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For ballistic quenches from charge-symmetric states, multi-time charge correlations collapse to a single-time correlation at the earliest time.

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load-bearing objection Time-shell factorization of multi-time charge correlators is a real and useful result, but the general interacting claim is conditional on an unproved clustering/additivity assumption and is overstated in the abstract and introduction. the 3 major comments →

arxiv 2607.19208 v1 pith:EXEHUURU submitted 2026-07-21 cond-mat.stat-mech quant-ph

Dynamical correlation functions of extensive charges after global quantum quenches

Riccardo Travaglino , Katja Klobas , Bruno Bertini , Pasquale Calabrese This is my paper
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keywords quantum quenchfull counting statisticsspace-time dualityballistic transportdynamical correlation functionsintegrable systemsRule 54XXZ chain
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This paper tries to establish that, after a quantum quench from a charge-symmetric state, all time-ordered connected correlation functions of a subsystem's conserved charge depend only on the smallest time at which the charge is measured, in the limit of large subsystem size. If true, the entire multi-time full counting statistics acquires a time-shell structure, collapsing to a sum of single-time contributions. The authors derive this via a quasiparticle picture for free fermions and via space-time duality for interacting integrable models, supporting it with exact results in Rule 54 and numerical tests in the XXZ chain. A sympathetic reader would care because it drastically simplifies the description of charge fluctuations out of equilibrium and suggests a universal feature of ballistic transport.

Core claim

The central claim is Eq. (1): for quenches from states that are eigenstates of a global U(1) charge, in systems with ballistic transport, the connected time-ordered correlation of the truncated charge satisfies <T Q_A(t_n)...Q_A(t_1)>_c = <Q_A^n(min_i t_i)>_c in the large-subsystem limit. This is a time-shell structure: only the earliest time matters. The paper proves this exactly for free fermions, obtains it through space-time duality for interacting integrable models, verifies it exactly in the interacting cellular automaton Rule 54, and provides a conjectured TBA expression verified numerically in the XXZ chain.

What carries the argument

Space-time duality, which maps the non-equilibrium time evolution to the stationary properties of a dual system with space and time swapped. The crucial object is the dual stationary state rho~_st and the additivity assumption that time-extensive dual charges contribute additively when the time intervals are large compared to microscopic scales. This factorization into time shells is what yields Eq. (1).

Load-bearing premise

The dual stationary state after the space-time swap must have short-range correlations in time—specifically, current correlations decaying faster than 1/|t-t'|—so that cross-time-shell cumulants are subleading; otherwise the time-shell factorization and Eq. (1) break down.

What would settle it

Measure the connected three-time correlator <Q_A(t3)Q_A(t2)Q_A(t1)>_c for a charge-symmetric quench in a ballistic system. Eq. (1) predicts it equals <Q_A^3(t1)>_c, which vanishes for particle-hole symmetric states (e.g., quenches from the Néel state). A non-vanishing value at large subsystem size would disprove the claim. Alternatively, in a diffusive system such as the XXZ chain with Delta > 1, the difference <Q_A(t2)Q_A(t1)>_c - <Q_A^2(t1)>_c should remain nonzero; observing it vanish would indicate the phenomenon extends beyond ballistic transport, contradicting the paper's stated scope.

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If this is right

  • The n-time FCS factorises into a sum of single-time FCS contributions, making multi-time charge statistics computable from single-time results.
  • Time-ordered n-point functions of truncated charges depend only on the earliest measurement time, for any n.
  • Charge increments between two times are uncorrelated with the charge at the earlier time, a Markov-like property in the large-subsystem limit.
  • The result is expected to hold in any ballistic system, including chaotic ones with ballistic transport, not just integrable models.
  • Exact verification in Rule 54 and numerical confirmation in the XXZ chain establish the result in interacting settings.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If correct, this implies that in ballistic quantum simulators measuring charge at multiple times yields no additional information beyond the first measurement; this could be tested directly with trapped ions or superconducting qubits.
  • The time-shell structure may extend to correlations of currents or to other conserved charges, though the paper does not address these; the same duality argument might carry over.
  • A sharp test is to probe the same correlators in a diffusive system (e.g., gapped XXZ); the equality should fail, exposing when multi-time correlations genuinely matter.
  • The assumption of short-range temporal correlations in the dual state is the main vulnerability; if violated, Eq. (1) could break even in ballistic systems, so identifying its precise scope is a natural next step.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper studies the n-time cumulant generating function (n-FCS) of an extensive U(1) charge after a global quench from a charge-symmetric initial state. The central claim, Eq. (1), is that in the large-subsystem limit of ballistic systems the connected time-ordered correlator of the truncated charge depends only on the earliest time, reducing to the single-time n-th cumulant. The authors derive this exactly for free fermions using the quasiparticle picture, propose a general space-time duality argument, obtain an exact matrix-product expression for the interacting Rule 54 cellular automaton that reduces to time-shell form when time separations are large, conjecture a TBA expression for generic integrable models, and provide numerical support in the XX and XXZ chains.

