REVIEW 3 major objections 5 minor 1 cited by
Synthetic Document Question Answering in Hungarian
T0 review · 3 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-07 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read Vision-language models underperform on Hungarian document VQA by ~30% versus English, and finetuning on synthetic Hungarian data recovers 7.2% accuracy.
desk verdict Useful Hungarian DocVQA datasets, but the headline finetuning claim is not validated on human-verified data and should not be trusted as-is. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing component is the synthetic data generator: for each Hungarian PDF page, text is extracted twice with pytesseract OCR and PyMuPDF, and Llama 3.3 70B is prompted one-shot with a human-written Hungarian QA pair to produce four new QA pairs per image. Four heuristic filters then remove examples with too-short text, low question-text overlap, wrong language, or duplicate questions. The other essential piece is HuCCPDF, 113k Hungarian pages formatted as OCR-forcing tasks, which is what drives the finetuning gain when added to the SFT mixture.
What would settle it
Take a random sample of about 200 Hungarian PDF pages, have native speakers write QA pairs, and compare model scores on this manual set with scores on the synthetic test set; if the Pearson correlation falls well below the claimed 0.986 or the rank order of models changes, the equivalence claim fails. An independent human audit of the LLM judge's verdicts on a sample of responses would also test the accuracy numbers directly.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
On its own terms, the paper establishes that multilingual document VQA remains far behind English DocVQA: four leading VLMs score around 0.5–0.7 on Hungarian sets versus 0.8–0.96 on DocVQA. The central empirical result is that a scalable synthetic data pipeline can produce Hungarian document QA data that, when combined with Hungarian OCR data as a training signal, yields a +7.2% absolute accuracy improvement on the HuDocVQA test set for Llama 3.2 11B Instruct. The paper further claims that the synthetic test set is a faithful proxy for human annotation, based on a 0.986 Pearson correlation between model accuracies on HuDocVQA and HuDocVQA-manual.
Load-bearing premise
The 54-page human-verified set is treated as reliable ground truth for validating both the synthetic test set and the LLM-as-a-judge, despite its very small size.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- The same synthetic pipeline can be applied to other mid-resource languages with only a few human-written exemplars.
- Adding OCR transcription tasks to visual instruction tuning improves document VQA in the target language.
- Synthetic document VQA test sets can track human-annotated quality closely enough to replace manual benchmarks at scale.
- Public release of the datasets lets other teams train and evaluate Hungarian document VQA without collecting new data.
- The persistence of the Hungarian–English gap suggests current VLM multilingual OCR and layout understanding is far from saturated.
Reading between the lines
- The equivalence claim between synthetic and manual data rests on only 54 manual examples and four model pairs, so the correlation statistic is fragile; a larger manual set could change the conclusion.
- The LLM-as-a-judge is itself a Hungarian-competent model, so if the judge shares the tested models' weaknesses in Hungarian, part of the measured accuracy gap may be a measurement artifact.
- The OCR-task boost hints that a dedicated Hungarian OCR model, or more diverse layout data, may improve VQA further than the observed +7.2%.
- The pipeline filters out low-text pages, so performance on sparse or image-heavy Hungarian documents may be worse than the benchmark suggests.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper introduces three Hungarian document datasets derived from Common Crawl PDFs: HuDocVQA-manual (54 human-verified QA pairs), HuDocVQA (62k synthetic QA pairs generated by Llama 3.3 70B with heuristic filters), and HuCCPDF (113k pages of Hungarian PDF text/transcription). The authors benchmark several VLMs, reporting a roughly 30% accuracy drop on Hungarian document VQA relative to English DocVQA, and show that finetuning Llama 3.2 11B Instruct on a mixture including HuDocVQA and HuCCPDF OCR data improves accuracy on the synthetic HuDocVQA test set by +7.2% (0.332 to 0.404, Table 4), measured with an LLM-as-a-judge (Llama 3.1 405B). They claim the synthetic pipeline achieves human-level quality based on a model-level Pearson correlation of 0.986 across four models on the 54-example manual set.
