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ScaleSweep: Accurate NVFP4 Post-Training Quantization of LLMs via Block Scale Initialization

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Pith's one-line read ScaleSweep sweeps bounded block-scale candidates to minimize MSE or WMSE and improve NVFP4 quantization accuracy for LLMs.

desk verdict ScaleSweep adds a bounded sweep over NVFP4 block scales that beats AbsMax on the reported models, but the per-tensor MSE/WMSE objective is not shown to be optimal once weights, activations, KV cache and queries are quantized together. read the letter →

arxiv 2606.07618 v1 pith:3LAQMMQV submitted 2026-05-30 cs.LG cs.AIcs.CV

Li Lin , Xiaojun Wan This is my paper
classification cs.LGcs.AIcs.CV
keywords NVFP4post-trainingquantizationlargelanguagemodelsblockscalesscaleinitializationmeansquareerror
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NVFP4 uses fine-grained block scales to raise the quality of 4-bit floating-point quantization, yet standard AbsMax initialization still leaves a gap to the best possible result. The paper introduces ScaleSweep, which tests a set of candidate scales for each block and keeps the one that produces the smallest reconstruction error under either plain or weighted mean square error. Theoretical lower and upper bounds are derived for the search interval so that the optimal scale is never missed while the number of trials stays small. On Llama and Qwen models the method raises end-to-end accuracy over prior initializers. When weights, activations, KV cache, and query states are all quantized together, more than 93 percent of full-precision performance is retained.

What carries the argument

ScaleSweep: a sweep over feasible block-scale candidates that selects the value minimizing MSE or WMSE, made efficient by derived lower and upper bounds on the scale range.

What would settle it

A measured case in which a scale lying outside the derived bounds yields lower end-to-end model error than every scale inside the bounds.

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Core claim

ScaleSweep is a scale optimization method that sweeps feasible block scale candidates and selects the candidate that minimizes a target objective. We further provide a theoretical analysis of NVFP4 quantization and derive both lower and upper bounds for the required sweep range under mean square error (MSE) and weighted mean square error (WMSE) between the original tensor and the quantized reconstructed tensor. The proposed bounds substantially reduce the sweep space while preserving the optimal candidate, enabling negligible overhead compared with the baseline quantization operators.

Load-bearing premise

The block scale that minimizes per-tensor MSE or WMSE will also produce the highest accuracy once every component of the model has been quantized.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • ScaleSweep raises quantized accuracy above AbsMax initialization on Llama and Qwen models.
  • The method narrows the remaining gap to full-precision performance under end-to-end 4-bit quantization.
  • More than 93 percent of original model performance is retained when weights, activations, KV cache, and query states are quantized together.
  • The derived bounds keep added runtime cost negligible relative to standard quantization operators.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Local per-block reconstruction error serves as a workable proxy for global model quality after quantization.
  • The bounding technique may be reused to shrink search costs when selecting scales in other fine-grained low-bit formats.
  • Coordinated optimization of scales across multiple tensor types (weights, activations, cache) can improve results when all are quantized at once.
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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript introduces ScaleSweep, a post-training method for NVFP4 quantization of LLMs. For each block it sweeps a reduced set of scale candidates (bounded via a theoretical analysis of per-tensor MSE and WMSE) and retains the candidate that minimizes the chosen objective. The bounds are claimed to contain the per-tensor optimum while keeping overhead negligible. Experiments on Llama and Qwen models report consistent gains over AbsMax-style initialization and, under simultaneous quantization of weights, activations, KV cache and query states, retention of more than 93 % of full-precision performance.

Significance. If the reported end-to-end gains are reproducible and the per-tensor proxy is shown to be sufficient, the work supplies a practical, low-overhead improvement to a hardware-supported 4-bit format that narrows the accuracy gap for large models. The explicit derivation of sweep bounds is a methodological strength.

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  1. [Abstract and Experiments] Abstract and Experiments: The central performance claim (>93 % retention under joint quantization of four tensor types) rests on the unverified assumption that the scale minimizing isolated per-tensor MSE/WMSE also minimizes (or nearly minimizes) the end-to-end loss once quantization errors from weights, activations, KV cache and query states interact across layers. The bounds and objective are derived only for per-tensor reconstruction; no argument or ablation demonstrates that these locally optimal scales remain near-global optima, and experiments compare solely against AbsMax rather than against any end-to-end objective.