Significance. If correct in its appropriately qualified form, the result is a striking simplification: multi-time charge fluctuations would be completely determined by single-time FCS. The free-fermion derivation in §III and Appendix A is explicit and exact in the hydrodynamic scaling limit, and the numerical free-fermion data are consistent. The exact Rule 54 matrix-product expression in §V is a nontrivial exact result for an interacting model, and the XXZ numerics support the asymptotic time-shell form. These concrete results make the paper valuable even though the fully general statement remains conditional.

major comments (3)
  1. [§IV, Eq. (19)] The step from the exact dual representation (17) to the time-shell factorization (19) rests on an unproven additivity assumption. The text itself warns that 'the linearity of extensive quantities needs to be independently justified'. The sufficient condition (26) controls only the two-point current cross-cumulant; for n>2 the factorization also requires all higher-order cross-cumulants between adjacent time shells to be sublinear, and no argument is supplied for them. Since (19) essentially encodes the time-shell structure, the general interacting derivation does not by itself establish Eq. (1). Please either prove the required clustering/additivity from the dynamics or state the general result as conditional on that assumption.
  2. [§V, Eqs. (35) and (40)] The exact Rule 54 result is a matrix product (35), and its reduction to the time-shell form (40) is explicitly asymptotic in the time intervals Δt_j. For finite Δt_j the exact matrix product retains dependence on later times, and the correction O((n+1)(Δt_j)^0) in (40) is not controlled by taking the subsystem size large. Thus even the exact interacting calculation supports only a large-time-separation version of Eq. (1), not the unqualified statement in the abstract and introduction. The main claim should be reformulated to include this qualification.
  3. [§VI, Eqs. (47)–(50)] The TBA expression (47) is explicitly labeled a conjecture, and the numerical validation covers only the 2-FCS/2-point function for Δ=0.5 and moderate times (ℓ_A=40, t_2≲18). This is reasonable supporting evidence, but it does not extend the proof beyond free fermions and Rule 54. The conclusions should make clear that for generic Bethe-ansatz integrable models the time-shell factorization is a conjecture, not an established result.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Eq. (41)] In the definition of \barβ_j, the index in β_j is written as j while the sum runs over l; this should read β_l.
  2. [Eq. (9)] The Heaviside function uses strict inequality at t=t_j; the time-shell assignment at the boundaries should be specified, though it does not affect the final result.
  3. [Appendix A, Eqs. (A6)–(A9)] The 'straightforward algebra' linking the discrete sum over quasiparticle contributions to the integral form (8) would benefit from an intermediate step; the free-fermion derivation is otherwise clear.
  4. [Appendix B, Eq. (B22)–(B24)] The local algebraic relations for the fixed-point tensors are stated without derivation. Since they are central to the exact Rule 54 calculation, a brief explanation or reference would improve verifiability.
  5. [Figs. 2 and 3] The dashed lines are described as the single-time prediction; the figure captions could state more explicitly that the comparison is with [Q_A^2(t_1)]_c in Fig. 2 and [Q_A^4(t_1)]_c in Fig. 3.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the central claim is supported by independent exact free-fermion and Rule 54 derivations, though the general interacting argument rests on an explicitly acknowledged additivity assumption.

full rationale

The paper's central Eq. (1) is not obtained by fitting a parameter and then calling it a prediction. For free fermions, Sec. III derives the n-time FCS from the quasiparticle picture and obtains the time-shell form explicitly (Eqs. (8)-(14)); the numerical free-fermion checks are independent correlation-matrix calculations. For Rule 54, Sec. V gives an exact matrix-product expression (Eq. (35)/B21) and then shows the asymptotic reduction to the time-shell form (Eq. (40)). The general interacting derivation in Sec. IV is explicitly conditional: the passage from the exact rewriting (17) to the factorized form (19) assumes additivity of time-extensive observables in the dual state. The text itself flags this: 'We remark, however, that the dual stationary state rho~_st is not guaranteed to have these properties, and the linearity of extensive quantities needs to be independently justified.' This is an unproven assumption and a gap in the interacting proof, but it is not a hidden circular step because it is openly stated and the result is also checked in independent settings. Similarly, the TBA expression (47) is labelled a conjecture ('we can make the following conjecture'), and the numerical XXZ comparison uses the single-time FCS from Ref. [55] as an external value, not as a fitted input. The Rule 54 exact result only proves the time-shell form for large Delta t_j, so the unqualified statement of Eq. (1) in the abstract overreaches the interacting proof; this is a scope/correctness concern, not circularity. The many self-citations (Refs. [35,53,55,56,82,99-102]) are used as tools or prior exact results, but the load-bearing derivations for the central claim are written out and numerically verified in this paper. Overall, no circular reduction of the prediction to its inputs is present.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 5 axioms · 0 invented entities

The paper introduces no fitted free parameters: θ_k, ϑ, and TBA occupation functions are fixed by the initial state. Its general claim instead rests on the dual-state clustering assumption and an (explicitly conjectural) TBA formula, both ad hoc to this paper.

