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arxiv: 1907.00238 · v2 · pith:AFVNJ4VMnew · submitted 2019-06-29 · ⚛️ physics.chem-ph · cond-mat.soft· physics.bio-ph

System size dependence of hydration shell occupancy

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classification ⚛️ physics.chem-ph cond-mat.softphysics.bio-ph
keywords system size dependencehydration shellquasichemical theoryhydrophilic contributionhydrophobic contributionfree energymolecular simulation
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Evacuation free energies of hydration shells depend on system size

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The paper finds that the free energy required to evacuate the first hydration shell around a solute or a cavity changes with the size of the simulation system. Analysis through quasichemical theory reveals that both the hydrophilic and hydrophobic contributions decrease as the system size increases. This size dependence persists even though the net hydration free energy benefits from some cancellation between the two contributions. The result implies that large simulation systems are needed to properly account for solvent effects on macromolecules.

Core claim

The free energies to evacuate the first hydration shell around a solute and a cavity defined by the first hydration shell depend on the system size. This observation interpreted within the quasichemical theory shows that both the hydrophilic and the hydrophobic contributions to hydration depend on the system size, decreasing with increasing system size. Although the net hydration free energy benefits somewhat from the balancing of hydrophilic and hydrophobic contributions, a large system still appears necessary to describe the effect of the solvent on the macromolecule.

What carries the argument

Quasichemical theory decomposition of system-size dependent evacuation free energies into hydrophilic and hydrophobic terms

Load-bearing premise

The quasichemical theory framework correctly decomposes the observed system-size dependence of the evacuation free energies into separate hydrophilic and hydrophobic terms without additional fitting or assumptions about the underlying simulation data.

What would settle it

A simulation in which the free energies to evacuate the first hydration shell remain unchanged when the system size is increased would falsify the claimed dependence.

read the original abstract

The free energies to evacuate the first hydration shell around a solute and a cavity defined by the first hydration shell depend on the system size. This observation interpreted within the quasichemical theory shows that both the hydrophilic and the hydrophobic contributions to hydration depend on the system size, decreasing with increasing system size. Although the net hydration free energy benefits somewhat from the balancing of hydrophilic and hydrophobic contributions, a large system still appears necessary to describe the effect of the solvent on the macromolecule.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper claims that the free energies required to evacuate the first hydration shell around a solute and around a cavity (defined by that shell) both depend on system size. When these evacuation free energies are interpreted within quasichemical theory by assigning the cavity term to the hydrophobic contribution and the difference to the hydrophilic contribution, both contributions are found to decrease with increasing system size. The net hydration free energy shows partial cancellation between the two, yet the work concludes that large systems remain necessary to capture solvent effects on macromolecules.

Significance. If the decomposition is robust, the result would indicate that finite-size effects must be considered when separating hydrophilic and hydrophobic hydration contributions, with implications for the accuracy of simulations involving macromolecules. The direct observation of size dependence in the two evacuation free energies is a concrete finding that could be tested further.

major comments (2)
  1. [Methods (or equivalent)] The manuscript provides no details on simulation protocols, error analysis, or data handling for the reported evacuation free energies. Without these, it is impossible to determine whether the observed system-size dependence is free of artifacts from equilibration, sampling, or long-range interactions.
  2. [Quasichemical decomposition section] The central decomposition assigns the cavity-shell evacuation free energy to the hydrophobic term and the difference to the hydrophilic term within quasichemical theory. No explicit finite-size corrections are inserted into the quasichemical expressions before the subtraction; any differential periodic-image or electrostatic artifact between the charged solute and neutral cavity would therefore be mis-attributed to intrinsic hydrophilic or hydrophobic size dependence.
minor comments (2)
  1. Define the precise geometric criteria used to identify the first hydration shell for both the solute and the cavity in the main text rather than relying solely on supplementary material.
  2. Add a brief statement on whether the quasichemical parameters were taken from prior literature or re-derived for the present systems.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive comments on our manuscript. We respond point by point to the major comments below.

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  1. Referee: [Methods (or equivalent)] The manuscript provides no details on simulation protocols, error analysis, or data handling for the reported evacuation free energies. Without these, it is impossible to determine whether the observed system-size dependence is free of artifacts from equilibration, sampling, or long-range interactions.

    Authors: We agree that the original manuscript lacked a dedicated Methods section with these details. In the revised version we will add a complete description of the molecular dynamics protocols, including force fields, system preparation, equilibration and sampling times, the free-energy method used to compute the evacuation free energies, error analysis (block averaging or bootstrap), and treatment of long-range electrostatic and dispersion interactions. This addition will allow readers to evaluate possible artifacts. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Quasichemical decomposition section] The central decomposition assigns the cavity-shell evacuation free energy to the hydrophobic term and the difference to the hydrophilic term within quasichemical theory. No explicit finite-size corrections are inserted into the quasichemical expressions before the subtraction; any differential periodic-image or electrostatic artifact between the charged solute and neutral cavity would therefore be mis-attributed to intrinsic hydrophilic or hydrophobic size dependence.

    Authors: The decomposition follows the standard quasichemical expressions without inserted finite-size corrections, as is conventional in the literature. We acknowledge that differential artifacts between the solute and cavity could in principle affect the attributed terms. The revised manuscript will include an expanded discussion of this possibility, supported by symmetry arguments and any available checks (e.g., neutral-solute comparisons), to clarify that the reported trends are not dominated by such artifacts. We remain open to incorporating explicit corrections if a consistent scheme can be identified. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; derivation applies established theory to new simulation data

full rationale

The paper's core observation is the system-size dependence of two evacuation free energies obtained from simulations. These are then interpreted using quasichemical theory to separate hydrophilic and hydrophobic contributions. No equations or steps in the provided text reduce a claimed prediction to a fitted parameter or self-citation by construction; the decomposition follows from applying an external theoretical framework to independent simulation results. The central claim therefore retains independent empirical content and does not collapse to its inputs.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

No specific free parameters, axioms, or invented entities can be identified from the abstract alone.

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