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We thank the referee for the constructive feedback highlighting the distinction between per-tensor and end-to-end objectives. We respond to the major comment below.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract and Experiments] Abstract and Experiments: The central performance claim (>93 % retention under joint quantization of four tensor types) rests on the unverified assumption that the scale minimizing isolated per-tensor MSE/WMSE also minimizes (or nearly minimizes) the end-to-end loss once quantization errors from weights, activations, KV cache and query states interact across layers. The bounds and objective are derived only for per-tensor reconstruction; no argument or ablation demonstrates that these locally optimal scales remain near-global optima, and experiments compare solely against AbsMax rather than against any end-to-end objective.

    Authors: We agree that ScaleSweep optimizes a per-tensor reconstruction objective (MSE or WMSE) and that the manuscript provides neither a theoretical argument nor an ablation showing these local choices remain near-optimal once errors interact across layers and tensor types. The bounds are derived strictly for the isolated per-tensor case. An end-to-end objective would require back-propagation through the full model and all quantization operators, which is computationally prohibitive for the LLMs considered and inconsistent with the goal of a negligible-overhead post-training initializer. Prior quantization work has likewise relied on per-tensor proxies for the same practicality reasons. Our experiments demonstrate that the resulting scales, when applied jointly to weights, activations, KV cache and query states, consistently outperform the AbsMax baseline and retain >93 % of full-precision accuracy; this supplies empirical support for the proxy but does not constitute a proof of global optimality. We compare only against AbsMax because it is the de-facto initialization in NVFP4 hardware flows; constructing and evaluating an end-to-end baseline lies outside the scope of the present contribution. In revision we will add a short discussion in the experiments section clarifying the proxy nature of the objective and the empirical nature of the end-to-end claims. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No circularity: explicit search over objective with derived bounds

full rationale

The paper presents ScaleSweep as a direct sweep over scale candidates chosen to minimize the explicitly stated per-tensor MSE or WMSE objective, with theoretical bounds derived solely to contain that same optimum. This procedure is self-contained computation against the given loss; it does not reduce any claimed result to a fitted parameter, self-citation, or renamed input. No load-bearing step equates a prediction to its own construction. The end-to-end accuracy claims are empirical comparisons, not derivations.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 1 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The method rests on the domain assumption that per-block MSE/WMSE minimization is a good proxy for end-to-end performance; no explicit free parameters or new entities are introduced in the abstract.

assumptions (1)
  • domain assumption Minimizing MSE or WMSE between original and quantized tensor yields the best block scale for downstream model quality
    This objective is used to select the winning scale candidate.

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NVFP4 is a recently introduced hardware-supported FP4 format that improves the fidelity of 4-bit quantization through fine-grained block scales. However, existing NVFP4 scale initialization methods still primarily rely on AbsMax initialization, which leaves a noticeable gap to the optimal solution. To address this, we propose ScaleSweep, a simple and efficient scale optimization method that sweeps over feasible block scale candidates and selects the candidate that minimizes a target objective. We further provide a theoretical analysis of NVFP4 quantization and derive both lower and upper bounds for the required sweep range under mean square error (MSE) and weighted mean square error (WMSE) between the original tensor and the quantized reconstructed tensor. The proposed bounds substantially reduce the sweep space while preserving the optimal candidate, enabling negligible overhead compared with the baseline quantization operators. Experiments on Llama and Qwen models demonstrate that ScaleSweep consistently improves quantization performance over existing initialization methods and further narrows the gap to full precision. In particular, under aggressive end-to-end quantization of weights, activations, KV cache, and query states, ScaleSweep preserves more than 93% of the full-precision performance.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.07618 by the authors.

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Figure 1. Normalized MSE and WMSE, together with their relative gaps to the optimal FP32 block scale, between [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Normalized MSE between the original ten [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Heatmaps of ScaleSweep under differ￾ent lower and upper bounds in the bit-pattern space for the MSE and WMSE objectives. MSE[l, r] and WMSE[l, r] denote ScaleSweep on Llama-3.1-8B￾Instruct using the MSE and WMSE objectives, respec￾tively, with bit-pattern sweep bounds set to [l, r]. tion baselines, we compare against AbsMax and 4/6 (Cook et al., 2026). Additional implementation details are provided in Appendix D. 5.… view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Performance gap (%) of ScaleSweep, initialization baselines, and FP8-quantized optimal FP32 scales [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_4.png]
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Figure 5. Figure 5: NVFP4 quantization operator latency compar [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_5.png]
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Performance gap (%) of ScaleSweep, initialization baselines, and FP8-quantized optimal FP32 scales [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_6.png]

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