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Post-training quantization can change how LLMs reason even when task accuracy is preserved.

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load-bearing objection The empirical scaffolding is real but the headline NF4 size-dependent Hollow Convergence claim collapses under the paper's own Table IV. the 2 major comments →

arxiv 2607.09999 v2 pith:LVJRIIB7 submitted 2026-07-10 cs.CL cs.LG

Silent Failures in Quantized LLM Reasoning: A Taxonomy-Based Analysis of Hollow Convergence and Failure Mode Shifts

Renuka Oladri , Mohan Vamsi Varadaraju Priya , Jerry Wu This is my paper
classification cs.CL cs.LG
keywords LLM quantizationchain-of-thoughtHollow ConvergenceNF4reasoning-failure taxonomyfailure-mode shiftsilent degradationLLM evaluation
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Quantization is widely treated as safe when accuracy stays flat. This paper argues that accuracy can remain flat while the reasoning process is silently degraded. It builds a six-category taxonomy of chain-of-thought failures, labels 30,000 outputs from five models at three precisions, and finds that 4-bit NF4 quantization lowers Hollow Convergence — correct answers resting on incomplete or unverifiable reasoning — sharply for the two smallest models tested while leaving larger models unchanged. It also reports that the dominant wrong-answer failure mode shifts from compounding errors to step-skipping, and that Hollow Convergence cannot be detected from surface text (best F1 = 0.53). If correct, accuracy-based evaluation is blind to a deployment-relevant class of silent degradation.

Core claim

The paper's central claim is that post-training quantization, specifically 4-bit NF4, does not merely add noise to LLM reasoning; it can change which failure modes occur. Using a validated six-category taxonomy and a two-pass LLM judge, the authors classify 30,000 chain-of-thought outputs across five instruction-tuned models, three precisions, and four reasoning benchmarks. Accuracy drops by at most 3.1 percentage points, yet Hollow Convergence falls significantly for the two smallest models under NF4 while remaining statistically invariant for models at 12B parameters and above. For wrong answers, NF4 flips the dominant failure mode: step-skipping (Shortcut Collapse) rises from 44% to 78% w

What carries the argument

The load-bearing instrument is a six-category reasoning-failure taxonomy — No Failure, Hollow Convergence, Premise Hijacking, Shortcut Collapse, Overcounting, and Confidence Snowballing. It is applied through a two-pass judge design: pass one separates correct answers into genuinely solved vs hollow; pass two diagnoses wrong answers by failure category. Human agreement of κ=0.906 validates the categories, and only a categorical scheme could expose a qualitative failure-mode shift that a scalar accuracy or faithfulness score would compress into nothing.

Load-bearing premise

The size-dependence claim rests on the assumption that parameter count, not model family, determines which models show the NF4 shift — an interpretation the paper asserts but its model lineup does not actually separate.

What would settle it

Quantize a 3B-parameter model from a different model family under identical NF4 conditions; if its Hollow Convergence rate stays flat while the other 3B model's rate drops sharply, the size-dependence claim fails because family identity, not size, predicts the shift.

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If this is right

  • Accuracy-only deployment checks will miss a real class of silent degradation, so process-level evaluation becomes necessary for small quantized models.
  • Reasoning-based verification tools keyed to one failure signature can become mismatched when 4-bit quantization flips the dominant failure mode.
  • Benchmark selection determines whether the effect is visible: explicitly arithmetic benchmarks are immune, while open-ended reasoning benchmarks best expose Hollow Convergence.
  • Because Hollow Convergence is not recoverable from surface text, runtime detection will require structural or process-level signals, not lexical classifiers.
  • The size-dependent pattern implies a capacity threshold below which 4-bit quantization alters reasoning, directly relevant to small-model edge deployment.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • If the shift generalizes to other 4-bit quantization methods that optimize weight rounding differently, process-aware evaluation should become a standard deployment gate rather than a research diagnostic.
  • The concentration of human disagreement at the Hollow Convergence/No-Failure boundary suggests 'enough derivation' is inherently subjective; operationalizing Hollow Convergence as a safety gate would require an explicit derivational threshold.
  • The collapse of Confidence Snowballing under NF4 may be proxied by chain-level statistics such as step count or self-correction rate, offering a cheap runtime signal that avoids full taxonomy annotation.
  • The size-dependence claim predicts a phase-transition-like boundary in model capacity; sweeping one model family across more sizes under NF4 would localize it and distinguish size from family effects.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

2 major / 5 minor

Summary. The paper proposes a six-category taxonomy for classifying chain-of-thought reasoning failures (Hollow Convergence, Premise Hijacking, Shortcut Collapse, Overcounting, Confidence Snowballing, No Failure), validates it with two human annotators (Cohen's kappa = 0.906, n = 300), and uses an LLM judge to label 30,000 outputs from five instruction-tuned models at three precisions (FP32, FP16, NF4) across four reasoning benchmarks. The authors report that accuracy is robust under quantization (max 3.1 pp drop), that Hollow Convergence exhibits a size-dependent shift under NF4, that the effect is benchmark-specific, that NF4 shifts wrong-answer failures from Confidence Snowballing to Shortcut Collapse, and that Hollow Convergence is not detectable from surface features (best F1 = 0.53). The paper claims these findings establish that quantization can silently change reasoning processes in ways invisible to accuracy metrics.

