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Dynamical black holes and expanding plasmas
High Energy Physics - Theory · Submitted 26 Feb 2009 · 31 references
Pith's verdict: Solid, honest paper: the exact conformal-soliton horizon is a genuinely useful example, but the entropy conclusion leans on a choice of entropy the paper never defends.
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The paper
The paper claims
For a plasma expanding in a time-dependent spacetime, the entropy is carried by the apparent horizon, not the event horizon.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing construction is the definition of the event horizon as the boundary of the causal past of the appropriate future null infinity, computed by tracing the null geodesic congruence that ends on a chosen boundary point. For the conformal soliton the congruence is labelled by the angular momentum parameter $l$ and the horizon is the surface $(r(λ,l), τ(λ,l), φ(λ,l))$; its induced metric is degenerate, as a null surface must be, and its cross-sections are cut off by a caustic line at $φ=π$ where the area integral $A = 2∫_0^{l_{max}} dl/(1-l^2) = 2$ artanh$l_{max}$ runs out. For the Bjorken flow the same logic reduces to a single ordinary differential equation $d r/dτ = r^2 a(r,τ)/2$ for radial null rays in the $(r,τ)$ plane, solved in a $τ^{-2/3}$ expansion. The apparent horizon is located by the vanishing of the invariant product $Θ = θ_+θ_-$ of the expansions of outgoing and ingoing null normals.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is that in strongly time-dependent holographic duals the field-theory entropy is captured by the apparent horizon, not the event horizon. The evidence is the conformal soliton: a global Schwarzschild-AdS black hole rewritten in Poincaré coordinates, which describes a finite lump of fluid that collapses and re-expands, and which is related to a static fluid on the Einstein static universe by a conformal transformation. Because the relevant infinity $I^+_{CS}$ is only a subregion of the global future null infinity, the true event horizon of the Poincaré patch lies outside the global horizon and its cross-sectional area diverges logarithmically at late Poincaré times. The apparent horizon, by contrast, coincides with the global BTZ event horizon at $r=r_+$ for any foliation admitting a complete slice of that horizon, so its area is finite and constant. Since the fluid is ideal and dissipation-free, its entropy must be constant, matching the apparent horizon and ruling out the event horizon. The paper also constructs the event horizon of the Bjorken-flow geometry order by order in $1/3$ powers of proper time and confirms it lies outside the apparent horizon at second order, establishing regularity of that spacetime.
Load-bearing premise
The argument assumes the relevant field-theory entropy is the total thermodynamic entropy of the fluid, which is conformally invariant and therefore constant for a shear-free flow, so that a diverging event-horizon area is automatically the wrong answer.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- In any holographic dual that does not relax to a stationary black hole, the event horizon area should not be used as the entropy; the quasi-local horizon is the correct object.
- The Bjorken-flow geometry is regular: its global event horizon can be constructed explicitly and cloaks the $r=0$ singularity, confirming the late-time expansion is trustworthy.
- For the conformal soliton, the apparent horizon coincides with the global BTZ horizon $r=r_+$ for any foliation that admits a complete slice of that horizon, so the entropy is constant as the ideal-fluid picture demands.
- The apparent horizon respects a second-law-type monotonicity of area under the energy conditions, so its pulled-back area form can serve as a local Boltzmann $H$-function on the boundary.
Reading between the lines
- If the Minkowski-patch observer's entropy were instead a patch-dependent entanglement entropy, the logarithmic growth of the event horizon area would be a physical effect rather than a disqualifying artifact, and the argument for preferring the apparent horizon would weaken; the paper itself points to the entanglement-entropy literature as the natural place to test this.
- The authors note that apparent horizons are foliation dependent and can jump discontinuously, so the prescription 'entropy equals apparent-horizon area' is only clean when the flow is slow enough that all slices ending on the same boundary time give nearly the same area; a sharp formulation probably needs a preferred bulk foliation, which the paper does not supply.
- The same diagnostic could be run on numerical far-from-equilibrium collapse geometries, where no exact dual is available: comparing event-horizon and apparent-horizon areas against a separately computed entropy would test whether the two track each other before local equilibrium is reached.
Original abstract
We analyse the global structure of time-dependent geometries dual to expanding plasmas, considering two examples: the boost invariant Bjorken flow, and the conformal soliton flow. While the geometry dual to the Bjorken flow is constructed in a perturbation expansion at late proper time, the conformal soliton flow has an exact dual (which corresponds to a Poincare patch of Schwarzschild-AdS). In particular, we discuss the position and area of event and apparent horizons in the two geometries. The conformal soliton geometry offers a sharp distinction between event and apparent horizon; whereas the area of the event horizon diverges, that of the apparent horizon stays finite and constant. This suggests that the entropy of the corresponding CFT state is related to the apparent horizon rather than the event horizon.