Significance. If the claims hold, the paper offers a practical, scalable recipe for building document VQA datasets in a lower-resource language, and the released datasets (HuDocVQA, HuCCPDF) would be useful resources for Hungarian OCR and document understanding. The finding that strong VLMs degrade substantially on Hungarian document VQA is a clear, falsifiable observation. The authors also deserve credit for releasing datasets/code, for detailed filtering statistics, and for being transparent about hyperparameters and ablations.
major comments (3)
- [Sec. 3.1, Tables 3-4 and Sec. 7] The claim that HuDocVQA matches human-level quality (Sec. 3.1) rests on a Pearson correlation r=0.986 computed from only four model score pairs (n=4) between HuDocVQA-manual and HuDocVQA, and the central finetuning claim in Table 4 (+7.2%, from 0.332 to 0.404) is evaluated exclusively on the synthetic HuDocVQA test set with an LLM-as-a-judge. The 54-example manual set is never used to score the final finetuned models; the only manual-set finetuning result (Table 9) shows degradation from 0.481 to 0.426 on HuDocVQA-manual when training on filtered HuDocVQA. A model-level correlation across four models does not validate that the LLM judge tracks human correctness for finetuned models, and the single available human-verified signal points in the opposite direction of the headline gain. The authors should either evaluate the finetuned models on HuDocVQA-manual, or substantially temper the claim that the synthetic test set is interchangeable with human-annotated data for finetuning evaluation.
- [Table 4 and Sec. 10] All finetuning results in Table 4 are single runs without error bars, multiple seeds, or significance testing. Given that the reported differences include small margins (e.g., +1.9% between unfiltered and filtered HuDocVQA in Table 9, and the difference between 'SFT mixture' at 0.303 and baseline at 0.332 is itself a negative result), it is unclear whether the +7.2% gain is stable across training runs or could be within run-to-run variance. At minimum, the paper should report variance across seeds or provide a significance test; without this, the headline finetuning improvement is not fully substantiated.
- [Sec. 3.2, Tables 4 and 9, Sec. 7] The LLM-as-a-judge is validated only through selected examples in Figures 3-4 and through an n=4 model-level correlation; no measured agreement rate between Llama 3.1 405B and human judgments on the 54 manual items is reported. Because the +7.2% claim is entirely dependent on this judge, the paper should report judge-human agreement (e.g., Cohen's kappa or accuracy on HuDocVQA-manual) and ideally judge agreement on finetuned model outputs. The current validation is insufficient to rule out that the reported gains reflect the judge preferring outputs that match the synthetic generator's distribution rather than genuine document understanding.
minor comments (5)
- [Sec. 3.3] The text says 'In Tab. 4, we ablate the amount of OCR data' but the ablation of OCR data scale actually appears in Table 4 rows 'SFT + 21k OCR' and 'SFT + 105k OCR', which is fine, but the cross-reference in Sec. 12.1 to Table 9 as the filtering ablation is clear; however, the paper should ensure all table references in the main text match the described experiments exactly, as Sec. 3.3's phrasing is slightly confusing.
- [Table 5 caption] The percentages in Table 5 are relative to the input dataset to each filter, which is stated, but the presentation would be clearer if the absolute number of QA pairs before and after each filter were also shown, since the cumulative effect (from 93,933 to 62,022) is not directly derivable from the listed percentages.
- [Sec. 14] The HuCCPDF collection section states 'we processed 25 at a time on CPU nodes with 200GB memory' but it is unclear whether '25' refers to WARC files or batches; also 'we downloaded 22 million PDFs' and 'filtered out 38,000 Hungarian PDFs' is slightly ambiguous because 'filtered out' could mean 'retained after filtering' as implied by 'resulting in 113,091 pages after filtering'. Please clarify the wording.
- [Table 10 caption] The caption says 'Model Merging Ablation' but compares 'Final Checkpoint' vs 'Merged Checkpoint' without defining how many checkpoints are averaged; the body text in Sec. 13 says the last 3 checkpoints, which is only in the appendix. Consider moving this detail into the caption or the main text.
- [References [22]] The claim that Hungarian is 'approximately the 17th highest resource language on the internet' is cited, but no further breakdown or justification is given; please provide the exact ranking or a more precise citation to the relevant resource.
Circularity Check
The +7.2% finetuning gain is measured only on synthetic Llama-generated HuDocVQA test data with a Llama-family judge, while the human-verified benchmark is dropped after a 4-model correlation and the one human-verified finetuning result shows the opposite trend.
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self definitional
[Sec. 7 (LLM-as-a-Judge), with Sec. 2.2.1 and Table 4]
"All accuracy measurements on all datasets are measured with LLM-as-a-Judge [34], using Llama 3.1 405B Instruct as the judge. ... All accuracy numbers are computed with LLM-as-a-Judge."
The HuDocVQA test answers were generated by LLaMA 3.3 70B (Sec. 2.2.1), and the finetuning mixture includes HuDocVQA training data from the same generation pipeline. Scoring the finetuned model with Llama 3.1 405B on gold answers produced by a close relative of the same model family means the reported +7.2% gain measures agreement with the generator/judge family rather than with human-verified correctness. The human-verified set is not used to score the finetuned models.
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other
[Sec. 3.1]
"the scores have a Pearson coefficient of 0.986 and a p-value of 0.01, suggesting that our synthetic data pipeline achieves comparable quality as human annotation. Given these results, we track accuracy for the HuDocVQA test set only in subsequent experiments."
