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Three optical clock frequency ratios measured to below 3.2 × 10^-18, meeting a milestone precision for redefining the SI second.
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load-bearing objection Careful, state-of-the-art measurement whose quoted sub-3.2e-18 uncertainties rest on a no-constant-bias assumption that the 14-sigma Sr discrepancy makes doubtful. the 3 major comments →
Atomic clock frequency ratios with fractional uncertainty leq 3.2 times 10⁻¹⁸
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
On the paper's own terms: with all three clocks running simultaneously from January to March 2025, the collaboration measured the three ratios given in Eq. (1), with total fractional uncertainties of 2.2 × 10^-18 (Al+/Sr), 3.2 × 10^-18 (Al+/Yb), and 3.1 × 10^-18 (Yb/Sr). The Yb/Sr ratio instability reached 1.3 × 10^-16 at one second, and the Al+-involving ratios are limited by single-ion quantum projection noise at 3.9 × 10^-16; the common silicon-cavity reference reduces averaging time by roughly an order of magnitude compared with the previous campaign. The paper reports a 14-standard-deviation shift in the two ratios involving strontium relative to the 2021 values, corresponding to about
What carries the argument
The central mechanism is a phase-stabilized optical distribution network: a 1542 nm laser locked to a cryogenic single-crystal silicon cavity at one laboratory is sent over a 3.6 km fiber to the other laboratory, where it phase-locks each clock laser via frequency combs; a hydrogen-maser RF signal is multiplexed on the same fiber for a common microwave reference. This common reference suppresses the Dick effect and quantum projection noise, lowering the instability floor. The validity of the network is established by a loopback test that sends the silicon-cavity light to the second laboratory, uses it to lock a second comb, returns a 1397 nm laser, and compares the frequency-doubled light (6
Load-bearing premise
The analysis stands on the assumption that the new campaign's measurements are free of any unknown systematic bias — if a hidden offset affected the new data, the quoted sub-3.2 × 10^-18 uncertainties and the implied 1 × 10^-16 strontium revision are not reliable.
What would settle it
An independent measurement of these three ratios by a different laboratory, ideally using a different ultrastable reference and a different network path (or a satellite link), would settle the central claim: if it reproduces the new values, the 2021 campaign was biased; if it reproduces the 2021 values, the new campaign carries the hidden offset. A simpler first test is a direct optical comparison of a distant, independently evaluated strontium clock against the same aluminum-ion clock, without the shared fiber network.
If this is right
- The three ratio values in Eq. (1) are, to the authors' knowledge, the most precise direct optical clock ratios published, with total fractional uncertainties of 2.2, 3.2, and 3.1 × 10^-18.
- The measured precision meets the ≤5 × 10^-18 criterion identified by the community as a milestone for deciding whether to redefine the SI second.
- The common silicon-cavity reference lowers the instability of the Yb/Sr ratio to 1.3 × 10^-16/√τ and of the Al+ ratios to 3.9 × 10^-16/√τ, a factor-of-3 improvement that cuts the time needed to reach a given statistical uncertainty by roughly a factor of ten.
- The strontium-containing ratios imply the strontium clock frequency should be revised by about 1 × 10^-16 relative to the 2021 values; this revision would bring the measured ratios into agreement with the new data.
- The Yb/Sr excess scatter (χ²_red = 6.4) shows that uncharacterized shifts remain in at least one lattice clock, and the paper states that repeatability below 1 × 10^-17 remains an outstanding issue for the redefinition effort.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If the ~1 × 10^-16 strontium revision is confirmed by an independent group, the prior 2021 strontium evaluation most likely contained an unaccounted shift (e.g., in the blackbody radiation correction), rather than the new network; the revised value would become the de facto standard for strontium-based chronometric leveling and searches for time-variation of fundamental constants.
- The 14σ disagreement between two campaigns that both claim sub-1 × 10^-17 accuracy is itself evidence that at least one of the two error budgets is incomplete; the paper's dark-uncertainty model absorbs day-to-day scatter but cannot absorb a constant offset, so the discrepancy cannot be resolved by re-weighting the data.
- A testable extension: run one of the lattice clocks against two independent silicon cavities (or against a distant clock via satellite link) to separate network-origin from atom-origin offsets; the loopback used here covers only the two-laboratory fiber path.