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The abstract, sentence by sentence
We analyse the global structure of time-dependent geometries dual to expanding plasmas, considering two examples: the boost invariant Bjorken flow, and the conformal soliton flow. While the geometry dual to the Bjorken flow is constructed in a perturbation expansion at late proper time, the conformal soliton flow has an exact dual (which corresponds to a Poincare patch of Schwarzschild-AdS). In particular, we discuss the position and area of event and apparent horizons in the two geometries. The conformal soliton geometry offers a sharp distinction between event and apparent horizon; whereas the area of the event horizon diverges, that of the apparent horizon stays finite and constant. This suggests that the entropy of the corresponding CFT state is related to the apparent horizon rather than the event horizon.
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| s0 | We analyse the global structure of time-dependent geometries dual to expanding plasmas, considering two examples: the boost invariant Bjorken flow, and the conformal soliton flow. | contribution 1.00 | 0.90 | 0.04 | asserted 0.94 |
| s1 | While the geometry dual to the Bjorken flow is constructed in a perturbation expansion at late proper time, the conformal soliton flow has an exact dual (which corresponds to a Poincare patch of Schwarzschild-AdS). | method 0.77 | 0.29 | 0.04 | asserted 1.00 |
| s2 | In particular, we discuss the position and area of event and apparent horizons in the two geometries. | contribution 0.98 | 0.80 | 0.04 | asserted 0.71 |
| s3 | The conformal soliton geometry offers a sharp distinction between event and apparent horizon; whereas the area of the event horizon diverges, that of the apparent horizon stays finite and constant. | result 1.00 | 0.83 | 0.31 | asserted 1.00 |
| s4 | This suggests that the entropy of the corresponding CFT state is related to the apparent horizon rather than the event horizon. | interpretation 1.00 | 0.59 | 0.68 | hedged possibility 1.00 |
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References
How later papers used it
62 later papers cite it
4 later papers by other authors are listed below: 4 used its method or tool.
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Followed this paper in associating the non-equilibrium entropy density of the expanding plasma at the cosmological boundary with the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy of the apparent horizon.
Expanding plasmas from Anti de Sitter black holes (2016) · 0.99 · paraphrased: the licence does not allow quoting
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Closely followed this paper.
Holographic Entanglement Entropy in Time Dependent Gauss-Bonnet Gravity (2015) · 0.92 · paraphrased: the licence does not allow quoting
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Introduced the apparent horizon for the backgrounds following this paper's notations.
Strong Subadditivity, Null Energy Condition and Charged Black Holes (2013) · 0.87 · paraphrased: the licence does not allow quoting
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Holographic Thermalization with Chemical Potential (2012) · 0.98 · paraphrased: the licence does not allow quoting
How the literature uses it
62 arXiv papers cite this in 106 sentences
Papers citing it · 76 sentences without a confident label
Uses its method or tool 8 papers
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A gravitational geometry [ref] has an apparent horizon located at $r=r_AH$, where [ref] [equation] Following [ref] we associate the non-equilibrium entropy density $s$ of the boundary QFT with the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy density of the apparent horizon [equation] Using the holographic background equations of motion [ref]-[ref] we find [equation] Following [ref] it is easy to prove that the entropy production rate as defined by [ref] is non-negative, [equation] in holographic dynamics governed by [ref]-[ref].
Ringing in de Sitter spacetime · Holographic gravitational dynamics · 0.81
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Having determined its location, we now follow [ref] and associate the non-equilibrium entropy density $s$ of the expanding plasma living at the cosmological boundary with the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy of the apparent horizon, namely [equation] From this it follows that, if $R_h=r_h/a$ is the only apparent horizon, then clearly [equation] i.e., there is no entropy production by the plasma during the dynamical process.
Expanding plasmas from Anti de Sitter black holes · Entropy production · 0.99
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A gravitational geometry [ref] has an apparent horizon located at $r=r_AH$, where [ref] [equation] Following [ref] we associate the non-equilibrium entropy density $s$ of the boundary QFT with the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy density of the apparent horizon [equation] with $a$ being the QFT background geometry scale factor [ref].
de Sitter Vacua of Strongly Interacting QFT · Holographic evolution of $=2^*$ gauge theory states in $dS_4$ · 0.88
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Our solution for the difference between the location and the entropy current of the event and apparent horizons is in agreement with the boost invariant Bjorken flow which was done in [ref] .
Relativistic Holographic Hydrodynamics from Black Hole Horizons · Temperature · 0.99
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We find strong similarity with the conclusions of [ref] .
The temperature and entropy of CFT on time-dependent backgrounds · Specific cases · 1.00
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Currently, there are several evidences that the latter will be more appropriate to define entropy [ref] .