A model-level correlation on only four off-the-shelf VLMs is used as the license to drop the human-verified HuDocVQA-manual and treat the synthetic HuDocVQA test set as the sole benchmark. The finetuning data and the test data come from the same LLM generation pipeline, so the subsequent finetuning 'improvement' is partially self-referential. This is not confirmed by human labels: Table 9 shows that filtered HuDocVQA finetuning degrades HuDocVQA-manual accuracy from 0.481 to 0.426, the opposite of the headline trend.
full rationale
The paper is not wholly circular: it releases new datasets, compares against external DocVQA, and the finetuning improvement includes real OCR data from HuCCPDF. However, the central validation chain has a self-referential loop. HuDocVQA's gold answers are generated by LLaMA 3.3 70B, the judge is Llama 3.1 405B Instruct, and the finetuning data includes the same generator's outputs. The human-verified HuDocVQA-manual is used only for a coarse 4-model correlation (r=0.986, p=0.01) and then dropped; the only human-verified finetuning result, Table 9, shows degradation. Thus the headline +7.2% improvement is not anchored to human-verified correctness and may reflect distribution matching to the generator/judge family. This partial circularity warrants a score of 5.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (5)
- Text length filter threshold =
60 characters
- N-gram overlap threshold =
12% overlap at n=4
- FastText Hungarian probability threshold =
0.85
- Plaintext/Markdown word-count mismatch threshold =
50% difference
- Generation temperature =
0.7
assumptions (4)
- domain assumption LLM-as-a-judge with Llama 3.1 405B is a reliable proxy for human correctness judgments in Hungarian document QA.
- ad hoc to paper The 54-example HuDocVQA-manual set is representative of Hungarian document VQA.
- domain assumption fastText reliably identifies Hungarian PDFs at probability >= 0.85.
- domain assumption Common Crawl PDFs passing the filters are representative of Hungarian documents.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Synthetic Document Question Answering in Hungarian." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/YY5MUQ7N
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title = {Pith review of: Synthetic Document Question Answering in Hungarian},
year = {2026},
howpublished = {\url{https://pith.science/paper/YY5MUQ7N}},
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read the original abstract
Modern VLMs have achieved near-saturation accuracy in English document visual question-answering (VQA). However, this task remains challenging in lower resource languages due to a dearth of suitable training and evaluation data. In this paper we present scalable methods for curating such datasets by focusing on Hungarian, approximately the 17th highest resource language on the internet. Specifically, we present HuDocVQA and HuDocVQA-manual, document VQA datasets that modern VLMs significantly underperform on compared to English DocVQA. HuDocVQA-manual is a small manually curated dataset based on Hungarian documents from Common Crawl, while HuDocVQA is a larger synthetically generated VQA data set from the same source. We apply multiple rounds of quality filtering and deduplication to HuDocVQA in order to match human-level quality in this dataset. We also present HuCCPDF, a dataset of 117k pages from Hungarian Common Crawl PDFs along with their transcriptions, which can be used for training a model for Hungarian OCR. To validate the quality of our datasets, we show how finetuning on a mixture of these datasets can improve accuracy on HuDocVQA for Llama 3.2 11B Instruct by +7.2%. Our datasets and code will be released to the public to foster further research in multilingual DocVQA.
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ANLS vs LLM-as-a-Judge All accuracy measurements on all datasets are mea- sured with LLM-as-a-Judge [34], using Llama 3.1 405B Instruct as the judge. While ANLS serves as a fine metric for English DocVQA, in early exper- iments with HuDocVQA-manual that it often went 1 against...
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Kérdés:
Synthetic QA Generation Details and Prompt Format When generating questions and answers with Llama 3.3 70B Instruct, we apply the system prompt in Fig. 5. Then, after sampling a human- written input as a (text, question, answer) triple, we format a one-shot prompt as follows: ...
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HuDocVQA Filtering Ablation In Tab
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HuCCPDF Collection System De- tails Of the 3750 W ARC files in CC 2021-17 we pro- cessed, we processed 25 at a time on CPU nodes with 200GB memory, with each W ARC taking ap- proximately 1.5 hours. In total, we downloaded 22 million PDFs, and filtered out 38,000 Hungarian PDFs...
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05 of these regulations
számú almelléklete tartalmazza.Provisions regarding personal data are contained in sub-appendix no. 05 of these regulations. 5 Peak Learning Rate 1e-6 LR Schedule Cosine Decay LR Warmup Ratio 0.1 Batch Size 32 Epochs 1 Table 7. Finetuning Hyperparameters Dataset # Single- Imag...
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