Significance. If the headline claims held, this would be a valuable contribution to LLM deployment verification: the taxonomy is human-validated on a stratified sample, the annotation effort is large, the negative surface-detection result is a useful falsifiable finding, and the accuracy-robustness result is consistent with prior work. The paper also has the unusual virtue of explicitly flagging its own low-confidence categories and methodological limitations. However, the central 'size-dependent NF4 shift' claim is contradicted by the paper's own Table IV, and the Confidence Snowballing collapse is presented in the abstract without the caveat that the manuscript itself attaches to it. These issues are load-bearing, so the current manuscript does not support its main conclusion.

major comments (2)
  1. [Section VI-B, Table IV, Abstract] The headline 'size-dependent NF4 shift' is not supported by the reported data. First, the text states that the two models with significant HC shifts are 'the two smallest (3B and 8B)', but Mistral-7B and Qwen2.5-7B are smaller than LLaMA 3.1-8B and both are reported as invariant. Model size and model family are confounded: both shifting models are LLaMA, all non-shifting models are not. Second, for LLaMA 3.1-8B the HC reduction occurs between FP32 (29.9%) and FP16 (13.8%); the FP16-to-NF4 change is 13.8% to 13.6%, so this model does not show an NF4-specific shift. Only LLaMA 3.2-3B drops at the NF4 transition. Third, Section XI describes the same observation as a 'size-dependent increase', contradicting the abstract's 'dropping sharply'. These are not stylistic discrepancies: a family-controlled or size-matched reanalysis is required before any size-dependence claim can be made.
  2. [Section VI-E, Section X, Abstract] The abstract and contribution list present the collapse of Confidence Snowballing (15.8% to near zero) as a confirmed 'qualitative shift invisible to accuracy metrics'. However, the paper's own cross-judge validation (Table II) reports 0.0% agreement for Confidence Snowballing, and Section VI-E explicitly states that this part of the finding 'should be treated as suggestive pending human annotation of a targeted subset'; Section X repeats this caveat. Since a headline result rests on a category with zero cross-judge reliability, the abstract must either carry the same caveat or the claim should be limited to the better-supported Shortcut Collapse rise (80.6% agreement) until targeted human validation is performed.
minor comments (5)
  1. [Table IV] The χ² values are not reproducible from the stated percentages and the stated N=2,000 per model-precision cell (e.g., Qwen2.5-7B: 15.9%, 10.6%, 10.6% should yield a much larger χ² than 1.43 under standard assumptions). The table should report the exact N per cell, the tested variable (HC rate vs. full category distribution), and the degrees of freedom.
  2. [Fig. 2 and Section VI-C] Figure 2's caption says FP32 vs. FP16, while Finding 3 and the text describe the HC shift under 'quantization' or NF4. The precision comparison should be stated consistently.
  3. [Section VIII] The 'viability threshold of 0.65' for HC detection is presented without justification. Since the threshold determines whether the F1=0.53 result is interpreted as failure, it needs a rationale (e.g., operational requirements for a deployment tool) or a sensitivity analysis around the threshold.
  4. [Sections IV–VII] The paper contains extended first-person retrospective passages ('We didn't start with six categories in mind', 'The honest reason we ran this is...') that are unusual for a formal journal article. They do not add methodological content and could be condensed or removed for clarity and professional tone.
  5. [Section IV-C] The judge prompt for Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct is not included. Given that the labels drive all subsequent results, the full prompt template should be provided in an appendix for reproducibility.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: the central empirical findings are measured, not derived from their definitions.

full rationale

The paper's derivation chain is empirical rather than definitional. The six-category taxonomy is defined independently of the quantization results; the HC labels come from an LLM judge complemented by human annotation (κ = 0.906), so the reported HC-rate changes under NF4 are measured outcomes, not consequences of how the categories are defined. The surface-detection experiment is also not circular: HC is defined structurally, but the F1 = 0.53 result is obtained by fitting classifiers on judge-assigned labels and does not bake in the conclusion; although the structural definition makes low lexical detection plausible, the experiment still tests it empirically. The paper's own 'size-dependent' claim is threatened by a confound—Mistral-7B and Qwen2.5-7B are smaller than LLaMA 3.1-8B and invariant, and the 8B HC drop occurs FP32-to-FP16 rather than at the NF4 transition—but that is a validity and reporting concern, not a circular reduction of the result to its inputs. The manuscript explicitly flags the LLM-judge circularity risk and attempts external human checks, and it flags the weak cross-judge agreement for Confidence Snowballing as a reliability limitation. There are no load-bearing self-citations or imported uniqueness theorems. Accordingly, no specific circular step can be exhibited, and the honest finding is no significant circularity.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

4 free parameters · 5 axioms · 3 invented entities

The paper's central measurement rests on its own taxonomy and judge apparatus (acknowledged circularity risk in §V-A), a hand-picked difficulty proxy, an arbitrary detection threshold, and the exclusion of INT8 runs; no adversarial external validation of the categories (e.g., a prediction) is provided beyond internal agreement statistics.