- The three-clocks-simultaneously design is the seed of a network-level metrology: with three-cornered hat analysis the paper already isolates per-clock stabilities, and with a multi-ion Al+ clock the same network could directly target the Yb/Sr between-day scatter.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript reports direct optical frequency ratio measurements between the 27Al+, 171Yb, and 87Sr clocks in the Boulder network, carried out on 13 days between January and March 2025. Using a cryogenic silicon cavity as a common reference distributed over a 3.6 km fiber link, the authors achieve fractional instabilities of a few times 10^-16/sqrt(τ) and quote total fractional uncertainties of 2.2×10^-18 (Al+/Sr), 3.2×10^-18 (Al+/Yb), and 3.1×10^-18 (Yb/Sr) after Bayesian aggregation. The paper emphasizes that this meets a 5×10^-18 roadmap milestone for the SI second, while also reporting large discrepancies with the BACON21 results, especially in the Sr-containing ratios (~1×10^-16, about 14σ). Extensive modulation tests, a new end-to-end network loopback, and multi-ratio analytics are presented to support the accuracy of the campaign.
Significance. If the quoted uncertainties are taken at face value, these are the most precise direct optical clock ratios yet reported and are relevant to the SI second redefinition process. The paper is notable for its transparency: it states the discrepancies with prior work, gives the full Bayesian model, reports alternative statistics, and includes modulation tests of several large systematic effects. The loopback measurement bounding the network at 0.9(1.6)×10^-19, the in-situ correction validations, and the three-cornered-hat analysis are commendable and strengthen the case that no single known systematic at the 10^-17 level is unaccounted for. However, the central claim of sub-3.2×10^-18 uncertainty is conditional on an unproven premise—the absence of any unknown constant systematic bias—and the unresolved 14σ Sr discrepancy makes this premise load-bearing rather than cosmetic.
major comments (3)
- [Supplement C, Comprehensive Bayesian model] The model encodes the assumption, explicitly stated in Supplement C, that 'the measurements themselves are free from any unknown systematic bias.' The systematic corrections are central (α,β,γ ~ N(0,1)) and the day-to-day dark-uncertainty terms are zero-mean (λ ~ N(0,ξ^2)). Such terms can inflate the reported uncertainty but cannot absorb a constant, campaign-wide offset. Given the ~1×10^-16 (14σ) discrepancy in both Sr-containing ratios, a constant bias in the present campaign is a viable explanation of the data. The abstract's statement that these measurements 'meet an important milestone criterion for redefinition of the second' therefore overstates the robustness of Eqs. (1). Please either add a global-offset parameter with a sensitivity analysis, or explicitly qualify the abstract and conclusion so that the quoted uncertainties are described as conditional on no uncharacterized comm
- [Main text, Discussion and Conclusion] The statement that 'all known systematic effects that shift any of the three clocks by 10^-17 or more have been tested' supports the individual corrections, but the discrepancy is an order of magnitude larger than the quoted uncertainties. The modulation tests cover known effects; they do not, and cannot, rule out a combination of smaller unknown effects or a single effect not included in the model. The conclusion already notes that repeatability below 10^-17 remains outstanding, but this caveat appears only after the central claims. Please add an explicit paragraph stating that the unresolved discrepancy could reside in the present campaign and discussing the consequences for the SI-redefinition roadmap. The accompanying Bayesian model should also be applied with a constant-offset scenario so readers can see how the quoted uncertainties change under that assumption.
- [Measurement results; Supplement C, dark uncertainty] The Yb/Sr ratio has χ2_red = 6.4, with between-day variability of 3.3(9)×10^-18. The Bayesian model accounts for this through zero-mean random effects (ξ). For 13 daily points, a time-correlated drift in the Yb/Sr residuals—for example from a slow environmental change or an operational parameter that evolves over the campaign—could bias the mean without violating the zero-mean assumption. Please report the daily residuals as a function of date, check for autocorrelation, and include a sensitivity test with a linear trend or an AR(1) term in the dark-uncertainty model. This directly affects the central value of Yb/Sr and the claimed 3.1×10^-18 uncertainty.
minor comments (2)
- [Main text, loopback description] The sentence in the Discussion says the loopback test evaluates 'every element from Si cavity to 87Sr atoms,' but the description shows the 698 nm comparison is made against the 87Sr clock laser 'picked off just before the atoms.' This is an overstatement; the loopback validates the network and laser delivery up to the atoms, not the atom-light interaction. Please rephrase to reflect the actual measurement point.