axioms (5)
  • ad hoc to paper Dual stationary state rho~_st has short-range correlations in time (Eq. (26)) and cross-shell charge cumulants are subleading.
    Introduced in Sec. IV to pass from exact rewriting (17) to time-shell factorization (19); authors note it must be independently justified. It is the main unproven premise for general ballistic systems.
  • domain assumption Space-time duality: evolution can be re-expressed in the crossed channel with topological charge lines, valid for subsystem size much larger than time and bounded maximal velocity.
    Used in Sec. IV and Eq. (17); relies on Lieb-Robinson bound and factorization into edge contributions, building on Refs. [53,55,56,82].
  • ad hoc to paper TBA conjecture (Eq. (47)): the time-swapped charge generating function is given by the stationary FCS with energy/momentum exchanged.
    Stated as a conjecture in Sec. VI; no derivation given. It is the basis for the general integrable formula (50).
  • domain assumption Quasiparticle-pair decomposition of symmetric initial states and ballistic coarse-grained motion (App. A, Eqs. (A1)-(A5)).
    Leading-order 1/Delta approximation in the free-fermion derivation; subleading corrections are ignored.
  • domain assumption TEBD/Trotter numerics in XXZ: discretization error δt^3 and bond truncations are small enough not to affect the observed asymptotic slopes.
    App. C2 uses second-order Trotter with δt=0.01-0.1 and bond dimensions up to 2048/512, but no error bars or convergence extrapolation are reported.

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We investigate the $n$-time cumulant generating function (or $n$-Full Counting Statistics, $n$-FCS) of extensive $U(1)$ charges following a quantum quench. Exploiting space-time duality we characterise this function when evolving from initial states that are symmetric under the action of the charge. In particular, we show that if the correlations in time are sufficiently weak, e.g.\ the transport is ballistic, the $n$-FCS factorises into a sum of single-time FCS arranged in a time-shell structure. A direct implication of this structure is a drastic simplification of dynamical correlation functions: in the presence of time ordering they only depend on the smallest time entering the correlator. We support these findings with several analytical and numerical tests performed in free and interacting models.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2607.19208 by Bruno Bertini, Katja Klobas, Pasquale Calabrese, Riccardo Travaglino.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Quasiparticle-picture explanation of Eq. ( [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Connected two point function vs t2 after a quench from the fermionic Néel state in the tight bind￾ing model for a subsystem of ℓA = 40 sites. Dashed lines represent [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: Connected 4-point function [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Deformation of charge lines at times nτ to vertical insertions of the dual charge Q˜A, which represent insertions of charge lines in the dual theory. The contribution of the initial state is trivial for symmetric initial states, hence Q0 is just a number, and all the relevant physics takes place at the boundaries of A. be approximated as F (n) A ({ti , βi}) ≈ iQ0 X i βi + X σ=± log Tr[˜ρste iσβ2Q˜ [τ,2τ] ]… view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Slope of the 2−FCS normalised by the term depending on t1 alone, in the XXZ chain with ∆ = 0.5. Here, β1 = π/4 and β2 = π/8, the total system size is L = 80 with ℓA = 40. The asymptotic value reached by sβ1,β2 , represented by the dashed line is precisely the slope of the single-time FCS obtained in [55]. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 t2 t1 1.6 1.8 2.0 2.2 2.4 2.6 Q A(t 2)Q A(t 1) c t1=8 t1=9 t1=10 t1=11 t1=12 [PIT… view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Connected 2-point function for a quench from [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Connected two-point function, for various values of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_7.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 8. Figure 8: Same as the previous figure, with larger values of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_8.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 9. Figure 9: Connected four point function ⟨Q2 A(t2)Q2 A(t1)⟩ c , in which the times are pairwise taken the same. System size is taken to be ℓA = 120 on the left and ℓA = 160 on the right: the small subleading correction to the asymptotic result is indeed washed away increasing system size and value of t1, as claimed in the main text. Trotter-Suzuki decomposition of the time evolution operator, U(δt) = L Y−1 i=1 e −ihj… view at source ↗
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Figure 10. Figure 10: Time dependence of sβ1,β2 for several values of t1 for a subsystem of size ℓA = 40. The plot on the left represents the choice of parameters β1 = π/4, β2 = π/4, while the second one β1 = π/8, β2 = π/4. Although the values at finite times differ, the two plots show that the asymptotic result obtained is the same, as would be expected since the two plots share the same value of β2 = π/4. 10 0 10 1 t2 t1 0.0… view at source ↗
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Figure 11. Figure 11: Time dependence of sβ1,β2 for several values of t1 for a subsystem of size ℓA = 40; the parameters are set to β1 = π/4, β2 = π/6 on the left, and to β1 = π/4, β2 = π/3 on the right. In this case, the two plots share the same value of β1, but the asymptotic value is different because of the difference in the values of β2 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p022_11.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 12. Figure 12: Time dependence of the connected two point function at a single time for two values of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p023_12.png] view at source ↗

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