify whether the hardness measure (defined via forget/retain similarity) actually yields the stated guarantee or reduces to a fitted quantity.
Authors: The referee correctly identifies that the abstract asserts the constrained-optimization derivation and guarantee without equations or a proof sketch. The submitted manuscript does not contain these elements. We will revise by adding an explicit optimization formulation, the hardness-based update rule, and a proof outline in the main text (new Section 3), and we will update the abstract to reference the key formulation. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (first paragraph of contributions): the weakest assumption—that hardness of reconciling the two objectives 'can be quantified by the similarity between the forget data and the retain data'—is stated without a concrete definition, distance measure, or derivation showing how this similarity produces a non-circular guarantee. Because the guarantee is the paper's primary theoretical claim, this step must be made explicit and shown to be independent of the result it is meant to justify.
Authors: We agree that the similarity-based hardness measure requires a concrete definition and non-circular derivation to support the guarantee. The current manuscript states the assumption at a high level without these details. In revision we will define the measure explicitly (e.g., cosine similarity on penultimate-layer activations), derive its relationship to the constrained objectives, and show independence from the final guarantee. revision: yes
- The submitted manuscript contains no equations, optimization formulation, or proof outline for the claimed constrained-optimization derivation.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity identified
full rationale
The paper presents HAMU as derived from a constrained-optimization formulation whose hardness measure is defined directly from forget/retain similarity; the abstract and contributions describe this as a first-principles identification followed by an algorithm that guarantees a specified forget-quality improvement at minimal retain cost. No equations, self-citations, or fitted parameters are shown that reduce the claimed guarantee or hardness measure back to a quantity defined by the same result. The derivation therefore remains self-contained against external benchmarks and does not exhibit any of the enumerated circularity patterns.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption The hardness of reconciling forget and retain objectives can be quantified by the similarity between the forget data and the retain data.
read the original abstract
Machine unlearning aims to remove the influence of specific forget training data due to privacy, copyright or bias concerns while maintaining the model performance on the remaining retain data. Existing unlearning algorithms, such as optimizing a weighted combination of losses, have tried to achieve these objectives of improving forget quality and maintaining retain utility. However, they do not guarantee that these objectives can be improved by a specified extent for all forget and retain data. In this work, we address this limitation with a novel and theoretically-grounded approach from a constrained optimization perspective. Firstly, we identify that the hardness of reconciling both objectives can be quantified by the similarity between the forget data and the retain data. Next, we derive an unlearning algorithm (HAMU) with the overall goal of guaranteeing a specified improvement in forget quality while minimizing the retain utility cost/degradation by updating the model weights based on our hardness measure. Our hardness measure also informs users when retain utility degradation is unavoidable, i.e., both objectives cannot be improved simultaneously, and stopping should be considered. Our algorithm is applicable to non-convex models and is easily parallelizable, making it readily deployable in real-world scenarios. We empirically demonstrate HAMU's superior performance over baselines on both image and text datasets using large models. Our code is available at https://github.com/aoi3142/HAMU.
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12 How Hard Can It Be? Hardness-Aware Multi-Objective Unlearning A. Related Work One common objective of machine unlearning is to approximate the retrained model (Georgiev et al., 2025; Nguyen et al., 2022), which is equivalent to minimizing the retain loss (Neel et al., 2021; Bourtoule et al., 2021). Another prevalent objective is to increase the forget ...
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Unlearning methods with theoretical guarantees (Guo et al., 2020; Ullah et al.,
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are largely heuristic-based and do not establish a formal connection between the proposed hardness measures and unlearning performance. B. Proofs and Derivations B.1. First-Order Loss Approximation For anyz r = (xr, yr)∈D r, applying Taylor expansion toL t+1(zr), we have Lt+1(zr) =L t(zr) + ∆w⊤∇Lt(zr) + 1 2∆w⊤H∆w | {z } E , whereEis the approximation erro...
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with randomly initialized weights. We used a fixed learning rate of 1e−3with the AdamW optimizer (Loshchilov & Hutter, 2019), batch size of5000and trained for50epochs. Every 5 epochs, we performed evaluation on the CIFAR-10 test set, which consists of10000samples across the10classes, and saved the checkpoint model weights. The final trained model was sele...
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No duplicate
by constructing different variations of the QA pairs of different levels of similarity, watermarked with the text watermarking scheme Waterfall (Lau et al., 2024). This dataset contains different splits, of which we used the watermarked “No duplicate” and “Semantic duplicate” splits for10% of the forget data. We refer to the settings using these two split...
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for a multi-GPU setup. During the data preparation step, we interleave the forget and retain samples into the unlearning dataset according to the batch size of each GPU, such that the dataloader would send forget samples to one half of the GPUs and retain sample to the other GPUs. During the backward pass, instead of simply aggregating the gradients from ...
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When the gradients do not change significantly between iterations, the step size taken by each weight update gradually increases
speed up the optimization process by incorporating the weight updates in previous iterations to the update in the current iteration. When the gradients do not change significantly between iterations, the step size taken by each weight update gradually increases. This speeds up the unlearning process, and the model is able to achieve a similar or better fo...
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We also include two additional baselines, Gradient Rectified Unlearn- ing (GRU) (Wang et al., 2025b) and Projecting Conflicting Gradients (PCGrad) (Yu et al., 2020)
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