- [Fig. 2 caption] The caption refers to 'color filled points' and colored shaded regions but does not identify which color corresponds to which ratio. Please add a legend or explicit color definitions so the lower panel is interpretable.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the reported ratios are direct measurements; the self-citations are for comparison and modeling, not inputs that force the answer.
full rationale
The central claim is a set of measured frequency ratios (Eqs. 1), obtained by direct point-by-point division of clock frequencies from three simultaneously operated optical clocks, not by a model that presupposes the reported values. The Bayesian aggregation is fully described in Supplement C: observed daily ratios are modeled as centered on true ratios, with systematic corrections entering as a_i*alpha with alpha ~ N(0,1) and day-level 'dark uncertainty' lambda terms that are zero-mean. The priors for each mu are N(0, 10^-14), which is broad compared to the 10^-18 scale of the quoted uncertainties, and the paper states 'the result is not sensitive to the choice of prior distribution.' The reuse of the authors' earlier work is limited to the hierarchical model structure from BACON21 [11] and to BACON21/CIPM values used as comparison references; these are not data used to construct the new ratios. The retroactive adjustment of BACON21 values using updated Yb/Sr coefficients (footnote [37]) is a reanalysis of the old dataset and is not load-bearing for the new measurements, since the 1.5e-18 and 7.3e-18 shifts are far smaller than the ~1e-16 discrepancy discussed. The paper explicitly flags its main limitation in Supplement C: 'all models here incorporating dark uncertainty or between-day variability assume that this variability affects every measurement equally and that the measurements themselves are free from any unknown systematic bias.' This is an external-validity or correctness caveat, not a circularity: the ratios are independently measured, the network loopback gives an independent 0.9(1.6)e-19 bound, and the systematic modulations are direct experimental checks. No derivation step reduces to its own input or to a self-citation chain.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (3)
- Dark uncertainty xi for each clock =
xi_Al = 2.3(1.7), xi_Yb = 2.0(1.2), xi_Sr = 2.2(1.2) (x10^-18)
- Yb lattice light-shift parameters nu_E1 and beta =
nu_E1 = 394798263.8(1.5) MHz, beta = -1.2(2)x10^-21
- Bayesian hyperpriors for xi and mu =
xi prior: truncated normal mean 5e-15, std 1e-14; mu prior std 1e-14
axioms (6)
- domain assumption No unknown systematic bias in the current measurement campaign.
- domain assumption The end-to-end loopback (Si cavity to NIST comb, back to JILA at 698 nm) is an upper bound on network error and instability.
- domain assumption White frequency noise after the 100 s servo attack time and Allan deviation extrapolation give the daily statistical uncertainty.
- domain assumption NGS survey marker heights and their stability determine gravitational redshift between the clocks.
- domain assumption Atomic coefficients (BBR, lattice polarizabilities, etc.) from prior literature are correct.
- standard math Frequency comb measurement equation nu = m(n f_rep + f0 + f_b) + f_os with maser-referenced counters holds for all clocks.
read the original abstract
We report high-precision frequency ratio measurements between optical atomic clocks based on $^{27}$Al$^+$, $^{171}$Yb, and $^{87}$Sr. With total fractional uncertainties at or below $3.2 \times 10^{-18}$, these measurements meet an important milestone criterion for redefinition of the second in the International System of Units. Discrepancies in $^{87}$Sr ratios at approximately $1\times10^{-16}$ and the Al$^+$/Yb ratio at $1.6\times10^{-17}$ in fractional units compared to our previous measurements underscore the importance of repeated, high-precision comparisons by different laboratories. A key innovation in this work is the use of a common ultrastable reference delivered to all clocks via a 3.6 km phase-stabilized fiber link between two institutions. Derived from a cryogenic single-crystal silicon cavity, this reference improves comparison stability by a factor of 2 to 3 over previous systems, with an optical lattice clock ratio achieving a fractional instability of $1.3 \times 10^{-16}$ at 1 second. By enabling faster comparisons, this stability will improve sensitivity to non-white noise processes and other underlying limits of state-of-the-art optical frequency standards.
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