Measuring Black Hole Formations by Entanglement Entropy via Coarse-Graining · An Entropy Puzzle about Time-dependent Holography · 0.97
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In fact, as argued e.g. in [ref] , one expects that entropy production is local in time, therefore, associating the far from equilibrium entropy to the area of a dynamic event horizon seems unnatural, since in such a context the event horizon can only be determined by knowing the entire future evolution of the black hole geometry and, consequently, it is a global rather than a local observable.
Holographic entropy production in a Bjorken expanding hot and dense strongly coupled quantum fluid · Introduction · 0.99
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The latter identification actually turns out to be more robust, as the example of conformal soliton flow [ref] suggests [ref] .
On the apparent horizon in fluid-gravity duality · Introduction · 0.98
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A simple analytic but non-stationary model [ref] of heat flow along horizons constructed by allowing a black string to fall through a Rindler horizon, as well as older models [ref] of localized particles and black holes falling across Rindler or Poincaré horizons.
Holographic thermal field theory on curved spacetimes · Flowing funnels and Hawking radiation · 0.89
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Emerging with the path-breaking studies [ref] , themselves motivated by the ideas of [ref] - [ref] , this duality has been since then successfully explored in a series of works [ref] - [ref] ; for a nice review and references see [ref] .
Phase diagram for non-axisymmetric plasma balls · Introduction · 0.98
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One of the simplest examples of a secretly static configuration which nevertheless provides an instructive toy model for a time-dependent scenario is given by the conformal soliton geometry originally introduced in [ref] , and then studied extensively in [ref] .
A holographic view on physics out of equilibrium · Mock time-dependence with evolving event horizon · 0.91
What it cites · 61 sentences without a confident label
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To translate the variation of the area into a statement of the boundary field theory entropy, we could consider pulling back the area element of the spatial sections of the horizon along radially ingoing null geodesics, as advocated in [ref] .
Local Fluid Dynamical Entropy from Gravity · Event horizon area & field theory entropy · 0.91
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We follow [ref] and describe a region in the bulk geometry of the d+1 spacetime in Poincaré coordinates, applying a specific coordinate transformation, one that transforms global d+1 into Poincaré AdS, to the black hole spacetime.
Expanding plasmas and quasinormal modes of anti-de Sitter black holes · The BTZ spacetime as a conformal soliton · 0.89
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Let us review the details of this construction: we will follow the conventions of [ref] (except for using $τ$ rather than $τ_+$ to denote the proper time coordinate).
A Holographic Dual of Bjorken Flow · The gravity dual to Bjorken flow · 0.81
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A curiosity at leading order: The location of the event horizon differs from the location of the apparent horizon derived in [ref] at second order in the expansion in $τ^-2/3$.
A Holographic Dual of Bjorken Flow · Event horizon for the BF spacetime · 0.97
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Again, the essential difference between the cases we consider here and [ref] is that in that general analysis, it was assumed that the geometry would settle down at late times to a stationary finite-temperature black hole.
Local Fluid Dynamical Entropy from Gravity · Introduction · 0.87
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This is different from the result of [ref] because working in Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates imposes regularity on the future event horizon in the bulk geometry, which is the physically correct condition.
On the supergravity description of boost invariant conformal plasma at strong coupling · The gravity dual to Bjorken flow · 0.83
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This point of view seems natural from studies of entanglement entropy in AdS/CFT [ref] and also in dynamical black hole spacetimes which are out of the hydrodynamic regime [ref] .
A Covariant Holographic Entanglement Entropy Proposal · Event horizon area & field theory entropy · 0.99
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This point of view seems natural from studies of entanglement entropy in AdS/CFT [ref] and also in dynamical black hole spacetimes which are out of the hydrodynamic regime [ref] .
Horizon formation and far-from-equilibrium isotropization in supersymmetric Yang-Mills plasma · Event horizon area & field theory entropy · 0.99
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For the metrics at higher orders, and a comprehensive discussion of the derivation, we refer the reader to [ref] .
A Holographic Dual of Bjorken Flow · The gravity dual to Bjorken flow · 0.89
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In [ref] , the authors also constructed the bulk geometry dual to the given fluid dynamical evolution using the AdS/CFT correspondence.[The gravity dual to Bjorken flow in 1+1 dimensions was discussed in [ref] .
Gauge/gravity duality and thermalization of a boost-invariant perfect fluid · The gravity dual to Bjorken flow · 0.80
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In [ref] , the authors also constructed the bulk geometry dual to the given fluid dynamical evolution using the AdS/CFT correspondence.[The gravity dual to Bjorken flow in 1+1 dimensions was discussed in [ref] .
Gravity dual of 1+1 dimensional Bjorken expansion · The gravity dual to Bjorken flow · 0.80
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