free parameters (4)
  • HC/No-Failure boundary threshold ('enough derivation')
    The taxonomy's only hard boundary is operationalized by the judge; all 21 human disagreements fall there (κ=0.723), so the threshold is a hand-set judgment.
  • Detection viability threshold = 0.65
    F1=0.65 chosen as 'viability threshold' in §VIII; no prior basis given.
  • GSM8K difficulty proxy = count of distinct numeric values
    §VI-D: adopted 'because we didn't have a cleaner measure available'; used to define easy/hard split.
  • INT8 exclusion rule
    §IV-A: 'INT8 runs are excluded due to convergence instability' — an unexplained exclusion that shapes the precision grid.
axioms (5)
  • domain assumption Llama-3.3-70B judge labels are reliable at scale for the six categories (two-pass design).
    §III/§V: validated on 300 human samples (κ=0.906) but cross-judge agreement is 0% for Confidence Snowballing and 7.7% for Overcounting; HC/No-Failure boundary carries all 21 human disagreements.
  • domain assumption Chain-of-thought text is treated as a readable trace of model reasoning.
    §II-B cites [5][6] showing CoT is not faithful to internal computation; §IX then claims 'internal computational pathways... substantially altered' from text evidence — an inferential leap.
  • domain assumption NF4 (BitsAndBytes) results are representative of post-training quantization.
    §X admits GPTQ/AWQ quantize differently; INT8 excluded due to 'convergence instability.'
  • standard math Chi-square independence assumptions and bootstrap CIs apply to the sampled outputs.
    §VI-Finding 2/3 use χ² and Cramér's V; greedy (temp=0) decoding makes outputs deterministic per prompt, so sampling-based inference is over questions, which is appropriate if the 2000-sample draw is per model-precision.
  • domain assumption Greedy decoding at temperature 0 is sufficient for quantized LLaMA-family models to produce representative CoT.
    §IV-C; excludes sampling noise but also excludes diversity of CoT, which could interact with HC measurement.
invented entities (3)
  • Hollow Convergence category no independent evidence
    purpose: central measured construct: correct answer with incomplete/unverifiable reasoning
    Defined by the authors and operationalized via the Llama-70B judge; internal validation only (κ=0.906; 82.2% cross-judge). No external dataset or falsifiable prediction.
  • Six-category failure taxonomy (HC, PH, SC, OC, CS, NF) no independent evidence
    purpose: instrument for classifying CoT failures at scale
    Categories re-label earlier faithfulness concepts (e.g., shortcuts in [6]); scores are used to generate the paper's findings, not to predict anything outside the paper.
  • Confidence Snowballing (as a measurable mode) no independent evidence
    purpose: third headline: its 'collapse' under NF4 is reported in the abstract
    0% cross-judge agreement; §X says the collapse is 'suggestive rather than confirmed.' No independent handle.

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We show that post-training quantization can silently alter how large language models reason even when task accuracy is preserved. Using a six-category failure taxonomy validated by two independent human annotators (Cohen's $\kappa$ = 0.906), we classify 30,000 chain-of-thought outputs from five instruction-tuned LLMs (3B--14B parameters) across three quantization precisions (FP32, FP16, NF4) and four reasoning benchmarks. We find that while accuracy is robust across precisions (maximum 3.1 pp drop), Hollow Convergence (correct answers reached through incomplete or unverifiable reasoning) shows a significant size-dependent shift under NF4, dropping sharply for the two smallest models tested but remaining invariant for models at 12B parameters and above. This effect is also benchmark-specific: GSM8K is categorically immune while LogiQA and ARC-Challenge show the largest shifts. Furthermore, under NF4, Shortcut Collapse rises from 44% to 78% of wrong-answer failures in LLaMA 3.2-3B while Confidence Snowballing collapses from 15.8% to near zero, a qualitative shift invisible to accuracy metrics. Finally, we show Hollow Convergence cannot be reliably detected from surface-level text features (best F1 = 0.53), establishing it as a deployment-relevant failure mode that standard evaluation pipelines cannot catch.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2607.09999 by Jerry Wu, Mohan Vamsi Varadaraju Priya, Renuka Oladri.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: HC rates by model and quantization precision. Asterisks (*) denote significant distributional shift (p < .0001). C. Finding 3: HC drop is benchmark specific [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_1.png] view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: shows HC rates per benchmark across models. GSM8K HC rates are uniformly near zero (0.4% to 2.6%) and do not shift under quantization, because GSM8K requires explicit arithmetic steps. LogiQA and ARC-Challenge exhibit the largest HC rates and the largest quantization￾induced drops [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: reveals a qualitative change in the wrong-answer failure distribution under NF4 for LLaMA models. For LLaMA 3.2-3B, Shortcut Collapse jumps from 44% (FP32) to 78% (NF4), while Confidence Snowballing collapses from 15.8% to 0.2%. NF4 reduces the model’s capacity for sustained step-by-step arithmetic chains. Because Confidence Snowballing requires a coherent multi-step chain in which an early error propagate… view at source ↗

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